Xen users - Feb 2008 - Building 3.2 on debian

Just for reference, I thought I''d document the debian
packages I''ve needed to install to get "make world" to
work (starting with a minimal network install of debian).

The packages seem to correspond to dependencies mentioned
in the README: gcc, libc6-dev, zlib1g-dev, python-all-dev,
libncurses5-dev, libssl-dev, libx11-dev, bridge-utils.

Then there are all the dependencies I discovered during
the many build attempts: gawk, gettext, pciutils-dev,
tetex-base, tetex-bin, tetex-brev, tetex-doc, tetex-extra,
tetex-frogg, tetex-frogg-doc, transfig, graphviz

Perhaps not all of these are necessary, I tended to install
lots of related stuff "just in case" once I encountered
something missing. Odds are good that most of these are
only needed for building the docs.

I''m still building, but this may be a complete list (unless
something new turns up - but I was really close to getting
everything built in the last build :-).

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On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 15:45:10 -0500
Tom Horsley <tom.horsley@att.net> wrote:
> Then there are all the dependencies I discovered during
> the many build attempts: gawk, gettext, pciutils-dev,
> tetex-base, tetex-bin, tetex-brev, tetex-doc, tetex-extra,
> tetex-frogg, tetex-frogg-doc, transfig, graphviz
> ...
> I''m still building, but this may be a complete list (unless
> something new turns up - but I was really close to getting
> everything built in the last build :-).
Nope, wasn''t looking close enough. I do need the "bcc"
package
for the firmware build. Obviously I''m gonna need to go through
the 1 meg output file from the build with a fine-tooth comb
to see what else I''m missing :-).

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On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 15:45 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote:
> Just for reference, I thought I''d document the debian
> packages I''ve needed to install to get "make world" to
> work (starting with a minimal network install of debian).
> 
> The packages seem to correspond to dependencies mentioned
> in the README: gcc, libc6-dev, zlib1g-dev, python-all-dev,
> libncurses5-dev, libssl-dev, libx11-dev, bridge-utils.
These are quite outdated and never updated since 3.0.0
> Then there are all the dependencies I discovered during
> the many build attempts: gawk, gettext, pciutils-dev,
> tetex-base, tetex-bin, tetex-brev, tetex-doc, tetex-extra,
> tetex-frogg, tetex-frogg-doc, transfig, graphviz
As you said in another mail, for completeness: bcc is needed, too, plus,
here is what I once figured out (last tested with 3.0.4 or something, I
guess, as I resorted to user pre-built package some months ago):

python-dev
bcc
binutils-static
transfig
swig
gcc
zlib1g-dev
python-dev
binutils
transfig
ncurses-dev
tetex-base
tetex-extra
gs-common
bin86
ghostscript
libvncserver-dev
libsdl1.2-dev
libncurses5-dev
graphviz

Not all are required for all useage scenario''s (e.g.) some can be left
off if you don''t intend to run hvm domains, or graphical stuff, or if
you don''t need the docs.
> Perhaps not all of these are necessary, I tended to install
> lots of related stuff "just in case" once I encountered
> something missing. Odds are good that most of these are
> only needed for building the docs.
> 
> I''m still building, but this may be a complete list (unless
> something new turns up - but I was really close to getting
> everything built in the last build :-).
Might be a good idea to beg the developers to add the (final) list of
deb packages needed to build into the README of te sources.

This is a problem/misssing documentation since ever I know Xen, and it
costed me and obviously everybody who ever tried to build it ages of
time.
A small change for one developer with committ access to the README - a
big spare of time (that could be invested in helping the project
otherwise) for many source-builders...

I also have somewhere the list of packages needed to build on Fedora and
OpenSuse (also, tested with 3.0.4, but better than nothing). As soon as
someone with the necessary commit rights says he is willing to add that
info, I will llok the other package lists up!

Henning


BTW: yes I know, we''re building the engine here, and not the car, so
it''s not for end users, but think of how many engineers can help
building the car if not everybody has to figure which screws are needed
on his own, but instead it is documented once, and updated everytime
somebody adds a new screw to the plan...


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NAG!

Is there really nobody with commit rights on the README interested in
changing this?

Quite some users regularly compile new build dependency lists, and it''s
regularly sent to this list here, but never anything changes.

This leads to a waste of precious time on hundreds of people per week
who try to build Xen from sources.

Is it an organizational intention to make building Xen from source as
hard as possible, or is it just not recognized how bad this is for the
people trying to get started with this?

Please let me know when I start to become annoying, but I am really a
bit disapponted about the lack of feedback in that matters.

Henning


On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 11:07 +0100, Henning Sprang wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 15:45 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote:
> > Just for reference, I thought I''d document the debian
> > packages I''ve needed to install to get "make world"
to
> > work (starting with a minimal network install of debian).
> > 
> > The packages seem to correspond to dependencies mentioned
> > in the README: gcc, libc6-dev, zlib1g-dev, python-all-dev,
> > libncurses5-dev, libssl-dev, libx11-dev, bridge-utils.
> 
> These are quite outdated and never updated since 3.0.0
> 
> > Then there are all the dependencies I discovered during
> > the many build attempts: gawk, gettext, pciutils-dev,
> > tetex-base, tetex-bin, tetex-brev, tetex-doc, tetex-extra,
> > tetex-frogg, tetex-frogg-doc, transfig, graphviz
> 
> As you said in another mail, for completeness: bcc is needed, too, plus,
> here is what I once figured out (last tested with 3.0.4 or something, I
> guess, as I resorted to user pre-built package some months ago):
> 
> python-dev
> bcc
> binutils-static
> transfig
> swig
> gcc
> zlib1g-dev
> python-dev
> binutils
> transfig
> ncurses-dev
> tetex-base
> tetex-extra
> gs-common
> bin86
> ghostscript
> libvncserver-dev
> libsdl1.2-dev
> libncurses5-dev
> graphviz
> 
> Not all are required for all useage scenario''s (e.g.) some can be
left
> off if you don''t intend to run hvm domains, or graphical stuff, or
if
> you don''t need the docs.
> 
> > Perhaps not all of these are necessary, I tended to install
> > lots of related stuff "just in case" once I encountered
> > something missing. Odds are good that most of these are
> > only needed for building the docs.
> > 
> > I''m still building, but this may be a complete list (unless
> > something new turns up - but I was really close to getting
> > everything built in the last build :-).
> 
> Might be a good idea to beg the developers to add the (final) list of
> deb packages needed to build into the README of te sources.
> 
> This is a problem/misssing documentation since ever I know Xen, and it
> costed me and obviously everybody who ever tried to build it ages of
> time.
> A small change for one developer with committ access to the README - a
> big spare of time (that could be invested in helping the project
> otherwise) for many source-builders...
> 
> I also have somewhere the list of packages needed to build on Fedora and
> OpenSuse (also, tested with 3.0.4, but better than nothing). As soon as
> someone with the necessary commit rights says he is willing to add that
> info, I will llok the other package lists up!
> 
> Henning
> 
> 
> BTW: yes I know, we''re building the engine here, and not the car,
so
> it''s not for end users, but think of how many engineers can help
> building the car if not everybody has to figure which screws are needed
> on his own, but instead it is documented once, and updated everytime
> somebody adds a new screw to the plan...
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Xen-users mailing list
> Xen-users@lists.xensource.com
> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users

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If someone sends a patch I''ll check it in. It would be good if the
packages
which are optional would be indicated (and what cannot be built if they are
not installed). E.g., tetex, transfig, graphviz only needed for
documentation; swig only needed for xenapi bindings (which additionally need
to be manually enabled in the build via LIBXENAPI_BINDINGS=y).

Actually the build will succeed without most of the things on your list, and
yield a functional base system.

 -- Keir

On 5/2/08 16:25, "Henning Sprang" <henning_sprang@gmx.de> wrote:
> NAG!
> 
> Is there really nobody with commit rights on the README interested in
> changing this?
> 
> Quite some users regularly compile new build dependency lists, and
it''s
> regularly sent to this list here, but never anything changes.
> 
> This leads to a waste of precious time on hundreds of people per week
> who try to build Xen from sources.
> 
> Is it an organizational intention to make building Xen from source as
> hard as possible, or is it just not recognized how bad this is for the
> people trying to get started with this?
> 
> Please let me know when I start to become annoying, but I am really a
> bit disapponted about the lack of feedback in that matters.
> 
> Henning
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 11:07 +0100, Henning Sprang wrote:
>> On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 15:45 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote:
>>> Just for reference, I thought I''d document the debian
>>> packages I''ve needed to install to get "make
world" to
>>> work (starting with a minimal network install of debian).
>>> 
>>> The packages seem to correspond to dependencies mentioned
>>> in the README: gcc, libc6-dev, zlib1g-dev, python-all-dev,
>>> libncurses5-dev, libssl-dev, libx11-dev, bridge-utils.
>> 
>> These are quite outdated and never updated since 3.0.0
>> 
>>> Then there are all the dependencies I discovered during
>>> the many build attempts: gawk, gettext, pciutils-dev,
>>> tetex-base, tetex-bin, tetex-brev, tetex-doc, tetex-extra,
>>> tetex-frogg, tetex-frogg-doc, transfig, graphviz
>> 
>> As you said in another mail, for completeness: bcc is needed, too,
plus,
>> here is what I once figured out (last tested with 3.0.4 or something, I
>> guess, as I resorted to user pre-built package some months ago):
>> 
>> python-dev
>> bcc
>> binutils-static
>> transfig
>> swig
>> gcc
>> zlib1g-dev
>> python-dev
>> binutils
>> transfig
>> ncurses-dev
>> tetex-base
>> tetex-extra
>> gs-common
>> bin86
>> ghostscript
>> libvncserver-dev
>> libsdl1.2-dev
>> libncurses5-dev
>> graphviz
>> 
>> Not all are required for all useage scenario''s (e.g.) some can
be left
>> off if you don''t intend to run hvm domains, or graphical
stuff, or if
>> you don''t need the docs.
>> 
>>> Perhaps not all of these are necessary, I tended to install
>>> lots of related stuff "just in case" once I encountered
>>> something missing. Odds are good that most of these are
>>> only needed for building the docs.
>>> 
>>> I''m still building, but this may be a complete list
(unless
>>> something new turns up - but I was really close to getting
>>> everything built in the last build :-).
>> 
>> Might be a good idea to beg the developers to add the (final) list of
>> deb packages needed to build into the README of te sources.
>> 
>> This is a problem/misssing documentation since ever I know Xen, and it
>> costed me and obviously everybody who ever tried to build it ages of
>> time.
>> A small change for one developer with committ access to the README - a
>> big spare of time (that could be invested in helping the project
>> otherwise) for many source-builders...
>> 
>> I also have somewhere the list of packages needed to build on Fedora
and
>> OpenSuse (also, tested with 3.0.4, but better than nothing). As soon as
>> someone with the necessary commit rights says he is willing to add that
>> info, I will llok the other package lists up!
>> 
>> Henning
>> 
>> 
>> BTW: yes I know, we''re building the engine here, and not the
car, so
>> it''s not for end users, but think of how many engineers can
help
>> building the car if not everybody has to figure which screws are needed
>> on his own, but instead it is documented once, and updated everytime
>> somebody adds a new screw to the plan...
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Xen-users mailing list
>> Xen-users@lists.xensource.com
>> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
> 
> 
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