Hello everyone I hope this is the right place to post this question. I
have all but eliminated all Microsoft servers in my current work
environment, expect two boxes, which are our PDC and BDC, they also are
the DNS, Dial in With Rocket Port Card, DHCP, Winslookup servers. I
would like to remove these NT boxes and replace them with a nice shiny
new Linux box running Samba. Reading some of the FAQ's on samba.org
about PDC and BDC has me a bit worried and wondering if I should wait
till version 3.0 of Samba is released. Since I saw in one documentation
that PDC will be fully enabled in that version. I am wondering if any
one has and success or horror stories with setting up a PDC with Samba.
My co workers will need to be able to do the following;
Log in from WIN98, WIN2K, NT 4.0 (and maybe at some point XP) *I am
afraid I will never be able to switch workstations to Linux and I am
stuck with Windows Products*
Change their password when it expires (with out having to log in to a
linux box)
Map Drives and of course access them.
Have Roaming Profiles
Share Printers that are hooked up to Jet Directs
Add new machines to the network with out me having to do anything on the
Linux box (such as with Win2k when you assign a new machine to the
network you give it the domain controller and your username and password
and it will add to it)
I will take care of adding new users when they come along or write a
script that does everything automaticly. I will also need the box to be
able to talk to a BDC and sync up with it. Which will be another Samba
box. I see this though in one of the FAQ's
"These things are not expected to work in the foreseeable future:
*
Trust relationships
*
PDC and BDC integration"
Which worries me a little. If anyone can provide good feedback such as
should I wait till version 3.0 of Samba comes out to try this or is this
not doable yet or good documentation or books on this subject I would
appreciate it. I plan on using 2.2.5 version of Samba to try this.
Thank you for your time, and if this is the wrong place to post this I
apologize.
Thanks for your response, that is the big thing I am worried about is having the PDC and the BDC talk to each other we have only needed to go to the BDC once in 7 years, but I don't think I can fly it by my boss telling them we will no longer have a BDC. Can you also have the Windows client add themselves to the domain with out you having to change anything on the Samba box? Did you find good documentation when you set it up? James Bear wrote:>I am using Samba 2.2.3a as a PDC. It does everything you ask if it would >do. I log in with W98, W2K, and WXP. It all works very well. I do not, >though, have a BDC. > > >James Bear >Montpelier Public School >322 Bailey Avenue >Montpelier, ND 58472 > >james.s.bear@sendit.nodak.edu >www.montpelier.k12.nd.us >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Quenten Griffith" <qgriffith@edm1.com> >To: <samba@lists.samba.org> >Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 8:51 AM >Subject: [Samba] PDC BDC should I or shouldn't I? > > > > >>Hello everyone I hope this is the right place to post this question. I >>have all but eliminated all Microsoft servers in my current work >>environment, expect two boxes, which are our PDC and BDC, they also are >>the DNS, Dial in With Rocket Port Card, DHCP, Winslookup servers. I >>would like to remove these NT boxes and replace them with a nice shiny >>new Linux box running Samba. Reading some of the FAQ's on samba.org >>about PDC and BDC has me a bit worried and wondering if I should wait >>till version 3.0 of Samba is released. Since I saw in one documentation >>that PDC will be fully enabled in that version. I am wondering if any >>one has and success or horror stories with setting up a PDC with Samba. >> My co workers will need to be able to do the following; >> >>Log in from WIN98, WIN2K, NT 4.0 (and maybe at some point XP) *I am >>afraid I will never be able to switch workstations to Linux and I am >>stuck with Windows Products* >> >>Change their password when it expires (with out having to log in to a >>linux box) >> >>Map Drives and of course access them. >> >>Have Roaming Profiles >> >>Share Printers that are hooked up to Jet Directs >> >>Add new machines to the network with out me having to do anything on the >>Linux box (such as with Win2k when you assign a new machine to the >>network you give it the domain controller and your username and password >>and it will add to it) >> >>I will take care of adding new users when they come along or write a >>script that does everything automaticly. I will also need the box to be >>able to talk to a BDC and sync up with it. Which will be another Samba >>box. I see this though in one of the FAQ's >> >>"These things are not expected to work in the foreseeable future: >> >> * >> >> Trust relationships >> >> * >> >> PDC and BDC integration" >> >>Which worries me a little. If anyone can provide good feedback such as >>should I wait till version 3.0 of Samba comes out to try this or is this >>not doable yet or good documentation or books on this subject I would >>appreciate it. I plan on using 2.2.5 version of Samba to try this. >>Thank you for your time, and if this is the wrong place to post this I >>apologize. >> >> >> >>-- >>To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the >>instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba >> >> >> > > >
I saw a paper a while ago on this list explaining how to simulate a samba BDC (unfortunately i don't remember a link ref or a title). the main idea was to have the samba BDC act as a DC, but with regular refreshes of the user database from the "true" PDC (using rsync or whatever), or using the "true" PDC as a remote password server, or a combination of both. you'd try and search this paper, such a solution should put your boss' mind at ease :-) A 10:29 18/07/02 -0400, vous avez ?crit :>Thanks for your response, that is the big thing I am worried about is >having the PDC and the BDC talk to each other we have only needed to go >to the BDC once in 7 years, but I don't think I can fly it by my boss >telling them we will no longer have a BDC. Can you also have the >Windows client add themselves to the domain with out you having to >change anything on the Samba box? Did you find good documentation when >you set it up? >James Bear wrote: > >>I am using Samba 2.2.3a as a PDC. It does everything you ask if it would >>do. I log in with W98, W2K, and WXP. It all works very well. I do not, >>though, have a BDC. >> >> >>James Bear >>Montpelier Public School >>322 Bailey Avenue >>Montpelier, ND 58472 >> >>james.s.bear@sendit.nodak.edu >>www.montpelier.k12.nd.us >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Quenten Griffith" <qgriffith@edm1.com> >>To: <samba@lists.samba.org> >>Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 8:51 AM >>Subject: [Samba] PDC BDC should I or shouldn't I? >> >> >> >> >>>Hello everyone I hope this is the right place to post this question. I >>>have all but eliminated all Microsoft servers in my current work >>>environment, expect two boxes, which are our PDC and BDC, they also are >>>the DNS, Dial in With Rocket Port Card, DHCP, Winslookup servers. I >>>would like to remove these NT boxes and replace them with a nice shiny >>>new Linux box running Samba. Reading some of the FAQ's on samba.org >>>about PDC and BDC has me a bit worried and wondering if I should wait >>>till version 3.0 of Samba is released. Since I saw in one documentation >>>that PDC will be fully enabled in that version. I am wondering if any >>>one has and success or horror stories with setting up a PDC with Samba. >>> My co workers will need to be able to do the following; >>> >>>Log in from WIN98, WIN2K, NT 4.0 (and maybe at some point XP) *I am >>>afraid I will never be able to switch workstations to Linux and I am >>>stuck with Windows Products* >>> >>>Change their password when it expires (with out having to log in to a >>>linux box) >>> >>>Map Drives and of course access them. >>> >>>Have Roaming Profiles >>> >>>Share Printers that are hooked up to Jet Directs >>> >>>Add new machines to the network with out me having to do anything on the >>>Linux box (such as with Win2k when you assign a new machine to the >>>network you give it the domain controller and your username and password >>>and it will add to it) >>> >>>I will take care of adding new users when they come along or write a >>>script that does everything automaticly. I will also need the box to be >>>able to talk to a BDC and sync up with it. Which will be another Samba >>>box. I see this though in one of the FAQ's >>> >>>"These things are not expected to work in the foreseeable future: >>> >>> * >>> >>> Trust relationships >>> >>> * >>> >>> PDC and BDC integration" >>> >>>Which worries me a little. If anyone can provide good feedback such as >>>should I wait till version 3.0 of Samba comes out to try this or is this >>>not doable yet or good documentation or books on this subject I would >>>appreciate it. I plan on using 2.2.5 version of Samba to try this. >>>Thank you for your time, and if this is the wrong place to post this I >>>apologize. >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the >>>instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > >-- >To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the >instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba > >- * - * - * - * - * - * - Bien s?r que je suis perfectionniste ! Mais ne pourrais-je pas l'?tre mieux ? Thierry ITTY eMail : Thierry.Itty@Besancon.org FRANCE
> Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:51:07 -0400 > From: Quenten Griffith <qgriffith@edm1.com> > To: samba@lists.samba.org > Subject: [Samba] PDC BDC should I or shouldn't I? > > Hello everyone I hope this is the right place to post this question. I > have all but eliminated all Microsoft servers in my current work > environment, expect two boxes, which are our PDC and BDC, they also are > the DNS, Dial in With Rocket Port Card, DHCP, Winslookup servers. I > would like to remove these NT boxes and replace them with a nice shiny > new Linux box running Samba. Reading some of the FAQ's on samba.org > about PDC and BDC has me a bit worried and wondering if I should wait > till version 3.0 of Samba is released. Since I saw in one documentation > that PDC will be fully enabled in that version. I am wondering if any > one has and success or horror stories with setting up a PDC with Samba. > My co workers will need to be able to do the following;We started out with a samba PDC, and we are currently in the process of adding a BDC, which will be done via LDAP. We have migrated our PDC to use LDAP, but need to finish up integration of user and machine addition with LDAP.> > Log in from WIN98, WIN2K, NT 4.0 (and maybe at some point XP) *I am > afraid I will never be able to switch workstations to Linux and I am > stuck with Windows Products*Well, getting your servers moved to linux makes it a lot easier to migrate desktops, since they can use NFS instead of smbfs.> > Change their password when it expires (with out having to log in to a > linux box)Changing the password is no problem, I have just had problems with the password then no being unexpired ....> > Map Drives and of course access them. >No problem.> Have Roaming ProfilesNo problem.> > Share Printers that are hooked up to Jet Directs >No problem.> Add new machines to the network with out me having to do anything on the > Linux box (such as with Win2k when you assign a new machine to the > network you give it the domain controller and your username and password > and it will add to it)With samba using LDAP for password storage, any domain admin can add a machine. Using an smbpasswd file, you have to have a root account, which must be used when adding users or machines to the domain.> > I will take care of adding new users when they come along or write a > script that does everything automaticly. I will also need the box to be > able to talk to a BDC and sync up with it. Which will be another Samba > box. I see this though in one of the FAQ's > > "These things are not expected to work in the foreseeable future: > > * > > Trust relationships > > * > > PDC and BDC integration"This refers to integration with Windows PDC/BDCs.> > Which worries me a little. If anyone can provide good feedback such as > should I wait till version 3.0 of Samba comes out to try this or is this > not doable yet or good documentation or books on this subject I would > appreciate it. I plan on using 2.2.5 version of Samba to try this. > Thank you for your time, and if this is the wrong place to post this I > apologize.2.2.5 should work acceptably for your purposes, but only with samba storing accounts in LDAP (since with smbpasswd you can not set the RID, so permissions on the desktops will be stuffed. Buchan. -- |----------------Registered Linux User #182071-----------------| Buchan Milne Mechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work +27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7