Feichtinger Günter
2008-Jan-07 10:46 UTC
[Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server)
hallo everybody, i googled a lot of time, looking for PV-drivers for Windows- domUs. I found a few things about that, but nothing about download an installation. Do anybody know, where I can get it and how to install? My configuration: Dom0: CentOS 5.1 DomUs: Windows XP and 2003 Server Thanks for any help, Guenter _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
James Harper
2008-Jan-07 12:34 UTC
RE: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server)
http://www.meadowcourt.org/WindowsXenPV-0.5.0.zip>From memory, that version has the block drivers working on 2003 single cpu, and no network drivers. I can''t remember if it worked under XP or not. Also, early on there was some feedback with crashes under Intel arch (I only have AMD), and I never heard from anyone either way with the 0.5.0 release...We''re just working out some checksum offload problems with the network drivers and then I''ll probably put another binary release out. James _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Feichtinger Günter
2008-Jan-07 12:59 UTC
AW: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server)
Hello James, thanks for your answer. As I read in the Web, you are developing these driver, aren''t you? I also read about PV-Driver from RHEL5.1, Suse and XenSource. Isn''t it possible to use these driver for OpenSource Xen (e.g. CentOS)? Thank, Günter -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: James Harper [mailto:james.harper@bendigoit.com.au] Gesendet: Montag, 07. Jänner 2008 13:35 An: Feichtinger Günter; xen-users@lists.xensource.com Betreff: RE: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server) http://www.meadowcourt.org/WindowsXenPV-0.5.0.zip>From memory, that version has the block drivers working on 2003 single cpu, and no network drivers. I can''t remember if it worked under XP or not. Also, early on there was some feedback with crashes under Intel arch (I only have AMD), and I never heard from anyone either way with the 0.5.0 release...We''re just working out some checksum offload problems with the network drivers and then I''ll probably put another binary release out. James _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
James Harper
2008-Jan-07 13:03 UTC
RE: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server)
> Hello James, > thanks for your answer. > As I read in the Web, you are developing these driver, aren''t you? > > I also read about PV-Driver from RHEL5.1, Suse and XenSource. > Isn''t it possible to use these driver for OpenSource Xen (e.g. CentOS)?There are PV drivers for Linux included in the Xen source tree, in theory you just compile them against the kernel you are running. XenSource provides PV drivers for Windows, but they appear to only work when running the XenSource non-free version of Xen, and the legal status of using them outside that environment is undefined (probably only because I haven''t bothered reading the EULA :). James _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Feichtinger Günter
2008-Jan-07 13:53 UTC
AW: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server)
> > > Hello James, > > thanks for your answer. > > As I read in the Web, you are developing these driver, aren''t you? > > > > I also read about PV-Driver from RHEL5.1, Suse and XenSource. > > Isn''t it possible to use these driver for OpenSource Xen > (e.g. CentOS)? > > There are PV drivers for Linux included in the Xen source > tree, in theory you just compile them against the kernel you > are running.so, what is the cause you are developing the drivers on your own? It''s also hard to belive that on the whole world nobody uses pv-drivers with OpenSource- Xen. I hope, someone will answer. Thanks.> > XenSource provides PV drivers for Windows, but they appear to > only work when running the XenSource non-free version of Xen, > and the legal status of using them outside that environment > is undefined (probably only because I haven''t bothered > reading the EULA :). > > James >_______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
David Stone
2008-Jan-07 14:10 UTC
Re: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server)
> > > I also read about PV-Driver from RHEL5.1, Suse and XenSource. > > > Isn''t it possible to use these driver for OpenSource Xen > > (e.g. CentOS)? > > > > There are PV drivers for Linux included in the Xen source > > tree, in theory you just compile them against the kernel you > > are running. > > so, what is the cause you are developing the drivers on your own? > > It''s also hard to belive that on the whole world nobody uses pv-drivers with OpenSource- Xen. I hope, someone will answer.I don''t think any of the Linux distros include PV drivers for a _windows_ guest OS. The PV drivers for a Linux guest OS are included in part of the open-source Xen codebase, and so are natrually part of the Linux distros'' branches of xenified Linux. There are also PV drivers for HVM linux in the open-source Xen codebase. I guess it''s pretty much true that nobody uses _windows_ PV drivers with OpenSource Xen, at least until recently when they have started to be developed by folks like James :) Dave _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Nick Couchman
2008-Jan-07 14:28 UTC
Re: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server)
You can search for the Open Source HVM drivers, but I don''t think anything stable has come out, yet. The only other PV drivers that I know about for Windows are commercially available (read: NOT free) - these are Novell''s PV drivers for Windows and NetWare, and XenSource''s PV drivers. Again, both of those are commercial products - in Novell''s case you must purchase SLES10 to get the PV driver pack. Not sure about the XenSource ones... --nick>>> On 2008/01/07 at 03:46, Feichtinger Günter<Feichtinger.Guenter@bartelt.at> wrote: hallo everybody, i googled a lot of time, looking for PV-drivers for Windows- domUs. I found a few things about that, but nothing about download an installation. Do anybody know, where I can get it and how to install? My configuration: Dom0: CentOS 5.1 DomUs: Windows XP and 2003 Server Thanks for any help, Guenter _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Caz Yokoyama
2008-Jan-07 16:44 UTC
RE: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server)
VirtualIron has network and other drivers. Check http://www.virtualiron.com/products/Free_Download.cfm. Thank you. -Caz Yokoyama, caz@caztech.com, CazYokoyama@gmail.com, +1-503-804-1028(m) _____ From: xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com [mailto:xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com] On Behalf Of Nick Couchman Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:28 AM To: Feichtinger Günter; xen-users@lists.xensource.com Subject: Re: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server) You can search for the Open Source HVM drivers, but I don''t think anything stable has come out, yet. The only other PV drivers that I know about for Windows are commercially available (read: NOT free) - these are Novell''s PV drivers for Windows and NetWare, and XenSource''s PV drivers. Again, both of those are commercial products - in Novell''s case you must purchase SLES10 to get the PV driver pack. Not sure about the XenSource ones... --nick>>> On 2008/01/07 at 03:46, Feichtinger Günter<Feichtinger.Guenter@bartelt.at> wrote: hallo everybody, i googled a lot of time, looking for PV-drivers for Windows- domUs. I found a few things about that, but nothing about download an installation. Do anybody know, where I can get it and how to install? My configuration: Dom0: CentOS 5.1 DomUs: Windows XP and 2003 Server Thanks for any help, Guenter _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Nick Couchman
2008-Jan-07 16:49 UTC
RE: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server)
Yes, but these are likely for VirtualIron''s virtualization product and not XEN PV drivers for HVM domUs. --Nick>>> On Mon, Jan 7, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Caz Yokoyama<cazyokoyama@gmail.com> wrote: VirtualIron has network and other drivers. Check http://www.virtualiron.com/products/Free_Download.cfm. Thank you. -Caz Yokoyama, caz@caztech.com, CazYokoyama@gmail.com, +1-503-804-1028(m) From: xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com [mailto:xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com] On Behalf Of Nick Couchman Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:28 AM To: Feichtinger Günter; xen-users@lists.xensource.com Subject: Re: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server) You can search for the Open Source HVM drivers, but I don''t think anything stable has come out, yet. The only other PV drivers that I know about for Windows are commercially available (read: NOT free) - these are Novell''s PV drivers for Windows and NetWare, and XenSource''s PV drivers. Again, both of those are commercial products - in Novell''s case you must purchase SLES10 to get the PV driver pack. Not sure about the XenSource ones... --nick>>> On 2008/01/07 at 03:46, Feichtinger Günter<Feichtinger.Guenter@bartelt.at> wrote: hallo everybody, i googled a lot of time, looking for PV-drivers for Windows- domUs. I found a few things about that, but nothing about download an installation. Do anybody know, where I can get it and how to install? My configuration: Dom0: CentOS 5.1 DomUs: Windows XP and 2003 Server Thanks for any help, Guenter _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Caz Yokoyama
2008-Jan-07 16:59 UTC
RE: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server)
VirtualIron is Xen based product like XenSource. They suggest the installation of VI tools which add couple of devices include network device on Windows. Correct if I am wrong. Thank you. -Caz Yokoyama, caz@caztech.com, CazYokoyama@gmail.com, +1-503-804-1028(m) _____ From: Nick Couchman [mailto:Nick.Couchman@seakr.com] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 8:49 AM To: Feichtinger.Guenter@bartelt.at; Caz Yokoyama; xen-users@lists.xensource.com Subject: RE: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server) Yes, but these are likely for VirtualIron''s virtualization product and not XEN PV drivers for HVM domUs. --Nick>>> On Mon, Jan 7, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Caz Yokoyama <cazyokoyama@gmail.com>wrote: VirtualIron has network and other drivers. Check http://www.virtualiron.com/products/Free_Download.cfm. Thank you. -Caz Yokoyama, caz@caztech.com, CazYokoyama@gmail.com, +1-503-804-1028(m) _____ size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> From: xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com [mailto:xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com] On Behalf Of Nick Couchman Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:28 AM To: Feichtinger Günter; xen-users@lists.xensource.com Subject: Re: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server) You can search for the Open Source HVM drivers, but I don''t think anything stable has come out, yet. The only other PV drivers that I know about for Windows are commercially available (read: NOT free) - these are Novell''s PV drivers for Windows and NetWare, and XenSource''s PV drivers. Again, both of those are commercial products - in Novell''s case you must purchase SLES10 to get the PV driver pack. Not sure about the XenSource ones... --nick>>> On 2008/01/07 at 03:46, Feichtinger Günter<Feichtinger.Guenter@bartelt.at> wrote: hallo everybody, i googled a lot of time, looking for PV-drivers for Windows- domUs. I found a few things about that, but nothing about download an installation. Do anybody know, where I can get it and how to install? My configuration: Dom0: CentOS 5.1 DomUs: Windows XP and 2003 Server Thanks for any help, Guenter _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Nick Couchman
2008-Jan-07 17:50 UTC
RE: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server)
You''re right - my mistake. They also have a non-Xen-based virtual server product (akin to VMware Server), so I think I was getting those confused. --Nick>>> On Mon, Jan 7, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Caz Yokoyama<cazyokoyama@gmail.com> wrote: VirtualIron is Xen based product like XenSource. They suggest the installation of VI tools which add couple of devices include network device on Windows. Correct if I am wrong. Thank you. -Caz Yokoyama, caz@caztech.com, CazYokoyama@gmail.com, +1-503-804-1028(m) From: Nick Couchman [mailto:Nick.Couchman@seakr.com] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 8:49 AM To: Feichtinger.Guenter@bartelt.at; Caz Yokoyama; xen-users@lists.xensource.com Subject: RE: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server) Yes, but these are likely for VirtualIron''s virtualization product and not XEN PV drivers for HVM domUs. --Nick>>> On Mon, Jan 7, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Caz Yokoyama<cazyokoyama@gmail.com> wrote: VirtualIron has network and other drivers. Check http://www.virtualiron.com/products/Free_Download.cfm. Thank you. -Caz Yokoyama, caz@caztech.com, CazYokoyama@gmail.com, +1-503-804-1028(m) size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> From: xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com [mailto:xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com] On Behalf Of Nick Couchman Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:28 AM To: Feichtinger Günter; xen-users@lists.xensource.com Subject: Re: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server) You can search for the Open Source HVM drivers, but I don''t think anything stable has come out, yet. The only other PV drivers that I know about for Windows are commercially available (read: NOT free) - these are Novell''s PV drivers for Windows and NetWare, and XenSource''s PV drivers. Again, both of those are commercial products - in Novell''s case you must purchase SLES10 to get the PV driver pack. Not sure about the XenSource ones... --nick>>> On 2008/01/07 at 03:46, Feichtinger Günter<Feichtinger.Guenter@bartelt.at> wrote: hallo everybody, i googled a lot of time, looking for PV-drivers for Windows- domUs. I found a few things about that, but nothing about download an installation. Do anybody know, where I can get it and how to install? My configuration: Dom0: CentOS 5.1 DomUs: Windows XP and 2003 Server Thanks for any help, Guenter _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Ofek Doron [Ofek BIZ]
2008-Jan-07 19:19 UTC
Re: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server)
Hi all, The problem is that each vendor ends up with its own version of windows PV drivers. Wouldn''t the world be better with one set of Windows paravirtual drivers? Because XenSource / Novell have an agreement with Microsoft they use the drivers in the commercial products, AFAIK Microsoft virtual server ( Hyper V / Vridian) (they have a beta release) is also a paravirtual platform, maybe in the next version of windows we will have a build-in PV drivers . - Doron Nick Couchman wrote:> You''re right - my mistake. They also have a non-Xen-based virtual > server product (akin to VMware Server), so I think I was getting those > confused. > > > --Nick > > >>> On Mon, Jan 7, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Caz Yokoyama > <cazyokoyama@gmail.com> wrote: > > > VirtualIron is Xen based product like XenSource. They suggest the > installation of VI tools which add couple of devices include network > device on Windows. Correct if I am wrong. > > > Thank you. > > > -Caz Yokoyama, caz@caztech.com <mailto:caz@caztech.com>, > CazYokoyama@gmail.com, +1-503-804-1028(m) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: > > Nick Couchman [mailto:Nick.Couchman@seakr.com] > > Sent: > > Monday, January 07, 2008 8:49 AM > > To: > > Feichtinger.Guenter@bartelt.at; Caz Yokoyama; > xen-users@lists.xensource.com > > Subject: > > RE: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server) > > > > > > Yes, but these are likely for VirtualIron''s virtualization product and > not XEN PV drivers for HVM domUs. > > > > > > --Nick > > > > >>> On Mon, Jan 7, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Caz Yokoyama > <cazyokoyama@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > VirtualIron has network and other drivers. Check > http://www.virtualiron.com/products/Free_Download.cfm. > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > -Caz Yokoyama, caz@caztech.com <mailto:caz@caztech.com>, > CazYokoyama@gmail.com, +1-503-804-1028(m) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> > > > > > From: > > > xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com > [mailto:xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com] > > > On Behalf Of > > > Nick Couchman > > > Sent: > > > Monday, January 07, 2008 6:28 AM > > > To: > > > Feichtinger Günter; xen-users@lists.xensource.com > > > Subject: > > > Re: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server) > > > > > > > > > > You can search for the Open Source HVM drivers, but I don''t think > anything stable has come out, yet. The only other PV drivers that I > know about for Windows are commercially available (read: NOT free) - > these are Novell''s PV drivers for Windows and NetWare, and XenSource''s > PV drivers. Again, both of those are commercial products - in > Novell''s case you must purchase SLES10 to get the PV driver pack. Not > sure about the XenSource ones... > > > > > > > > > > > > --nick > > >>> On 2008/01/07 at 03:46, Feichtinger Günter > <Feichtinger.Guenter@bartelt.at> wrote: > > > > > > hallo everybody, > > > > > i googled a lot of time, looking for PV-drivers for Windows- domUs. > > > > > I found a few things about that, but nothing about download an > installation. > > > > > Do anybody know, where I can get it and how to install? > > > > > > > > > > > My configuration: > > > > > Dom0: CentOS 5.1 > > > > > DomUs: Windows XP and 2003 Server > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for any help, > > > > > > > > > > > Guenter > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Xen-users mailing list > Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users-- http://www.ofek.biz P Save a tree...please don''t print this e-mail/ / _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Mark Williamson
2008-Jan-08 00:20 UTC
Re: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server)
> You can search for the Open Source HVM drivers, but I don''t think > anything stable has come out, yet. The only other PV drivers that I > know about for Windows are commercially available (read: NOT free) - > these are Novell''s PV drivers for Windows and NetWare, and XenSource''s > PV drivers. Again, both of those are commercial products - in Novell''s > case you must purchase SLES10 to get the PV driver pack. Not sure about > the XenSource ones...Until James started a PV drivers for Windows project under the GPL there really were no PV Windows drivers available for Open Source Xen. If you install XenExpress you can try the Windows driver pack which comes with that (which are the same as the XenEnterprise drivers because it''s basically the same product). You''re then subject to the XenExpress license which may be too restrictive for what you want to do though. Cheers, Mark> --nick > > >>> On 2008/01/07 at 03:46, Feichtinger Günter > > <Feichtinger.Guenter@bartelt.at> wrote: > hallo everybody, > i googled a lot of time, looking for PV-drivers for Windows- domUs. > I found a few things about that, but nothing about download an > installation. > Do anybody know, where I can get it and how to install? > > My configuration: > Dom0: CentOS 5.1 > DomUs: Windows XP and 2003 Server > > Thanks for any help, > > Guenter-- Dave: Just a question. What use is a unicyle with no seat? And no pedals! Mark: To answer a question with a question: What use is a skateboard? Dave: Skateboards have wheels. Mark: My wheel has a wheel! _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Feichtinger Günter
2008-Jan-08 07:48 UTC
AW: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server)
But these drivers are also commercial, aren''t they? Thanks, Günter ________________________________ Von: Caz Yokoyama [mailto:cazyokoyama@gmail.com] Gesendet: Montag, 07. Jänner 2008 17:45 An: ''Nick Couchman''; Feichtinger Günter; xen-users@lists.xensource.com Betreff: RE: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server) VirtualIron has network and other drivers. Check http://www.virtualiron.com/products/Free_Download.cfm. Thank you. -Caz Yokoyama, caz@caztech.com, CazYokoyama@gmail.com, +1-503-804-1028(m) ________________________________ From: xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com [mailto:xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com] On Behalf Of Nick Couchman Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:28 AM To: Feichtinger Günter; xen-users@lists.xensource.com Subject: Re: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server) You can search for the Open Source HVM drivers, but I don''t think anything stable has come out, yet. The only other PV drivers that I know about for Windows are commercially available (read: NOT free) - these are Novell''s PV drivers for Windows and NetWare, and XenSource''s PV drivers. Again, both of those are commercial products - in Novell''s case you must purchase SLES10 to get the PV driver pack. Not sure about the XenSource ones... --nick >>> On 2008/01/07 at 03:46, Feichtinger Günter <Feichtinger.Guenter@bartelt.at> wrote: hallo everybody, i googled a lot of time, looking for PV-drivers for Windows- domUs. I found a few things about that, but nothing about download an installation. Do anybody know, where I can get it and how to install? My configuration: Dom0: CentOS 5.1 DomUs: Windows XP and 2003 Server Thanks for any help, Guenter _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Feichtinger Günter
2008-Jan-08 08:14 UTC
AW: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server)
Thanks a lot for so much answers. After I have read them, I wonder if anybody use Windows guest in OpenSource- Xen enviroment for productiv-systems. Because without PV drivers IO- and network performance is not really the best. --Günter> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: M.A. Williamson [mailto:maw48@hermes.cam.ac.uk] Im > Auftrag von Mark Williamson > Gesendet: Dienstag, 08. Jänner 2008 01:21 > An: xen-users@lists.xensource.com > Cc: Nick Couchman; Feichtinger Günter > Betreff: Re: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server) > > > You can search for the Open Source HVM drivers, but I don''t think > > anything stable has come out, yet. The only other PV > drivers that I > > know about for Windows are commercially available (read: > NOT free) - > > these are Novell''s PV drivers for Windows and NetWare, and > XenSource''s > > PV drivers. Again, both of those are commercial products - in > > Novell''s case you must purchase SLES10 to get the PV driver > pack. Not > > sure about the XenSource ones... > > Until James started a PV drivers for Windows project under > the GPL there really were no PV Windows drivers available for > Open Source Xen. If you install XenExpress you can try the > Windows driver pack which comes with that (which are the same > as the XenEnterprise drivers because it''s basically the same > product). You''re then subject to the XenExpress license > which may be too restrictive for what you want to do though. > > Cheers, > Mark > > > --nick > > > > >>> On 2008/01/07 at 03:46, Feichtinger Günter > > > > <Feichtinger.Guenter@bartelt.at> wrote: > > hallo everybody, > > i googled a lot of time, looking for PV-drivers for Windows- domUs. > > I found a few things about that, but nothing about download an > > installation. > > Do anybody know, where I can get it and how to install? > > > > My configuration: > > Dom0: CentOS 5.1 > > DomUs: Windows XP and 2003 Server > > > > Thanks for any help, > > > > Guenter > > > > -- > Dave: Just a question. What use is a unicyle with no seat? > And no pedals! > Mark: To answer a question with a question: What use is a skateboard? > Dave: Skateboards have wheels. > Mark: My wheel has a wheel! >_______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Evan Lavelle
2008-Jan-08 10:24 UTC
Re: AW: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server)
Feichtinger Günter wrote:> > Thanks a lot for so much answers. > After I have read them, I wonder if anybody use Windows guest in OpenSource- Xen enviroment for productiv-systems. > Because without PV drivers IO- and network performance is not really the best.I do, for software build and testing. It works *really* well. My regressions on HVM W2K run at 70% of their speed on unvirtualised Linux (with identical hardware), and builds run at about 40% - 50% full speed (these are aggregate results - when I run Bison during the build, for example, it runs at about 1 - 2% speed). So, my choice is: 1 - maintain a Windows box for testing, which runs builds/regressions at 100% speed 2 - throw away the Windows box, virtualise Windows in a 10GB partition on a Linux machine, and run my software at 40% - 70% full speed. It''s a no-brainer. Besides, my desktop Windows box is about 7 years old, so it might have a 200MHz Pentium in it, and that works fine for Word/Excel/Firefox etc. My HVM Windows runs on current hardware, so is probably ~10 times faster to start with. Of course, I haven''t tried running Word/Excel/etc under HVM.. :) Evan _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Caz Yokoyama
2008-Jan-08 11:39 UTC
RE: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server)
Yes, it is commercial, but free downloadable. Thank you. -Caz Yokoyama, caz@caztech.com, CazYokoyama@gmail.com, +1-503-804-1028(m) _____ From: Feichtinger Günter [mailto:Feichtinger.Guenter@bartelt.at] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:49 PM To: xen-users@lists.xensource.com Cc: Caz Yokoyama Subject: AW: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server) But these drivers are also commercial, aren''t they? Thanks, Günter _____ Von: Caz Yokoyama [mailto:cazyokoyama@gmail.com] Gesendet: Montag, 07. Jänner 2008 17:45 An: ''Nick Couchman''; Feichtinger Günter; xen-users@lists.xensource.com Betreff: RE: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server) VirtualIron has network and other drivers. Check http://www.virtualiron.com/products/Free_Download.cfm. Thank you. -Caz Yokoyama, caz@caztech.com, CazYokoyama@gmail.com, +1-503-804-1028(m) _____ From: xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com [mailto:xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com] On Behalf Of Nick Couchman Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:28 AM To: Feichtinger Günter; xen-users@lists.xensource.com Subject: Re: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server) You can search for the Open Source HVM drivers, but I don''t think anything stable has come out, yet. The only other PV drivers that I know about for Windows are commercially available (read: NOT free) - these are Novell''s PV drivers for Windows and NetWare, and XenSource''s PV drivers. Again, both of those are commercial products - in Novell''s case you must purchase SLES10 to get the PV driver pack. Not sure about the XenSource ones... --nick>>> On 2008/01/07 at 03:46, Feichtinger Günter<Feichtinger.Guenter@bartelt.at> wrote: hallo everybody, i googled a lot of time, looking for PV-drivers for Windows- domUs. I found a few things about that, but nothing about download an installation. Do anybody know, where I can get it and how to install? My configuration: Dom0: CentOS 5.1 DomUs: Windows XP and 2003 Server Thanks for any help, Guenter _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Boudreau Luc
2008-Jan-08 14:11 UTC
RE: AW: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server)
>> I have read them, I wonder if anybody use Windows guest inOpenSource- Xen enviroment for productiv-systems. We do use Xen from CentOS 5 and a Windows domU for production systems. The applications running on it are not too big to run and the traffic is not so big either. But we still get fairly good performances. Download is slower, partly because of the Raid array I/O with the Xen PV drivers overhead, but we still get 3-5 mbps. The network link is not faster anyway, so it wasn''t a problem for us. The system is completely stable and has achieved 5-9 production availability for 3 months up to now. And yes, we did install the PV drivers included in the free version of XenExpress. ______________________________________________________ Luc Boudreau _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Boudreau Luc
2008-Jan-08 14:13 UTC
RE: AW: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server)
>> I have read them, I wonder if anybody use Windows guest inOpenSource- Xen enviroment for productiv-systems. We do use Xen from CentOS 5 and a Windows domU for production systems. The applications running on it are not too big to run and the traffic is not so big either. But we still get fairly good performances. Download is slower, partly because of the Raid array I/O with the Xen PV drivers overhead, but we still get 3-5 mbps. The network link is not faster anyway, so it wasn''t a problem for us. The system is completely stable and has achieved 5-9 production availability for 3 months up to now. And yes, we did install the PV drivers included in the free version of XenExpress. ______________________________________________________ Luc Boudreau _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Feichtinger Günter
2008-Jan-08 14:26 UTC
AW: AW: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server)
> > >> I have read them, I wonder if anybody use Windows guest in > OpenSource- Xen enviroment for productiv-systems. > > We do use Xen from CentOS 5 and a Windows domU for production systems. > The applications running on it are not too big to run and the > traffic is not so big either. But we still get fairly good > performances. Download is slower, partly because of the Raid > array I/O with the Xen PV drivers overhead, but we still get > 3-5 mbps. The network link is not faster anyway, so it wasn''t > a problem for us. The system is completely stable and has > achieved 5-9 production availability for 3 months up to now. > And yes, we did install the PV drivers included in the free > version of XenExpress.Please let me known, who to get/ install the PV drivers... Thanks, Günter> > ______________________________________________________ > > Luc Boudreau > > _______________________________________________ > Xen-users mailing list > Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users >_______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Ofek Doron [Ofek BIZ]
2008-Jan-08 14:43 UTC
Re: AW: AW: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server)
Feichtinger Günter wrote:>>>> I have read them, I wonder if anybody use Windows guest in >>>> >> OpenSource- Xen enviroment for productiv-systems. >> >> We do use Xen from CentOS 5 and a Windows domU for production systems. >> The applications running on it are not too big to run and the >> traffic is not so big either. But we still get fairly good >> performances. Download is slower, partly because of the Raid >> array I/O with the Xen PV drivers overhead, but we still get >> 3-5 mbps. The network link is not faster anyway, so it wasn''t >> a problem for us. The system is completely stable and has >> achieved 5-9 production availability for 3 months up to now. >> And yes, we did install the PV drivers included in the free >> version of XenExpress. >> > > Please let me known, who to get/ install the PV drivers... > >You have the drivers in iso file that include in the Xensource installation. But AFAIK, there is a license issue .. read the EULA . - doron> Thanks, > Günter > > >> ______________________________________________________ >> >> Luc Boudreau >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xen-users mailing list >> Xen-users@lists.xensource.com >> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Xen-users mailing list > Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users >-- http://www.ofek.biz P Save a tree...please don''t print this e-mail/ / _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Feichtinger Günter
2008-Jan-10 08:07 UTC
AW: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server)
Hello James, would you be so kind and let me know, when you have included the network drivers? Then I will test them in my enviroment and give you feadback (as you like). Günter> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: James Harper [mailto:james.harper@bendigoit.com.au] > Gesendet: Montag, 07. Jänner 2008 13:35 > An: Feichtinger Günter; xen-users@lists.xensource.com > Betreff: RE: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server) > > http://www.meadowcourt.org/WindowsXenPV-0.5.0.zip > > From memory, that version has the block drivers working on > 2003 single cpu, and no network drivers. I can''t remember if > it worked under XP or not. Also, early on there was some > feedback with crashes under Intel arch (I only have AMD), and > I never heard from anyone either way with the 0.5.0 release... > > We''re just working out some checksum offload problems with > the network drivers and then I''ll probably put another binary > release out. > > James >_______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Boudreau Luc
2008-Jan-10 14:20 UTC
RE: AW: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server)
I found em in the XenExpress package. There''s a tool.iso file hidden in some Linux tools archive that comes with XenExpress. Open the iso, inside there''s the setup file for the PV drivers. We use XenSource bundeled in CentOS 5 so I don''t know if installing the PV drivers in a custom built Kernel or installing the driver with a dom0 that was compiled from source will cause any problems. I installed them and it''s stable for me as far as I know. Also, some guy on this list named James something works on an open-source version. Alpha stage though... Luc -----Message d''origine----- De : xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com [mailto:xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com] De la part de Feichtinger Günter Envoyé : 8 janvier 2008 09:27 À : xen-users@lists.xensource.com Objet : AW: AW: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server)> > >> I have read them, I wonder if anybody use Windows guest in > OpenSource- Xen enviroment for productiv-systems. > > We do use Xen from CentOS 5 and a Windows domU for production systems. > The applications running on it are not too big to run and the > traffic is not so big either. But we still get fairly good > performances. Download is slower, partly because of the Raid > array I/O with the Xen PV drivers overhead, but we still get > 3-5 mbps. The network link is not faster anyway, so it wasn''t > a problem for us. The system is completely stable and has > achieved 5-9 production availability for 3 months up to now. > And yes, we did install the PV drivers included in the free > version of XenExpress.Please let me known, who to get/ install the PV drivers... Thanks, Günter> > ______________________________________________________ > > Luc Boudreau > > _______________________________________________ > Xen-users mailing list > Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users >_______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
jim burns
2008-Jan-11 01:54 UTC
Re: AW: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server)
On Thursday 10 January 2008 09:20:50 am Boudreau Luc wrote:> I found em in the XenExpress package. There''s a tool.iso file hidden in > some Linux tools archive that comes with XenExpress. Open the iso, inside > there''s the setup file for the PV drivers. We use XenSource bundeled in > CentOS 5 so I don''t know if installing the PV drivers in a custom built > Kernel or installing the driver with a dom0 that was compiled from source > will cause any problems. I installed them and it''s stable for me as far as > I know.Yes, but is it actually doing something? As an experiment, I loaded the Windows PV tools from XenSource 3.2. It installed fine, rebooted fine, but when I went into the Device manager, it said about the ''XenSource PV SCSI Host Adapter'' that ''This device cannot start (Code 10)''. _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Ryan Burke
2008-Jan-11 02:34 UTC
Re: AW: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server)
> On Thursday 10 January 2008 09:20:50 am Boudreau Luc wrote: >> I found em in the XenExpress package. There''s a tool.iso file hidden in >> some Linux tools archive that comes with XenExpress. Open the iso, >> inside >> there''s the setup file for the PV drivers. We use XenSource bundeled in >> CentOS 5 so I don''t know if installing the PV drivers in a custom built >> Kernel or installing the driver with a dom0 that was compiled from >> source >> will cause any problems. I installed them and it''s stable for me as far >> as >> I know. > > Yes, but is it actually doing something? As an experiment, I loaded the > Windows PV tools from XenSource 3.2. It installed fine, rebooted fine, but > when I went into the Device manager, it said about the ''XenSource PV SCSI > Host Adapter'' that ''This device cannot start (Code 10)''. >I believe someone from XenSource explained that the Windows PV drivers require communication with some daemon that is installed along with XenExpress in order to be active and actually work correctly. _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Emre Erenoglu
2008-Jan-19 14:52 UTC
Re: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server)
Just to clarify, as far as I know up until today, without a commercial product, none of the downloadable PV drivers for HVM Windows will work. They always require some interface between the driver and the "commercial" product. You cannot install xen from xen.org (open-source version) and use these downloadable drivers. Your only chance is to try the open-source drivers that James initiated. Please search for it in the mail archives. Emre On Jan 8, 2008 12:39 PM, Caz Yokoyama <cazyokoyama@gmail.com> wrote:> Yes, it is commercial, but free downloadable. > > Thank you. > > -Caz Yokoyama, caz@caztech.com, CazYokoyama@gmail.com, +1-503-804-1028(m) > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Feichtinger Günter [mailto:Feichtinger.Guenter@bartelt.at] > *Sent:* Monday, January 07, 2008 11:49 PM > *To:* xen-users@lists.xensource.com > *Cc:* Caz Yokoyama > *Subject:* AW: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server) > > > > > > But these drivers are also commercial, aren''t they? > > > > Thanks, > > Günter > > > ------------------------------ > > *Von:* Caz Yokoyama [mailto:cazyokoyama@gmail.com] > *Gesendet:* Montag, 07. Jänner 2008 17:45 > *An:* ''Nick Couchman''; Feichtinger Günter; xen-users@lists.xensource.com > *Betreff:* RE: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server) > > VirtualIron has network and other drivers. Check > http://www.virtualiron.com/products/Free_Download.cfm. > > Thank you. > > -Caz Yokoyama, caz@caztech.com, CazYokoyama@gmail.com, +1-503-804-1028(m) > ------------------------------ > > *From:* xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com [mailto: > xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com] *On Behalf Of *Nick Couchman > *Sent:* Monday, January 07, 2008 6:28 AM > *To:* Feichtinger Günter; xen-users@lists.xensource.com > *Subject:* Re: [Xen-users] PV- Drivers for Windows (XP, 2003 Server) > > > > You can search for the Open Source HVM drivers, but I don''t think anything > stable has come out, yet. The only other PV drivers that I know about for > Windows are commercially available (read: NOT free) - these are Novell''s PV > drivers for Windows and NetWare, and XenSource''s PV drivers. Again, both > of those are commercial products - in Novell''s case you must purchase SLES10 > to get the PV driver pack. Not sure about the XenSource ones... > > > > --nick > > >>> On 2008/01/07 at 03:46, Feichtinger Günter < > Feichtinger.Guenter@bartelt.at> wrote: > > hallo everybody, > > i googled a lot of time, looking for PV-drivers for Windows- domUs. > > I found a few things about that, but nothing about download an > installation. > > Do anybody know, where I can get it and how to install? > > > > My configuration: > > Dom0: CentOS 5.1 > > DomUs: Windows XP and 2003 Server > > > > Thanks for any help, > > > > Guenter > > > _______________________________________________ > Xen-users mailing list > Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users >-- Emre Erenoglu erenoglu@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
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