Hi all, Have trouble encoding / playing back OGG using WinAmp + plugin. I encoded the files from .WAV with Ogg drop RC2. Seems to be ok. When I try and play them back though I get very very weird sound effects (some kind of "wobbling", some bass frequencies that are usually in the background seem to get more emphasised and they seem to have some kind of strange echo / reverb to it aswell. All in and it seems like the track plays itself twice, once normal (I can hear the song as it is supposed to be heard) and one like somekind of "overlay" on top of the original file that has the above mentioned artifacts. Anyone have a suggestion what might be the cause, I mean is it my hardware or is the file not encoded correctly? Software used: CdEx (CDA --> WAV) OggDrop RC2 (WAV --> Ogg) The official Ogg plugin for Winamp Win98SE Hardware used: Sony CD-ROM player Soundblaster Live P3, 500Mhz, 256MBRam Regards, Mark -- Mark de Bokx Internet Service Engineer ICT Communication and Media Services PlanetMediaGroup the Netherlands "Reality is for people who lack imagination." --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
On 2001-11-26, Mark de Bokx wrote:> Hi all, > > Have trouble encoding / playing back OGG using WinAmp + plugin. I encoded > the files from .WAV with Ogg drop RC2. Seems to be ok. When I try and play > them back though I get very very weird sound effects (some kind of > "wobbling", some bass frequencies that are usually in the background seem to > get more emphasised and they seem to have some kind of strange echo / reverb > to it aswell. All in and it seems like the track plays itself twice, once > normal (I can hear the song as it is supposed to be heard) and one like > somekind of "overlay" on top of the original file that has the above > mentioned artifacts. Anyone have a suggestion what might be the cause, I > mean is it my hardware or is the file not encoded correctly? >If it's your hardware it should show up also on playing the original wavs. Also try decoding the vorbis file back into a .wav (e.g. with one of winamp's diskwriter plugins, CDex, etc.) and play back the encoded wav versus the original.> Software used: > CdEx (CDA --> WAV)Last version is 1.40 beta 9, it's the first that uses RC2 vorbis encoder. It also has support for winamp plugins (don't know since when), I don't remember if it can play, decode to wav or both; it comes with older versions of winamp vorbis plugin, just copy the latest from winamp.> OggDrop RC2 (WAV --> Ogg) > The official Ogg plugin for WinampPeter's 1.16?> Win98SE > > Hardware used: > Sony CD-ROM player > Soundblaster Live > P3, 500Mhz, 256MBRam > > Regards, > > Mark > -- > Mark de Bokx > Internet Service Engineer > ICT Communication and Media Services > PlanetMediaGroup > the Netherlands > > "Reality is for people who lack imagination." > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. >-- Beni Cherniavsky <cben@tx.technion.ac.il> (also scben@t2 in Technion) --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
>If it's your hardware it should show up also on playing the original wavs. >Also try decoding the vorbis file back into a .wav (e.g. with one of >winamp's diskwriter plugins, CDex, etc.) and play back the encoded wav >versus the original.Ermmm it doenst happen with the orignal .WAV. I could encode the same WAV file easily in RealMedia, MP3 and WindowsMedia without the weird stuff that happened here.>Last version is 1.40 beta 9, it's the first that uses RC2 vorbis encoder. >It also has support for winamp plugins (don't know since when), I don't >remember if it can play, decode to wav or both; it comes with older >versions of winamp vorbis plugin, just copy the latest from winamp.I know, I used the beta8 version. With CdEx I used the "encode on the fly" option, it had the same results as using Oggdrop RC2. Ermm come to think of it...I wanted to code in CBR (strict) is that at all possible? I just want to put up a very unscientific codec comparison of just one file and imho this is not complete when I dont use OGG :) (until now I have Real, Windows, MP3 up and running, I will also do Qdesign Music codec to please the Apple crowd). Bandwiths are 32Kbps and 96Kbps, later on I will add 128Kbps also. See: http://the.unreachable.org> The official Ogg plugin for Winamp > Peter's 1.16?Dunno which version, I downloaded it from the Vorbis site (that redirects to the WinAmp site)./ I am using WinAmp 2.77 If the coding and all is succesfull and I like how the Ogg's sound I will start using it as favorite format. Anyway any suggestion is welcome, I have to solve this because I wanne put that shit on my website asap (to prove some people wrong about the overall sound quality of OGG) Regards, Mark -- Mark de Bokx Internet Service Engineer ICT Communication and Media Services PlanetMediaGroup the Netherlands "Reality is for people who lack imagination." --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
>Maybe make a small sample of the wav and upload it somewhere. Maybe >you've discovered a bug. Does it happen to all your files systematicallyHrmmmm in my anger (and my lack of time to investigate further ;) I deleted it all...ermmm have to take a look if I still have the WAV file. The Oggs endend up in the bitbucket I'm afraid. Thanks for all the options you guys gave. I will investigate and try agian tonite as for now I'm at work and I can't do shit on this NT box they gave me as a workstation :( Regards, Mark -- Mark de Bokx Internet Service Engineer ICT Communication and Media Services PlanetMediaGroup the Netherlands "Reality is for people who lack imagination." -----Original Message----- From: Beni Cherniavksy [mailto:cben@techunix.technion.ac.il] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 2:38 PM To: 'vorbis@xiph.org' Subject: RE: [vorbis] Encoding or Playback problem? On 2001-11-26, Mark de Bokx wrote:> > >If it's your hardware it should show up also on playing the originalwavs.> >Also try decoding the vorbis file back into a .wav (e.g. with one of > >winamp's diskwriter plugins, CDex, etc.) and play back the encoded wav > >versus the original. > > Ermmm it doenst happen with the orignal .WAV. I could encode the same WAV > file easily in RealMedia, MP3 and WindowsMedia without the weird stuffthat> happened here. >Looks like vorbis related software, question is whether this is in ecdoded vorbis file or in winamp plyer. Do try to decode to wav and play the wav.> >Last version is 1.40 beta 9, it's the first that uses RC2 vorbis encoder. > >It also has support for winamp plugins (don't know since when), I don't > >remember if it can play, decode to wav or both; it comes with older > >versions of winamp vorbis plugin, just copy the latest from winamp. > > I know, I used the beta8 version. With CdEx I used the "encode on the fly" > option, it had the same results as using Oggdrop RC2. Ermm come to thinkof> it...I wanted to code in CBR (strict) is that at all possible?Not yet and strict CBR - never. Not evn MP3 does strict CBR, it has "bit reservoir" tricks which is just limited ABR. Vorbis should include a true bitrate managment engine in RC3 which will give you choice from ABR (with settable limits, currently limits are ignored) to true (quality-based) VBR. AFAIK ;).> I just want > to put up a very unscientific codec comparison of just one file and imho > this is not complete when I dont use OGG :) (until now I have Real,Windows,> MP3 up and running, I will also do Qdesign Music codec to please the Apple > crowd). Bandwiths are 32Kbps and 96Kbps, later on I will add 128Kbps also. > > See: http://the.unreachable.org > > > > The official Ogg plugin for Winamp > > Peter's 1.16? > > Dunno which version, I downloaded it from the Vorbis site (that redirectsto> the WinAmp site)./ I am using WinAmp 2.77 >Open winamp settings, input plugins, you should see it in the "Nullsoft Vorbis decoder" name, if not select it and hit "about". But it played well for some time already anyway...> If the coding and all is succesfull and I like how the Ogg's sound I will > start using it as favorite format. > > Anyway any suggestion is welcome, I have to solve this because I wanne put > that shit on my website asap (to prove some people wrong about the overall > sound quality of OGG) >?> Regards, > > > Mark > -- > Mark de Bokx > Internet Service Engineer > ICT Communication and Media Services > PlanetMediaGroup > the Netherlands > > "Reality is for people who lack imagination." > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. >-- Beni Cherniavsky <cben@tx.technion.ac.il> (also scben@t2 in Technion) --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.