brian i hate to do this but you miss something..... The little ata286, well people hear ECHO when they talk to me they hear small echo with the ata in use the caller id works 75% of the times maybe a little less with the lastest firmware calls get drop with no reason after some time, hopefully they can give out information for this IAX firmware Miguel Cavazos On Wed, 2003-12-24 at 05:43, Brian West wrote:> Today class we are going to be talking about the wonderful line of > GrandStream products. Or should I say BarbieTone phones? > > Who else is having MAJOR issues with the grandstream products? > > How many times have you been told upgrade upgrade upgrade? > > How many of you have paperweights, granted the phone is light as a feather > and couldn't weight papers down in the first place? > > How about that ring tone, really dandy eh? > > Who else is irked about the the GAPS crap? It should slurp down > cfgMACADDRESS.txt and we shouldn't have to pay more for that option. > > Have you had Message Waiting Indicator issues? > > Have you had issues with the Hold button and flash button? > > Have you had issues with sip transfers? > > Has the grandstream product line made you want to hurt someone? > > Care for some matches and lighter fluid? > > Was the response from grandstream support able to take care of your > problems? > > I own a grandstream phone and I guess I just don't use it enought to see > alot of these problems but the consensus on #asterisk is they are CRAP and > everyone should stop buying them till they get their act together. > > A few people in the asterisk community have offered to write IAX firmware > for the phones but grandstream has give them the run around. If they > can't create stable and usable firmware they should atleast let the info > out to let someone write IAX firmware for the damn thing. > > BOYCOTT GRANDSTREAM > > Thanks, > bkw_ > > PS: then again you get what you pay for, 10 dollar phone with a 65 dollar > pricetag. > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Today class we are going to be talking about the wonderful line of GrandStream products. Or should I say BarbieTone phones? Who else is having MAJOR issues with the grandstream products? How many times have you been told upgrade upgrade upgrade? How many of you have paperweights, granted the phone is light as a feather and couldn't weight papers down in the first place? How about that ring tone, really dandy eh? Who else is irked about the the GAPS crap? It should slurp down cfgMACADDRESS.txt and we shouldn't have to pay more for that option. Have you had Message Waiting Indicator issues? Have you had issues with the Hold button and flash button? Have you had issues with sip transfers? Has the grandstream product line made you want to hurt someone? Care for some matches and lighter fluid? Was the response from grandstream support able to take care of your problems? I own a grandstream phone and I guess I just don't use it enought to see alot of these problems but the consensus on #asterisk is they are CRAP and everyone should stop buying them till they get their act together. A few people in the asterisk community have offered to write IAX firmware for the phones but grandstream has give them the run around. If they can't create stable and usable firmware they should atleast let the info out to let someone write IAX firmware for the damn thing. BOYCOTT GRANDSTREAM Thanks, bkw_ PS: then again you get what you pay for, 10 dollar phone with a 65 dollar pricetag.
I have to say that Grandstream phones are REALLY GREAT products for the price of ~ $65 !!! Lubo Brian West wrote:> Today class we are going to be talking about the wonderful line of > GrandStream products. Or should I say BarbieTone phones? > > Who else is having MAJOR issues with the grandstream products? > > How many times have you been told upgrade upgrade upgrade? > > How many of you have paperweights, granted the phone is light as a feather > and couldn't weight papers down in the first place? > > How about that ring tone, really dandy eh? > > Who else is irked about the the GAPS crap? It should slurp down > cfgMACADDRESS.txt and we shouldn't have to pay more for that option. > > Have you had Message Waiting Indicator issues? > > Have you had issues with the Hold button and flash button? > > Have you had issues with sip transfers? > > Has the grandstream product line made you want to hurt someone? > > Care for some matches and lighter fluid? > > Was the response from grandstream support able to take care of your > problems? > > I own a grandstream phone and I guess I just don't use it enought to see > alot of these problems but the consensus on #asterisk is they are CRAP and > everyone should stop buying them till they get their act together. > > A few people in the asterisk community have offered to write IAX firmware > for the phones but grandstream has give them the run around. If they > can't create stable and usable firmware they should atleast let the info > out to let someone write IAX firmware for the damn thing. > > BOYCOTT GRANDSTREAM > > Thanks, > bkw_ > > PS: then again you get what you pay for, 10 dollar phone with a 65 dollar > pricetag. > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >
When they work they might be all that.. but it seems alot of people have problems with them. Not exactly sure why. On Wed, 24 Dec 2003, Lubomir Christov wrote:> > I have to say that Grandstream phones are REALLY GREAT products for the > price of ~ $65 !!! > > Lubo >
Brian West wrote:> > Have you had issues with the Hold button and flash button?The MUTE button is my biggest concern. Its CRITICAL for that to work in a callcenter enviroment!
Yes, I know that the Grandstream firmware have problems (I have here 15 phones with some beta version already installed :( and waiting for bug fixing in the new beta) but the stable version 1.0.3.81 is working just perfect. Lubo Brian West wrote:> When they work they might be all that.. but it seems alot of people have > problems with them. Not exactly sure why. > > On Wed, 24 Dec 2003, Lubomir Christov wrote: > > >>I have to say that Grandstream phones are REALLY GREAT products for the >> price of ~ $65 !!! >> >>Lubo >> > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >
I have about a dozen Budgetone 101s and I'm pretty much satisfied with them. Sorry, Brian; they've got some rough edges, but they're $65, for God's sake. B.
From: Brian West <brian@bkw.org> To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Quality Survey.... :P Reply-To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com ... I have 2 of these phones and they work fine for my application. Granted its not the most intensive use and definatly not the most critical users but... With all of the companies that are running into cash problems in the next year I think that the demands for systems that do everything including make coffee will decrease. Basic functionality will take the place of complicated functionality. Granted GS needs to be more responsive but if they are going to maintain a low price level we need to be a bit understanding about the responses.... If GS phones don't meet your needs then by all means spend more money on some of the other brands. For some of us, GS does meet the requirements and we will continue to use them. Robert
I just loaded the b13p4.30.zip firmware and now I am not able to log into the GS admin interface.. anyone else having this problem? Going to try the next older version.. Later.. mikeu wrote:>http://www.grandstream.com/TEMP/FIRMWARE/ > >-----Original Message----- >From: asterisk-users-admin@lists.digium.com >[mailto:asterisk-users-admin@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of David J Carter >Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 7:36 AM >To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com >Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Quality Survey.... :P > >Hi Tan, > >Can you supply us with 1.0.4.26 firmware? > >Regards > >Dave > >-----Original Message----- >From: asterisk-users-admin@lists.digium.com >[mailto:asterisk-users-admin@lists.digium.com]On Behalf Of >tan@yointernet.com >Sent: 24 December 2003 12:53 >To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com >Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Quality Survey.... :P > >For the price, the Grandstream is unbeatable value for money. > >Get firmware version 1.04.26 and you should be fine. This firmware fixes >issues our customers had with phone lockups, nat problems, one-way >audio, stun problems. > >Best Wishes >Tan >www.telappliant.com >www.voiptalk.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >Asterisk-Users mailing list >Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > >
I have 6 broken Grandstreams- out of an order of 8. After having tested over a dozen IP phone products, I found that Grandstream was the worst choice of the group. I would never recommend that anyone buys this product unless they are using it for non-essential use. To put it simply: Grandstream phones are complete crap. -GSR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian West" <brian@bkw.org> To: <asterisk-users@lists.digium.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 6:43 AM Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Quality Survey.... :P> Today class we are going to be talking about the wonderful line of > GrandStream products. Or should I say BarbieTone phones? > > Who else is having MAJOR issues with the grandstream products? > > How many times have you been told upgrade upgrade upgrade? > > How many of you have paperweights, granted the phone is light as a feather > and couldn't weight papers down in the first place? > > How about that ring tone, really dandy eh? > > Who else is irked about the the GAPS crap? It should slurp down > cfgMACADDRESS.txt and we shouldn't have to pay more for that option. > > Have you had Message Waiting Indicator issues? > > Have you had issues with the Hold button and flash button? > > Have you had issues with sip transfers? > > Has the grandstream product line made you want to hurt someone? > > Care for some matches and lighter fluid? > > Was the response from grandstream support able to take care of your > problems? > > I own a grandstream phone and I guess I just don't use it enought to see > alot of these problems but the consensus on #asterisk is they are CRAP and > everyone should stop buying them till they get their act together. > > A few people in the asterisk community have offered to write IAX firmware > for the phones but grandstream has give them the run around. If they > can't create stable and usable firmware they should atleast let the info > out to let someone write IAX firmware for the damn thing. > > BOYCOTT GRANDSTREAM > > Thanks, > bkw_ > > PS: then again you get what you pay for, 10 dollar phone with a 65 dollar > pricetag. > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >
On Wed, 2003-12-24 at 15:50, WipeOut wrote:> I just loaded the b13p4.30.zip firmware and now I am not able to log > into the GS admin interface.. anyone else having this problem?Yep been there. Panicked, rebooted the phone and it responded as normal. I just tried it again because of your question and had to reboot again to get in. -- Dave Cotton <dcotton@linuxautrement.com>
Yes when you upgrade to beta code you may have to reboot 3 times for the phone to function properly. Then cross your fingers that the phone will accually register with * once you do that. bkw On Wed, 24 Dec 2003, Dave Cotton wrote:> On Wed, 2003-12-24 at 15:50, WipeOut wrote: > > I just loaded the b13p4.30.zip firmware and now I am not able to log > > into the GS admin interface.. anyone else having this problem? > > Yep been there. Panicked, rebooted the phone and it responded as > normal. I just tried it again because of your question and had to > reboot again to get in. > > -- > Dave Cotton <dcotton@linuxautrement.com> > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >
>> Message: 11 > From: "Asterisk online forums" <asterisk@stealthtele.com> > To: <asterisk-users@lists.digium.com> > Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Quality Survey.... :P > Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 11:23:14 -0500 > Reply-To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com > > Brian, >...> > We are looking now to improve GS products and start collecting all > bugs/probs and send them to GS. Idea is that we are opening Online > forums > and special Grandstream products mailing list. Some support people from > Grandstream will be participating in Forums and Mailing lists, so we > will have direct communication between GS and Online community, > hopefully it will help us to solve more probs. > Grandstream is very interested to make nice product and sell more, so > they will be fixing bugs for sure, otherwise they will be out of > business. >Alexander, I agree with your email but setting up MORE forums and mailing lists is not productive. GS phones have problems interacting with the VoIP services and Asterisk. The BEST places for the GS folks to get feedback AND to interact with the people who are using their phones are on these already existing mailing lists. I don't know why you insist on creating even more websites/email lists for VoIP support. Why not encourage GS to get visible on these lists and interact with their customers here, where they can get the most concentrated feedback (good and bad). Also, a comment for the general list. To me BETA code means that it is NOT yet RELEASED as PRODUCTION code. For anyone to think that Beta code comes without problems is being a bit shortsighted. If you get beta code that works without problems then that is great, otherwise give the developer feedback so that he can fix the bugs and don't complain about the problems it caused you. Otherwise wait on the official production releases. Robert
We bought 50 of these phones and deployed them at customer sites. But after 4 months of operation we have decided that they are completely unfit for our use. The have many bugs. The worst one is the one where the phone stops registering, others include: web page dies, numerous break in the SIP protocol, breaks in the UDP stack, problems with STUN operation, charging for GAPS!, etc... As a service provider the cost of hiring extra people to attend the increased workload of technical support to customers, far outweighs the $65 price. On the other hand we have most of our customers using the ATA186 and even though it costs 2X of what the Grandsrtream does, it is cheaper for us to support. And add to the fact that ATA186 customers are extremely happy with our service but Grandstream ones are at times infuriated. These phones might work fine for a small office but do not scale well with the requirements of a service provider. We are now pulling them all out of our network and will be dumping them on eBay. We are beginning our tests with the SPA2000. Andres. http://www.telesip.net
Besides the ata186, which phone is next up the food chain? Andres wrote:> We bought 50 of these phones and deployed them at customer sites. But after 4 > months of operation we have decided that they are completely unfit for our > use. The have many bugs. The worst one is the one where the phone stops > registering, others include: web page dies, numerous break in the SIP > protocol, breaks in the UDP stack, problems with STUN operation, charging for > GAPS!, etc... > > As a service provider the cost of hiring extra people to attend the increased > workload of technical support to customers, far outweighs the $65 price. On > the other hand we have most of our customers using the ATA186 and even though > it costs 2X of what the Grandsrtream does, it is cheaper for us to support. > And add to the fact that ATA186 customers are extremely happy with our > service but Grandstream ones are at times infuriated. > > These phones might work fine for a small office but do not scale well with the > requirements of a service provider. We are now pulling them all out of our > network and will be dumping them on eBay. We are beginning our tests with > the SPA2000. > > Andres. > http://www.telesip.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > >
On Wednesday 24 December 2003 20:14, Michael Welter wrote:> Besides the ata186, which phone is next up the food chain?We are testing the Sipura SPA2000 and so far so good.
Brian West wrote:>Today class we are going to be talking about the wonderful line of >GrandStream products. Or should I say BarbieTone phones? > >OK, so GrandStream phones are crap. What other phone products are there on the market that are cheap (and I DO NOT want to buy phones off eBay for a business), but work well. ATAs are out of the question because they aren't phones... and don't support all possible VoIP features. Cisco phones are all at least $200+, with maintenance, right? So what other options are there for ~$100 SIP/IAX hardphones? Nick
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2003-Dec-29 11:58 UTC
[Asterisk-Users] Re: Grandstream Quality Survey.... :P
> > Lubomir Christov <asterisk-users@lists.digium.com> said: > >> Yes, I know that the Grandstream firmware have problems (I have here > 15 > >> phones with some beta version already installed :( and waiting for > bug > >> fixing in the new beta) but the stable version 1.0.3.81 is working > just > >> perfect. > >> > > Here too. Would be interested to learn what the problems are with > > 1.0.3.81. > > > > And if people complain about beta firmware, well... I guess that's > why > > they call it beta, not? > > > > .. except that Grandstream are shipping new phones with the "beta" code > ;-) > > IainI just got 2 101s with 1.0.4.17 pre-installed which means I can't go back to 1.0.3.x. I really haven't had too many problems with it yet but I haven't used them much which I guess makes it bad. Shrug. Nothing major. Kevin
Send me all your grandstreams. I don't see anything wrong with em. (Now that I figured out how to set them up with *) :)> -----Original Message----- > From: Nick Bachmann [mailto:asterisk@not-real.org] > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 4:42 PM > To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Quality Survey.... :P > > Brian West wrote: > > >Today class we are going to be talking about the wonderful line of > >GrandStream products. Or should I say BarbieTone phones? > > > > > OK, so GrandStream phones are crap. What other phone > products are there on the market that are cheap (and I DO NOT > want to buy phones off eBay for a business), but work well. > ATAs are out of the question because they aren't phones... > and don't support all possible VoIP features. > > Cisco phones are all at least $200+, with maintenance, right? > > So what other options are there for ~$100 SIP/IAX hardphones? > > Nick > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > >