asterisk users - Dec 2003 - New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.

As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be welcomed
with open arms.  First, you will find almost no
documentation on it's features.  Second, if you try to
ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to
worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'.  These worthless
documents can only be useful for explaining how things
work to those already in-the-know.  Lastly, Asterisk
is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation faults.
 With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect your
problems to be fixed anytime soon. 

RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk.

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There are many people on this list that are more than happy to help you with
a problem if you know how to ask the question.  But if you've tried to keep
up with this mailing list over any amount of time, you will see how quickly
it becomes frustrating when people ask the same questions over and over
again.  Hence being pointed to the how-to's and the wiki.  Do they answer
every question?  No.  But they cover the most frequently asked.  Do they
answer the question exactly like you'd hope?  Maybe not.  It requires some
thinking.  There are two things you need to remember here.  One, no one on
this list gets paid to help you or anyone else with your problems.  They do
so because they choose to.  Two, Asterisk is open source.  It doesn't cost
you a penny.  If you want "stable" and friendly
"ass-kissing" support
personnel, you need to look at a commercial solution.  

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: Me [mailto:two_shoes_2002@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 3:37 PM
To: Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.


As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be welcomed
with open arms.  First, you will find almost no
documentation on it's features.  Second, if you try to
ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to
worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'.  These worthless
documents can only be useful for explaining how things
work to those already in-the-know.  Lastly, Asterisk
is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation faults.
 With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect your
problems to be fixed anytime soon. 

RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk.

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Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003
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> As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be welcomed
> with open arms.  First, you will find almost no
> documentation on it's features.  Second, if you try to
> ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to
> worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'.  These worthless
> documents can only be useful for explaining how things
> work to those already in-the-know.  Lastly, Asterisk
> is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation faults.
>  With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect your
> problems to be fixed anytime soon.
>
> RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk.
No we aren't "anti-n00b"... Have you tried the IRC channel?  Its
usually
more helpful for the newcomers.  I have personally helped many people get
started with examples and other such things.  As far as asterisk
segfaulting you might have hardware problems... I recommend you join the
IRC channel and ask some questions.  But you also have to be prepaired to
read a little because we can't hold your hand thru it all just like with
any other open source software solution out there.  Asterisk is fairly
easy to understand once you see how it all fits together.

bkw

> As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be welcomed
> with open arms.  First, you will find almost no
> documentation on it's features.  Second, if you try to
> ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to
> worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'.  These worthless
> documents can only be useful for explaining how things
> work to those already in-the-know.  Lastly, Asterisk
> is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation faults.
>  With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect your
> problems to be fixed anytime soon.
Wow... I think this is our first troll...  Not much of one at that, either.

For the sake of the archives, newbies should be looking in the following 
areas:
1. the handbook.  www.asterisk.org/index.php?menu=support.  It's down under 
the google logo.
2. there are TONS of other resources on that page.  Use them.
3. IRC (also mentioned on that page): irc.freenode.net, #asterisk
4. this mailing list's ARCHIVES. 
http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/  you can search the 
archives by using google and including "site:lists.digium.com" in your
search.

The reason many of us here seem newbie-hostile is because we answer the SAME 
FREAKING BASIC QUESTIONS OVER AND OVER AND OVER.  Personally I blame 
asterisk.org's webmasters for not cleaning up that hideous documentation 
page and making it CLEAR where the handbook is and where other very common 
resources are, but nevertheless it gets very tedious to hear the same bitch 
and moans from people who wouldn't lift a finger to solve their own 
problems.

So yes, you in particular, should run from asterisk.  As a general rule no 
open source project tolerates people who refuse to try and help themselves 
first.

Regards,
Andrew

If you are a person who likes all things easy, and if you don't need to know
nothing to be better professional, well, run now, and let us continue our
journey. Who cares? People likes you don't help to our community.

Regards,

Gus

----- Original Message -----
From: "Me" <two_shoes_2002@yahoo.com>
To: <Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 5:37 PM
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.

> As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be welcomed
> with open arms.  First, you will find almost no
> documentation on it's features.  Second, if you try to
> ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to
> worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'.  These worthless
> documents can only be useful for explaining how things
> work to those already in-the-know.  Lastly, Asterisk
> is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation faults.
>  With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect your
> problems to be fixed anytime soon.
>
> RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk.
>
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> >  With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect your
> > problems to be fixed anytime soon. 
> > 
> > RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk.
...
> There are many people on this list that are more than happy 
> to help you with a problem if you know how to ask the 
> question.  But if you've tried to keep up with this mailing 
> list over any amount of time, you will see how quickly it 
> becomes frustrating when people ask the same questions over 
> and over again.  Hence being pointed to the how-to's and the 
> wiki.  Do they answer every question?  No.  But they cover 
> the most frequently asked.
I agree.  Lately there have been some harsh responses to common questions.
'Tis the season, as they say.  I've personally been able to do
everything I
wanted to do at home with Asterisk, and I've never once encountered a
segmentation fault or any real crash.  I have not found Asterisk to be
riddled with bugs, and I've seen that the project continues to improve
rapidly.

Initially I found everything I needed to setup a home Asterisk system by
Google searches, and reading the documentation that is available.  I must
state that when you decide to experiment with a project that is somewhat
bleeding edge you should expect to a lot of research on your own, and you
should start out with a decent amount of patience.

That being said, I must admit that the Asterisk-Users mailing list has been
very helpful and responsive to a couple of questions I have asked in the
past.  I am no Asterisk guru, but I believe I have a good handle on things,
and I learn more everyday by following this list.  If people make a
reasonable effort to find the easy answers and provide ample details when
asking the not-so-trivial questions then they will find this list, and the
greater Asterisk users community, is not such a terrible place after all.

--
Tony Kava
Network Administrator
Pottawattamie County, Iowa

Dear newbies,

    As a newcomer to woodworking, you will not be welcomed with open arms.
First, you will find no documentation on how to make your completely custom
ceiling-height cabinets perfectly the first time that your wife will
appreciate. Second, if you ask any woodworker for assistance, you will be
treated like a fool and your new cabinets will be set aflame and you will be
instructed to experiment with your tool and learn your craft. This worthless
waste of time will only develop you into a competent woodworker able to make
anything you wish. You should go to the furniture store or ask an already
competent person to take care of your cabinetry for you as you have neither
the desire or intelligence. Lastly, your raw material is so bug-ridden, all
your handiwork will prove fruitless. We should all leave it up to the
experts. With a carpentry community so anti-n00b, don't expect your
handbuilt cabinets to be fixed for free by other people with their own
problems who have graciously given their time and knowledge to the rest of
us. You might actually be expected to fix it yourself.

Here's the deal:
    Asterisk is free. If we go with * we will save $50k.
    It does almost anything. I can make it open my garage door. My
installation records all conversations and then archives them as timestamped
stereo MP3s. Our VB windows application can dial out with a click. All for
free.
    It's not done. We are not at v1.0. Mr Spencer is a busy guy.
    It might not solve 'your' problem. We contracted the
AgentCallbackLogin
Queue stuff. That part works great. If you want it modified or fixed, pay
for it or do it yourself.
    If you change your own oil, do your own plumbing, have more that 3
computers at home, or have SETI@home running, you are either a
do-it-yourselfer or a geek. Asterisk might be for you. On the other hand, if
you can't change a lightbulb or don't know what a dipstick is and have
lots
of money, then pay someone for a phone system.

But please stop whining. I have 3 kids. Gettin' tired of it.

Good day.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Me" <two_shoes_2002@yahoo.com>
To: <Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 2:37 PM
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.

> As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be welcomed
> with open arms.  First, you will find almost no
> documentation on it's features.  Second, if you try to
> ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to
> worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'.  These worthless
> documents can only be useful for explaining how things
> work to those already in-the-know.  Lastly, Asterisk
> is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation faults.
>  With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect your
> problems to be fixed anytime soon.
>
> RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk.
>
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As a new asterisk user myself, I would agree with you that the learning 
curve is steep, but that was my expectation coming into this. I took 
the time to browse the list archives before signing up so no surprises 
there. There are some real experts here and they obviously help those 
who ask interesting questions that aren't answered elsewhere. I would 
agree that this list would be better without the retarded flame wars, 
and furthermore, trolls the likes of you.

If you don't want to read the information that's available, or if what 
you expect is total hand-holding - someone else to install and 
configure your phone system for you, then asterisk is a great choice 
but you need to hire someone to do that. Or you can go with a 
commercial phone system and pay thousands for a basic system with 
1/10th the features.

Regarding the stability problem you're having - clearly that's not the 
norm. I wouldn't suggest that anyone "expect" that behavior.  I 
certainly haven't seen any crashes.

On Dec 31, 2003, at 12:37 PM, Me wrote:
> As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be welcomed
> with open arms.  First, you will find almost no
> documentation on it's features.  Second, if you try to
> ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to
> worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'.  These worthless
> documents can only be useful for explaining how things
> work to those already in-the-know.  Lastly, Asterisk
> is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation faults.
>  With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect your
> problems to be fixed anytime soon.
>
> RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk.
>
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Hello,

I am not a veteran here, but would like to share my thoughts on this
subject.

True, * is opensource and freely available, but it is not a computer program
that you download and run. It is a very versatile telecommunication product
you would otherwise pay at least 100 K to buy from a telecom vendor, if not
more based on modules and usage, license hash-codes etc.

Even to try * one would need some pre requisite knowledge in telecom, if not
many years in the field. I work for a large telecom company and my specialty
is voice over broadband (or xDSL). I worked with asterisk for couple of
months now and I am amazed to see areas of telecom that * touch upon with.
Starting from Linux, to SIP, H323, DSL technologies (PPP, PPPoE, PPPoA,
DHCP, NAT), Call routing(Dial Plan), IVR, Transcoding, STUN are few areas
that one would have to master even thinking about *.

True one would know the syntax, and howtos etc, but also would have to have
the ability to troubleshoot. For last two-three months in this list, I have
not seen any newbi posting a sip trace (from a ethereal or a TCP dump) and
asking a question about it. I have seen many question for instance, asking
syntax of h.323 dial, but never seen a question asked on a h323 trace.

I think, having * openly available is like keeping an airplane openly
available in a airfield, so that anybody can try flying. Tell me how many of
us would go try and fly that airplane if we do not know how to fly :)

Point that I want to make here is simple, please try to understand what * is
all about. If you like it's features and would like it to run in a
production environment try to get some professional help. If you are
learning these technologies for fun then get educated, use tools available
to troubleshoot. Hooking up couple of phones and making a call is far from
knowing *.

Asterisk is a great product (thanks Mark and many others) and if you know
what you are doing, you can do wonders with it. Don't put it down, because
you do not have the background to understand it or work with it.

Cheers

SW



Message: 4
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:37:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Me <two_shoes_2002@yahoo.com>
To: Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk?  RUN... don't walk.
Reply-To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com

As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be welcomed
with open arms.  First, you will find almost no
documentation on it's features.  Second, if you try to
ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to
worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'.  These worthless
documents can only be useful for explaining how things
work to those already in-the-know.  Lastly, Asterisk
is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation faults.
 With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect your
problems to be fixed anytime soon.

RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk.

Me wrote:
> As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be welcomed
> with open arms.  First, you will find almost no
> documentation on it's features.  Second, if you try to
> ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to
> worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'.  These worthless
> documents can only be useful for explaining how things
> work to those already in-the-know.  Lastly, Asterisk
> is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation faults.
>  With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect your
> problems to be fixed anytime soon. 
> 
> RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk.
> 
Hmmmm!  I:
0) Was a Newbie
1) Had no (or little) Linux experience.
2) Found * with Google
3) Read
4) Read
5) Read
6) Installed  and got * running
7) Read, Read, Read
8) Bought, installed, set up channel bank
9) Asked my first real question of the list - was happy with reply
10) Read, Read, Read
11) Bought, installed, set up 20 SIP Phones
12) Read, Read, Read
13) Very happy with result.

Is there a message here?  I'm not brilliant, not a linux/asterisk guru. 
Just patient, determined and willing to try a lot of stuff so that I 
know what to ask and when.  Do I have any advice? Yes: Read, Read, Read. 
  It really does work - and by the way, so does asterisk.  Since July of 
this year I have never had a seg fault, never had asterisk freeze or 
crash, and since I've gone fully online in September, there has not been 
a single problem related to asterisk.  And while the documentation is, 
well, scattered, it is nevertheless out there.  And, for what it's 
worth, if you ask a question about the more arcane, poorly documented 
stuff, no matter how dumb (well, almost), you will never get flamed.

Finally, I rather prefer taking a few lumps from the * community than 
having the experience I had with our local Cisco people, who took so 
long to call back with information about their products (which when it 
finally arrived, was wrong anyway - I found the correct information on 
the * list!), that in the meantime I had discovered *, bought my 
hardware and set up a functioning system.

So - Shutup, take your lumps and do your homework.

i second it.

i had no previous experience with any telecom
equipment or even the lingo. I
didnt know what channel meant in telecom world. i
started with the *
handbook and did a lot of googling, searched the
archives. Search, search
and search. There is lot of info here. i am happy to
say that i hv my * up
and running.

* is a great product and Hats off to the team. Keep up
the good work.
-B

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Josh Roberson" <twisted@indigent.sytes.net>
To: <asterisk-users@lists.digium.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 6:17 PM
Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN...
don't walk.

> Well, since everyone else is top-quoting on this
message, so will I :P
>
> I'm no veteran either.  As a matter of fact, I have
had ZERO prior
> knowledge to the telcom industry or more than 'user
level' experience
> with telecommunications in general.  I decided that
I wanted to expand
> my knowledge, and actually LEARN a few things, so I
jumped into
> asterisk.  I was, and quite frankly, IMO, still AM a
'n00b' to *.
> However, after playing around, and learning what
things do, by reading
> the documentation that IS there, searching the
archives, and just
> trolling the list and IRC, I have learned more in
the last 4-5 months of
> having * than a lot of people I've noticed have
learned in a lifetime of
> experience.    I now have a fully functional (well,
minus MOH, because
> mpg123 isn't yet compiled on my new box), *
implementation, serving
> myself and my roommates strictly over VoIP, and a
couple ata's and a
> Internet PhoneJack card.  I love it.  And I'm STILL
learning to this
> date.
>
> Asterisk is not something you can expect everyone to
just drop what
> their doing and help you with.  Sure, it can be
frustrating, but if you
> are so dense that you can't sit down an play with it
and learn what
> happens when you type something in the cli, or
change a few things in
> your dialplan, then get out, I agree.
>
> If you liked taking apart mom's hairdryer as a kid
and seeing how it
> worked, and then later on, rewired up a few things
to do what you wanted
> them to, or even took a hex editor to command.com in
msdos to change
> what it says to suit your taste (mucho guilty on
that one.. lol), then
> you will have no problem finding out what you can
and can't change
> simply by editing files, and trying things out.
>
> Take off your training wheels, and just TRY IT.
>
> - Josh R.
> twisted@indigent.sytes.net
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: asterisk-users-admin@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-
> > admin@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of SW
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 4:13 PM
> > To: Asterisk-Users@Lists. Digium. Com
> > Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN...
don't walk.
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am not a veteran here, but would like to share
my thoughts on this
> > subject.
> >
> > True, * is opensource and freely available, but it
is not a computer
> > program
> > that you download and run. It is a very versatile
telecommunication
> > product
> > you would otherwise pay at least 100 K to buy from
a telecom vendor,
> if
> > not
> > more based on modules and usage, license
hash-codes etc.
> >
> > Even to try * one would need some pre requisite
knowledge in telecom,
> if
> > not
> > many years in the field. I work for a large
telecom company and my
> > specialty
> > is voice over broadband (or xDSL). I worked with
asterisk for couple
> of
> > months now and I am amazed to see areas of telecom
that * touch upon
> with.
> > Starting from Linux, to SIP, H323, DSL
technologies (PPP, PPPoE,
> PPPoA,
> > DHCP, NAT), Call routing(Dial Plan), IVR,
Transcoding, STUN are few
> areas
> > that one would have to master even thinking about
*.
> >
> > True one would know the syntax, and howtos etc,
but also would have to
> > have
> > the ability to troubleshoot. For last two-three
months in this list, I
> > have
> > not seen any newbi posting a sip trace (from a
ethereal or a TCP dump)
> and
> > asking a question about it. I have seen many
question for instance,
> asking
> > syntax of h.323 dial, but never seen a question
asked on a h323 trace.
> >
> > I think, having * openly available is like keeping
an airplane openly
> > available in a airfield, so that anybody can try
flying. Tell me how
> many
> > of
> > us would go try and fly that airplane if we do not
know how to fly :)
> >
> > Point that I want to make here is simple, please
try to understand
> what *
> > is
> > all about. If you like it's features and would
like it to run in a
> > production environment try to get some
professional help. If you are
> > learning these technologies for fun then get
educated, use tools
> available
> > to troubleshoot. Hooking up couple of phones and
making a call is far
> from
> > knowing *.
> >
> > Asterisk is a great product (thanks Mark and many
others) and if you
> know
> > what you are doing, you can do wonders with it.
Don't put it down,
> because
> > you do not have the background to understand it or
work with it.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > SW
> >
> >
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:37:24 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Me <two_shoes_2002@yahoo.com>
> > To: Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com
> > Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk?  RUN...
don't walk.
> > Reply-To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
> >
> > As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be
welcomed
> > with open arms.  First, you will find almost no
> > documentation on it's features.  Second, if you
try to
> > ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to
> > worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'.  These worthless
> > documents can only be useful for explaining how
things
> > work to those already in-the-know.  Lastly,
Asterisk
> > is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation
faults.
> >  With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect
your
> > problems to be fixed anytime soon.
> >
> > RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk.
> >
> >
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Excellent!!! Well Said, JR...
>From: "JR Richardson" <jr.richardson@cox.net>
>Reply-To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
>To: <asterisk-users@lists.digium.com>
>Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk?  RUN... don't walk.
>Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 10:11:36 -0600
>
>Piping in 2 cents,
>
>This is a great example of the Internet, Fast Food generation, showing 
>their
>appreciation for all the magic that happens in the labs, hearts and minds 
>of
>the courageous, hard working, dedicated and motivated group of people truly
>interested and guided to accomplish greatness.
>
>This platform for learning is one of the best tools in existence to come to
>a finite understanding of VoIP and legacy telephony with the versatility to
>expand beyond and develop originality in the field of telecommunications
>excellence, product development.  Learn it, understand it, appreciate it,
>then take it past where you found it and if you're capable contribute,
if
>not, enjoy it.  But always, always maintain respect for those who created 
>it
>and continue to refine it.
>
>Learning is intrinsically human, and in this world of Industry ("There
is
>no
>substitution for knowledge." [Edward Deming]).  Find your inner child,
>re-capture and embrace what God has given you, the ability to learn.  It
>will require you to put down the remote control, get off the couch and
>decrease your apparently frequent visits to McDonalds.  Search and find the
>knowledge which you seek to ultimately fulfill your destiny; build an
>Asterisk Server that works.
>
>Hell, we all did.
>
>JR
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:37:24 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Me <two_shoes_2002@yahoo.com>
> > To: Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com
> > Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk?  RUN... don't walk.
> > Reply-To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
> >
> > As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be welcomed
> > with open arms.  First, you will find almost no
> > documentation on it's features.  Second, if you try to
> > ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to
> > worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'.  These worthless
> > documents can only be useful for explaining how things
> > work to those already in-the-know.  Lastly, Asterisk
> > is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation faults.
> >  With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect your
> > problems to be fixed anytime soon.
> >
> > RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk.
> >
>
>
>
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What about you drop your beer, stand up from your couch (if your fat
belly allows you to), turn off the damn TV and try to learn some basic
"C" programming. Then maybe you can help us in solving those
"frequent
segmentation faults"  (if any).


-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-users-admin@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-admin@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Me
Sent: quarta-feira, 31 de dezembro de 2003 17:37
To: Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.


As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be welcomed
with open arms.  First, you will find almost no
documentation on it's features.  Second, if you try to
ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to
worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'.  These worthless
documents can only be useful for explaining how things
work to those already in-the-know.  Lastly, Asterisk
is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation faults.
 With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect your
problems to be fixed anytime soon. 

RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk.

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> I now stand by my original post with
> more conviction than ever.
> There were a lot of insightful replies.  However, none
> of them were able to address the real problems of the
> asterisk community and come up with solutions.  If you
> can't see your own faults, you are in for a bumpy
> ride.
How does the saying go? "If you're not part of the solution, ...."

As one who >is< new to Asterisk, I am happy that I did not heed your
suggestion to "RUN". The sources of information you deem
"worthless"
have proven quite helpful to me in (so far) setting up my Asterisk
server, getting SIP phones talking through it, using voicemail, and
amazingly- all this without a single segmentation fault! :-P 

Your complaints about the Asterisk Community remind me very much of
complaints often made about the Linux Community. Judging an entire
community (and even quality of the software) based on the actions of a
few people is a big mistake.

-Justin

You know what is strange?  Both your original email to this list and the
entry in Brian's blog originated from the same IP (24.10.200.168), which
just happens to be a Comcast Cable Internet address in Utah.  Can IP's
be spoofed?  Sure.  I highly doubt it in this case.  So before you go
back-stroking, please remember that there are people around that have
the intelligence to do their homework, whether it be a technical
question with Asterisk or doing some "digital forensic" work.

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: Me [mailto:two_shoes_2002@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 3:13 PM
To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.


Mr. West,

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is not me.  My
name is Barbara Simpson.  Either you are lying or
someone is trying to remove any credibility from my
original post.  I now stand by my original post with
more conviction than ever.

There were a lot of insightful replies.  However, none
of them were able to address the real problems of the
asterisk community and come up with solutions.  If you
can't see your own faults, you are in for a bumpy
ride.

Barbara Simpson
Qwest Voice Over Packet Services

--- Brian West <brian@bkw.org> wrote:
> You said it good.... Look what this person posted to
> my blog... Now thats
> what I call grown up.
> 
> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 10:10:24 -0600
> From: two_shoes_2002@yahoo.com
> To: brian@bkw.org
> 
> IP Address: 24.10.200.168
> Name: Jeff Sowery
> Email Address: two_shoes_2002@yahoo.com
> URL:
> 
> Comments:
> 
> You're a complete idiot.  Grow a brain or at least
> some balls.
> 
> -Jeff
> 
> 
> NEXT!!!
> 
> bkw
> 
> 
> On Thu, 1 Jan 2004, JR Richardson wrote:
> 
> > Piping in 2 cents,
> >
> > This is a great example of the Internet, Fast Food
> generation, showing their
> > appreciation for all the magic that happens in the
> labs, hearts and minds of
> > the courageous, hard working, dedicated and
> motivated group of people truly
> > interested and guided to accomplish greatness.
> >
> > This platform for learning is one of the best
> tools in existence to come to
> > a finite understanding of VoIP and legacy
> telephony with the versatility to
> > expand beyond and develop originality in the field
> of telecommunications
> > excellence, product development.  Learn it,
> understand it, appreciate it,
> > then take it past where you found it and if you're
> capable contribute, if
> > not, enjoy it.  But always, always maintain
> respect for those who created it
> > and continue to refine it.
> >
> > Learning is intrinsically human, and in this world
> of Industry ("There is no
> > substitution for knowledge." [Edward Deming]).
> Find your inner child,
> > re-capture and embrace what God has given you, the
> ability to learn.  It
> > will require you to put down the remote control,
> get off the couch and
> > decrease your apparently frequent visits to
> McDonalds.  Search and find the
> > knowledge which you seek to ultimately fulfill
> your destiny; build an
> > Asterisk Server that works.
> >
> > Hell, we all did.
> >
> > JR
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:37:24 -0800 (PST)
> > > From: Me <two_shoes_2002@yahoo.com>
> > > To: Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com
> > > Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk?
> RUN... don't walk.
> > > Reply-To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
> > >
> > > As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be
> welcomed
> > > with open arms.  First, you will find almost no documentation on 
> > > it's features.  Second, if you
> try to
> > > ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to worthless
how-tos
> > > and 'the wiki'.  These
> worthless
> > > documents can only be useful for explaining how
> things
> > > work to those already in-the-know.  Lastly,
> Asterisk
> > > is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation
> faults.
> > >  With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect
> your
> > > problems to be fixed anytime soon.
> > >
> > > RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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