R help - Sep 2010 - OT Gmane and r-help moderator approval

I have started to read r-help on Gmane using Thunderbird as a reader. 
Before that I had messages sent to gmail account.

The first post through Gmane needed moderator approval, but then I got a 
message from

Your friendly autoauthorizer at Gmane.org

saying

You are now authorized to post to the
gmane.comp.lang.r.general newsgroup.

But my messages are still needing moderator approval, which I assumed 
would no longer be needed given the message from my friendly autoauthorizer

Am I missing something here.

Thanks

On 19-Sep-10 09:23:45, Graham Smith wrote:
> I have started to read r-help on Gmane using Thunderbird as a reader. 
> Before that I had messages sent to gmail account.
> 
> The first post through Gmane needed moderator approval, but then I
> got a message from
> 
> Your friendly autoauthorizer at Gmane.org
> 
> saying
> 
> You are now authorized to post to the
> gmane.comp.lang.r.general newsgroup.
> 
> But my messages are still needing moderator approval, which I assumed 
> would no longer be needed given the message from my friendly
> autoauthorizer
> 
> Am I missing something here.
> Thanks
The moderator approval is being applied by the R-help server
(mailman) at ethz.ch, the home of R-help, not by Gmane. If you
look at the headers of your latest message (the one to which I am
replying) you will see the header:

X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 15:24:56 +0200

which was inserted by mailman. You should have received a message
(prior to approval) which said that your message was being held
for moderator approval, and giving a reason. The reason is usually
one of two: "Posting by a non-member to a members-only list" or
"The message headers matched a filter rule".

If the email address from which you are posting is not subscribed
to the R-help list, you would get the first (I don't think that
access via Gmane can bypass that, though I stand to be corrected),
except that the second -- if triggered -- is likely to be quoted
instead of the first if both apply.

What can trigger the second is a somewhat varied mixed bag of
indicators of potential spam. This can include simply posting
from a gmail account, or via nabble (though I gather that the
"filter rules" have been slightly relaxed recently so that these
now pose a problem less often), and it may also be that access
via Gmane could trigger it.

If you would state what reason you were given, it may help to
identify the problem. If it was "Posting by non-member ... "
on any occasion then the only cure is to subscribe the email
address from which you post.

Hoping this helps,
Ted.

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Ted,
> The moderator approval is being applied by the R-help server
> (mailman) at ethz.ch, the home of R-help, not by Gmane. If you
> look at the headers of your latest message (the one to which I am
> replying) you will see the header:
Thanks for the explanation.

The message is "Posting by a non-member to a members-only list".

I was subscribed but for various reasons I thought it would be more 
convenient to pick up the messages direct from Gmane, but maybe I will 
just go back to a subscription, as it appears this will be convenent.

Thanks again,

Graham

On 19/09/2010 5:23 AM, Graham Smith wrote:
> I have started to read r-help on Gmane using Thunderbird as a reader. 
> Before that I had messages sent to gmail account.
> 
> The first post through Gmane needed moderator approval, but then I got a 
> message from
> 
> Your friendly autoauthorizer at Gmane.org
> 
> saying
> 
> You are now authorized to post to the
> gmane.comp.lang.r.general newsgroup.
> 
> But my messages are still needing moderator approval, which I assumed 
> would no longer be needed given the message from my friendly autoauthorizer
Gmane.org has nothing to do with the R mailing list; they're just a web 
site that subscribes to mailing lists and makes them available in other 
formats.  So their authorization lets you post on Gmane, but Gmane isn't 
authorized to post to the mailing list, and your messages would need 
manual authorization.

I think it would be best to subscribe and email directly to the real 
mailing list address.  That way your message will usually appear 
quicker, and won't take someone's intervention.

You can set up your subscription to send you nothing, and still read on 
Gmane, if you prefer that.

Duncan Murdoch
> 
> Am I missing something here.
> 
> Thanks
> 
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