Hi - I dont know if this will help but Rubyforums.co.uk has literally just been set up and there are some great tutorials and other key resources on there that should help people wanting to find out more - it promise to be a good source of info as I just told someone earlier - lets hope it will help us all - LOL - I suppose I should make a few posts there to support them really - any way I hope that helps you Paul -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.