joel@school.net writes:> So how about this? Who is recording in >2 channels? > > Neil Young may be-- he has been in the news recently for > advocating DVD multichannel music, especially for recording > live shows and playing them on home theater systems with > surround sound, bass booster, rear speakers, etc. > > Maybe he could be a great advocate for Vorbis?About a year ago, I heard an interview with Neil Young (who lives in Woodside, just north of Silicon Valley) on a local radio station (KFOG), during he was asked for his thoughts about the MP3 phenomenon and digital music in general. His answer -- which he repeated over and over again -- was essentially that MP3 sucked, because the quality degradation was instantly audible and totally unacceptable. Curiously, he said nothing at all about bitrates, various encoders, or any other relevant technical details, even though he had plenty of opportunity to do so. I remember thinking that for someone whose ears are probably somewhat trashed from playing on stages for ~30 years (unless he was absolutely meticulous from day one about hearing protection, I'd be willing to bet he has at least some tinnitus in both ears), that was an awfully curious position to take. After some thought it seemed likely that he was simply being disingenuous, since someone from his record label probably convinced him that unless he started shouting "MP3 is bad! MP3 is inferior! MP3 sucks" from the rooftops at every opportunity, his record sales could suffer. I'd hope he isn't that naive, but it certainly appeared that way to me from the interview. -Ferris --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
At 03:48 22/06/01 -0700, you wrote:>Hello, Joel, could you tell me where I could buy this book? > >At 21:09 20/06/01 -0700, you wrote: >> > "Craig Dickson" <crdic@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > As I said, if the next version gives us 128kbps MP3 quality at only >> > 80kbps, I think it is a compelling reason. Probably not compelling >> > enough to replace MP3 completely, but enough to gain wider acceptance. >> >>There's a solid book about this called "Crossing The Chasm". >> >>It is about how to solve many hurdles of bringing a technical product >>like the Vorbis format from the technophiles to the widespread audience. >> >>IMHO it is worth reading, especially because people like us really do need >>the widespread audience-- to get hardware makers like Rio to adopt Vorbis. >> >>Have people here read it? What do you think? >> >>Cheers, >> >>Joel______________________________________________________________________________ ifrance.com, l'email gratuit le plus complet de l'Internet ! vos emails depuis un navigateur, en POP3, sur Minitel, sur le WAP... http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/email.emailif --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Geoff Shang wrote :> On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Craig Dickson wrote: > > Other than that, the differences between Ogg and MP3 are mostly not > > "we can do this, they can't", but rather, "we can do it better", which > > is a much less compelling argument to the consumer in the face of an > > established standard. > > OK, you got me thinking now. Well OK Vorbis can do more than 2 channels.So can MPEG 2 layer II.> This is not such a big deal now but it's likely to become so. One other > thing Vorbis has over MP3 is that you can have songs at different > bitrates/sampling rates in a stream and the player will just cope. Again, > something that will probably impact upon the consumer indirectly but ...MP3 can handle changing bitrate too ( it is called VBR :-) I can probably also handle sampling rate changes, but I guess most player don't support it.> Anyone think of anything else? > > Geoff.-- David Balazic -------------- "Be excellent to each other." - Bill & Ted - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
David Balazic a écrit:> > OK, you got me thinking now. Well OK Vorbis can do more than 2 channels. > > So can MPEG 2 layer II.A question I wonder about since long time ago: Why shouldn't we replace MPEG-1 layer 3 (mp3) with MPEG-2 layer 3 (mpa?)? --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.