On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 06:38:58PM +0000, Always Learning wrote:> When something new is proposed and it is substantially and conspicuously > superior, then everyone wants it. Never noticed that enthusiasm with > systemd's imposition - an imposition nurtured and promoted by the > non-everyday business work environment of experimental Fedora.Maybe you're not aware of it, but there are a LOT of things that systemd fixes that people are happy about. A lot of people just don't care because it works well enough that they don't notice it. Like anything in the IT world, you only hear about it when it breaks. -- Jonathan Billings <billings at negate.org>
----- Mail original -----> De: "Jonathan Billings" <billings at negate.org> > Maybe you're not aware of it, but there are a LOT of things that > systemd fixes that people are happy about.Like what ? I don't remember there were as many errors to fix before systemd appeared. Sylvain. Pensez ENVIRONNEMENT : n'imprimer que si ncessaire
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 03:11:50PM +0100, Sylvain CANOINE wrote:> ----- Mail original ----- > > De: "Jonathan Billings" <billings at negate.org> > > Maybe you're not aware of it, but there are a LOT of things that > > systemd fixes that people are happy about. > Like what ? I don't remember there were as many errors to fix before > systemd appeared.I suggest reading the previous emails (SOME OF WHICH YOU REPLIED TO) that listed many of the features people are happy about. -- Jonathan Billings <billings at negate.org>
Sylvain CANOINE wrote:>> De: "Jonathan Billings" <billings at negate.org>>> Maybe you're not aware of it, but there are a LOT of things that >> systemd fixes that people are happy about.> Like what ? I don't remember there were as many errors to fix before > systemd appeared. >Agreed. The speed of boot and shutdown? Whoop-de-do. I've got HP servers that take about 70 second BEFORE THE LOGO ever comes up, just blank screen, before POST. And my servers - for at least a lot of them, I've got once a month maintenance windows to reboot. Some, maybe once every three months. Why should I care about speed of reboot? That matters on someone's laptop, but the rest? Or the annoyance with NetMangler, that in 7 is not only noisy, but keeps wanting to do stuff with wifi... on a wired workstation, and I have yet to figure out how to shut it up. Or systemctl restart somethingorother, that gives *ZERO* warm fuzzies while running, just nothing, and you have to run another command to find out what happened. Or the non-plain-text configuration files, which are just *wonderful* NOT when you're in linux rescue. Just because you *can* do something does not mean you *should*. mark