Hey All, I''ve just got back from a great meeting with a potential new client. Everything was going so well - I knocked back their old-school project plans, sold Rails to them in less than 5 minutes. All cool. Then, 5 minutes before the end they say ''Oh and by the way - I know we said we''re happy to host on any platform suitable, but there''s been a change and we have to run on Windows. Does Ruby on Rails run on ok Windows?'' Now, do I react to this like a pro and say something like ''We don''t currently use Rails on windows but we have contractors that can advise your server guys on the setup''? No. My latent geek appears and ramble on about Rails not being as stable on Windows and even - and i can''t believe this - ''I don''t really give Windows the time of day'' They winced. Ok, so before I give myself a kicking for not being more prepared and then acting like an idiot, I need damage control. My first issue is that I need find out whether or not Rails on Windows is a suitable production setup. I then need a Windows pro to bail me out. This will obviously be a one off job - setting up a windows server to run rails and/or providing consultancy to the client''s hosting guys. We''re a UK based company but it shouldn''t be a problem if you''re overseas. If anyone is interested, please drop me an email off list with your rates and past projects. If anyone wants to post on list to comment about my sorry position, please feel free :0) Cheers, Steve --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi All, I''ve just got back from a meeting with a potential client and, although I sold Rails to them pretty easily, I kinda put my foot in it at the last minute when they dropped ''Oh and a change of plan means it needs to run on a Windows server''. I''m kicking myself a bit as, instead of giving an intelligent response, I just rambled a bit about Rails not being as stable on Windows and for some reason that I still can''t figure out said "I wouldn''t really give Windows the time of day". They winced. I back peddled. Anyway - it happens. I now need to prove whether or not Rails will be stable on a production windows server. If anyone fancies doing a bit of consulting - either configuring a server or advising a team of windows hosting bods - drop me an email and we can discuss costs etc. Ideally, I''m going to need to present them with a few live applications, so if anyone has any Rails sites running on windows, I''d appreciate it if you could post the links. Now, I''m going to go kick myself for not being prepared for that little bombshell. Cheers, Steve -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Nov 8, 2006, at 1:15 PM, Steve Bartholomew wrote:> Anyway - it happens. I now need to prove whether or not Rails will be > stable on a production windows server. If anyone fancies doing a > bit of > consulting - either configuring a server or advising a team of windows > hosting bods - drop me an email and we can discuss costs etc.Have you instead considered selling them on one of the growing number of Rails specific hosting companies, many of which offer far more than basic hosting? :-) -- -- Tom Mornini, CTO -- Engine Yard, Ruby on Rails Hosting -- Reliability, Ease of Use, Scalability -- (866) 518-YARD (9273) --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Steve Bartholomew wrote:> Hi All, > Ideally, I''m going to need to present them with a few live applications, > so if anyone has any Rails sites running on windows, I''d appreciate it > if you could post the links.Hi Steve, Do they require you use IIS, or just that it run on a Windows box? If you can avoid IIS, I think the best bet is Apache -> Mongrel: http://mongrel.rubyforge.org/docs/win32.html http://mongrel.rubyforge.org/docs/apache.html I haven''t had a chance to try it myself, but it''s a better shot than trying to use IIS. Hopefully someone with more IIS experience than me can chime in. Jeff softiesonrails.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
> Have you instead considered selling them on one of the growing number > of Rails specific hosting companies, many of which offer far more than > basic hosting? > > :-):0) If only it were that simple. We offered them dedicated servers and basic Rails hosting on our servers but alas, they already have a Windows server that they simply ''have'' to use. It''s sort of annoying because we were told that ''the best server setup for the job'' would be considered. That changed slightly without us knowing... Cheers, Steve -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
What is the big push to only use windows servers? Are then scared of having to call in support later? I''ve found that when offering services like this you need to establish the requirements up front and in the case of rails Linux or some Unix would be your best bet for continued stability and performance. I think that explaining the platform decision should come down to features and expandability of the platform not if the windows "admins" can support it. I feel that the benefit of using a well supported Linux Distro with apache/mongrel far out weigh the costs of trying to implement the rails solution on a windows machine and trying to match the performance. my .02 -mark --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
> Do they require you use IIS, or just that it run on a Windows box? > > If you can avoid IIS, I think the best bet is Apache -> Mongrel:Yeah, I was kinda hopeing that that setup would work. Like I said, i really need to prove it definatly will after my gaff :0) The other thing is, I''m not sure they''ll trust me to set it up now, so we''re gonna have to save face by saying that we have a ''windows guy'' on board to help with the setup. Cheers, Steve -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
> What is the big push to only use windows servers? Are then scared of > having to call in support later?I think unfortunatly, it comes down to a political decision. They already have a windows server setup and don''t want loads of different setups. I totally agree with you about using the best platform. It''s exactly what I told them. To be honest if we weren''t so interested in the nature of client''s work we would turn it down. However, sometimes clients do have a contraints when it comes to server setups, particularly those who are governmental or council based. As such we need to at least have an option on this. I imagine that if I''d have said ''yeah it''s fine to run on windows but we''ve found performance to be far better on *nix based systems'', it wouldn''t have been as much of a problem. Steve -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
> I imagine that if I''d > have said ''yeah it''s fine to run on windows but we''ve found performance > to be far better on *nix based systems'', it wouldn''t have been as much > of a problem.True, True. Kinda dug your self into a hole in that aspect ;) I for one have absolutely 0 experience using a windows box as a production server so I cant attest to its performance and what not but I am sure there are people on the list that have deployed apps on windows machines. Good luck friend. This might end up being a good experience that you could share with the rest of us. -mark --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I set up my test / corporate beta environment on a windows/apache/mongrel setup. I have a document on it at work. I''ll find the original link. Actually setting up the systems wasn''t particularly difficult....and the steps were detailed enough to allow a non-guru type to do it easily. I''ll post the link up here tomorrow when I find it at work. (I kept it since I need to deliver a slew of rails applications for work in the next 3-4 months. The windows environment allows me to beta the apps or the users easily and drop new builds with almost no effort. MudDawg -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
And then I took 30 seconds on google to find the pdf written by Brian Hogan on this. Here ya go: http://www.napcsweb.com/howto/rails/deployment/RailsWithApacheAndMongrel.pdf That should get you up and running inside of 2 hours pretty easily. MudDawg -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
We tried several different combinations of IIS, Apache, Webrick and Mongrel on Windows with a SQL Server backend. Apache and Mongrel packs has been the best configuration by far. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Definately. I haven''t tried IIS, but I did try Apache + FastCGI and was terribly disappointed. Now I have Apache + Mongrel sailing along just great. On 11/9/06, Dan Munk <danmunk-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > We tried several different combinations of IIS, Apache, Webrick and > Mongrel on Windows with a SQL Server backend. > > Apache and Mongrel packs has been the best configuration by far. > > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Yep, I''m running IIS, Apache, Coldfusion, and Mongrel on the same development box, no problems so far. Ron --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
If they aren''t willing to get another physical server, would they be willing to let you run VMWare and a virtual Linux server of some sort? If the server is beefy enough, you can allocate as many resources as you need to the virtual server. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Just FYI: Information on successful deployments will be included in the upcoming book "Agile Rails Deployment" from Pragmatic. I took my pdfs and updated them for inclusion in the book. IIS will not work but the solution we use is to reverse-proxy the aps through IIS using Mongrel and a plugin I created. It makes the Rails apps appear to exist within the IIS environment and would allow you to place the apps on the same box or on a dedicated Linux server. Feel free to contact me with questions. On 11/9/06, Bryan Duxbury <rails-mailing-list-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > If they aren''t willing to get another physical server, would they be > willing to let you run VMWare and a virtual Linux server of some sort? > If the server is beefy enough, you can allocate as many resources as you > need to the virtual server. > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Thanks to everyone for your replies. Unfortuantly I have a feeling from the client''s tone when we sent our damage control email, i think we''ve probably lost the contract. Hey ho - you live and learn :0) It''s great to address the issue though and I''ll definatly be checking out Brian''s method. We''ll be setting up a production-ready box to test the performance of Rails on Windows. Once we have some results I''ll post them up somewhere. Cheers, Steve -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Steve Bartholomew wrote:> out said "I wouldn''t really give Windows the time of day". They winced. > I back peddled.Never feel you have to apologize for Window''s short comings. Windows *is* unstable. We''d all be shocked if we knew the amount of companies that schedule daily/weekly reboots of their production servers simply to keep them alive for another week and to clean up the missing clumps of memory. I''ve personally seen in several places.> Anyway - it happens. I now need to prove whether or not Rails will be > stable on a production windows server.It won''t. I''ve been down that road and haven''t gotten Windows stable enough yet. I can get Windows stable for PHP, but I''ve yet to get it stable enough with Rails/Mongrel. I''ve seen Rails stability on Mac OS X and Linux but have yet to see it on Windows. My advice, seek another client. Next thing they will want the Rails app to talk to their .NET monster hiding in the closet... -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
@Robere: Sorry, I have to take issue with your comments: Windows is perfectly stable for Rails production. It''s not fast, but it''s stable. I wouldn''t recommend it as a first choice but if you are required to use it, it can work fine. It involves more work and a good foundation but it can be done. On 11/13/06, Robere Houseman <rails-mailing-list-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > Steve Bartholomew wrote: > > > out said "I wouldn''t really give Windows the time of day". They winced. > > I back peddled. > > Never feel you have to apologize for Window''s short comings. Windows > *is* unstable. We''d all be shocked if we knew the amount of companies > that schedule daily/weekly reboots of their production servers simply to > keep them alive for another week and to clean up the missing clumps of > memory. I''ve personally seen in several places. > > > Anyway - it happens. I now need to prove whether or not Rails will be > > stable on a production windows server. > > It won''t. I''ve been down that road and haven''t gotten Windows stable > enough yet. I can get Windows stable for PHP, but I''ve yet to get it > stable enough with Rails/Mongrel. I''ve seen Rails stability on Mac OS X > and Linux but have yet to see it on Windows. > > My advice, seek another client. Next thing they will want the Rails app > to talk to their .NET monster hiding in the closet... > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Is this a dupe posting? -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
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