Thought I post this question here: Is there an open source alternative to VMware Player. I know it''s a free product BUT would like to know if there is any known other open source alternatives. Thanks in advance for your comments! Joe _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 07:28:56PM -0400, Joe Lee wrote:> Thought I post this question here: Is there an open source alternative > to VMware Player. I know it''s a free product BUT would like to know if > there is any known other open source alternatives. Thanks in advance for > your comments!Qemu. But this isn''t a Xen question. - Matt -- A byte walks into a bar and orders a pint. Bartender asks him "What''s wrong?" The byte says "Parity error." Bartender nods and says "Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off." _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
QEmu (http://www.qemu.org) Or if you''re on a PPC or Intel Mac, take a look at Q: http://www.kberg.ch/q/ (Q is basically a release of QEmu that''s had a nifty Mac GUI put on it) QEmu has an optional binary-only accelerator module that will boost the speed significantly but is closed-source (for now). There''s an open source accelerator for Qemu called QVM86 but it''s less advanced. Cheers, Mark On Apr 20 2006, Joe Lee wrote:>Thought I post this question here: Is there an open source alternative >to VMware Player. I know it''s a free product BUT would like to know if >there is any known other open source alternatives. Thanks in advance for >your comments! > >Joe > >_______________________________________________ >Xen-users mailing list >Xen-users@lists.xensource.com >http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users >_______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Thanks for the info! I demo''d qemu and while it works o.k, I don''t think better then VMplayer. It got someways to go - I''ll keep my eye on it! Though it would be nice for XEN team to come up with a solution like that of VMware Player M.A. Williamson wrote:> QEmu (http://www.qemu.org) > > Or if you''re on a PPC or Intel Mac, take a look at Q: > http://www.kberg.ch/q/ > > (Q is basically a release of QEmu that''s had a nifty Mac GUI put on it) > > QEmu has an optional binary-only accelerator module that will boost > the speed significantly but is closed-source (for now). There''s an > open source accelerator for Qemu called QVM86 but it''s less advanced. > > Cheers, > Mark > > On Apr 20 2006, Joe Lee wrote: > >> Thought I post this question here: Is there an open source >> alternative to VMware Player. I know it''s a free product BUT would >> like to know if there is any known other open source alternatives. >> Thanks in advance for your comments! >> >> Joe >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xen-users mailing list >> Xen-users@lists.xensource.com >> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users >> >_______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
>Thanks for the info! I demo''d qemu and while it works o.k, I don''t think >better then VMplayer. It got someways to go - I''ll keep my eye on it!It has some pretty nifty features, including compatibility with (single file) VMware virtual disks and (I think) Virtual PC virtual disks, as well as it''s own copy on write format (so you can snapshot the disk state at various points). The main disadvantage is probably speed, but with the current (in beta) accelerator module there is a substantial speedup - did you try this? The other disadvantage is the GUI - it''s not very friendly. There are some wrappers for starting QEmu from a GUI but basically it''s waiting for somebody industrious to create a proper GTK or QT GUI with VMware Player type functionality.>Though it would be nice for XEN team to come up with a solution like >that of VMware PlayerIt would indeed. Unfortunately Xen needs to be installed and booted into before you can run Xen domains. Once Xen becomes more pervasive (lots of distros are starting to ship it) it''ll probably make sense to have a player / workstation style GUI for people who are running Xen on a single system. This could be very nice - especially once Vanderpool / Pacifica hardware becomes commonplace. There are lots of little tricks you can do to make the tools nice. Scrapbook for UML allows you to click on a hyperlink to a running UML virtual machine and have that VM appear with a virtual display on your computer. This can be used (for instance) to demo software - click a link on the vendor''s homepage and get a virtual machine with the product up and running. If you don''t like it, just ditch that VM. If you do, then install the software properly. Pretty neat, and there are lots of possibilities too. Cheers, mark> > >M.A. Williamson wrote: >> QEmu (http://www.qemu.org) >> >> Or if you''re on a PPC or Intel Mac, take a look at Q: >> http://www.kberg.ch/q/ >> >> (Q is basically a release of QEmu that''s had a nifty Mac GUI put on it) >> >> QEmu has an optional binary-only accelerator module that will boost >> the speed significantly but is closed-source (for now). There''s an >> open source accelerator for Qemu called QVM86 but it''s less advanced. >> >> Cheers, >> Mark >> >> On Apr 20 2006, Joe Lee wrote: >> >>> Thought I post this question here: Is there an open source >>> alternative to VMware Player. I know it''s a free product BUT would >>> like to know if there is any known other open source alternatives. >>> Thanks in advance for your comments! >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xen-users mailing list >>> Xen-users@lists.xensource.com >>> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users >>> >> >_______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
M.A. Williamson wrote:>> Thanks for the info! I demo''d qemu and while it works o.k, I don''t >> think better then VMplayer. It got someways to go - I''ll keep my eye >> on it! > > It has some pretty nifty features, including compatibility with > (single file) VMware virtual disks and (I think) Virtual PC virtual > disks, as well as it''s own copy on write format (so you can snapshot > the disk state at various points). > > The main disadvantage is probably speed, but with the current (in > beta) accelerator module there is a substantial speedup - did you try > this? > > The other disadvantage is the GUI - it''s not very friendly. There are > some wrappers for starting QEmu from a GUI but basically it''s waiting > for somebody industrious to create a proper GTK or QT GUI with VMware > Player type functionality.Sort of like http://qemu.codemonkey.ws/screenshots/main-window.png I don''t think Fabrice likes the idea of integrating a GTK GUI into QEmu though. Exposing a proper VNC display could be a viable solution though (especially now that QEmu has a proper absolute mouse).>> Though it would be nice for XEN team to come up with a solution like >> that of VMware Player > > It would indeed. Unfortunately Xen needs to be installed and booted > into before you can run Xen domains. Once Xen becomes more pervasive > (lots of distros are starting to ship it) it''ll probably make sense to > have a player / workstation style GUI for people who are running Xen > on a single system. This could be very nice - especially once > Vanderpool / Pacifica hardware becomes commonplace.Actually, there are other alternatives. One could write a kernel module that implemented enough of the Xen hypercall interface such that you could run a Xen guest on a normal Linux kernel. Then it''s just a matter of creating a GUI. Regards, Anthony Liguori> There are lots of little tricks you can do to make the tools nice. > Scrapbook for UML allows you to click on a hyperlink to a running UML > virtual machine and have that VM appear with a virtual display on your > computer. This can be used (for instance) to demo software - click a > link on the vendor''s homepage and get a virtual machine with the > product up and running. If you don''t like it, just ditch that VM. If > you do, then install the software properly. Pretty neat, and there are > lots of possibilities too. > > Cheers, > mark > >> >> >> M.A. Williamson wrote: >>> QEmu (http://www.qemu.org) >>> >>> Or if you''re on a PPC or Intel Mac, take a look at Q: >>> http://www.kberg.ch/q/ >>> >>> (Q is basically a release of QEmu that''s had a nifty Mac GUI put on it) >>> >>> QEmu has an optional binary-only accelerator module that will boost >>> the speed significantly but is closed-source (for now). There''s an >>> open source accelerator for Qemu called QVM86 but it''s less advanced. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Mark >>> >>> On Apr 20 2006, Joe Lee wrote: >>> >>>> Thought I post this question here: Is there an open source >>>> alternative to VMware Player. I know it''s a free product BUT would >>>> like to know if there is any known other open source alternatives. >>>> Thanks in advance for your comments! >>>> >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xen-users mailing list >>>> Xen-users@lists.xensource.com >>>> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users >>>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Xen-users mailing list > Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users_______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
> Sort of like http://qemu.codemonkey.ws/screenshots/main-window.png > > I don''t think Fabrice likes the idea of integrating a GTK GUI into QEmu > though. Exposing a proper VNC display could be a viable solution though > (especially now that QEmu has a proper absolute mouse).Actually, I thought he did like the idea of a GTK gui - ISTR him saying it''d be a good idea. No idea how much integration he''d want, but has he not merged a Cocoa display layer already? Using VNC seems a bit unfortunate when you''re on the same system, although I guess it''s not going to hurt the performance of the Cirrus VGA emulation that much and does give network transparency...> Actually, there are other alternatives. One could write a kernel module > that implemented enough of the Xen hypercall interface such that you > could run a Xen guest on a normal Linux kernel. > > Then it''s just a matter of creating a GUI.Mmmmm, yes. I was thinking along the lines of something that could be implemented a bit more straightforwardly, but I certainly think the idea of a Xen kernel module deserves examination. Some company has, in fact, already implemented what you describe. But they reimplement Xen rather than porting it to run as a module. Personally, I''d like to see Xen ported to the CoLinux framework, allowing it to run co-operatively as a module in both Windows and Linux (and maybe MacOS if one day they implement a CoLinux interface for Darwin). Cheers, Mark> Regards, > > Anthony Liguori > > > There are lots of little tricks you can do to make the tools nice. > > Scrapbook for UML allows you to click on a hyperlink to a running UML > > virtual machine and have that VM appear with a virtual display on your > > computer. This can be used (for instance) to demo software - click a > > link on the vendor''s homepage and get a virtual machine with the > > product up and running. If you don''t like it, just ditch that VM. If > > you do, then install the software properly. Pretty neat, and there are > > lots of possibilities too. > > > > Cheers, > > mark > > > >> M.A. Williamson wrote: > >>> QEmu (http://www.qemu.org) > >>> > >>> Or if you''re on a PPC or Intel Mac, take a look at Q: > >>> http://www.kberg.ch/q/ > >>> > >>> (Q is basically a release of QEmu that''s had a nifty Mac GUI put on it) > >>> > >>> QEmu has an optional binary-only accelerator module that will boost > >>> the speed significantly but is closed-source (for now). There''s an > >>> open source accelerator for Qemu called QVM86 but it''s less advanced. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Mark > >>> > >>> On Apr 20 2006, Joe Lee wrote: > >>>> Thought I post this question here: Is there an open source > >>>> alternative to VMware Player. I know it''s a free product BUT would > >>>> like to know if there is any known other open source alternatives. > >>>> Thanks in advance for your comments! > >>>> > >>>> Joe > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Xen-users mailing list > >>>> Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > >>>> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xen-users mailing list > > Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users-- Dave: Just a question. What use is a unicyle with no seat? And no pedals! Mark: To answer a question with a question: What use is a skateboard? Dave: Skateboards have wheels. Mark: My wheel has a wheel! _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users