samba - Apr 2008 - Samba 3.2.0-pre3 packages in Debian - version of Samba in Debian lenny

The day after Karolin announced the release of 3.2.0-pre3, the Debian
packaging team was able to upload .deb packages for it in Debian
*experimental*.

To use them, you need to already use Debian testing or unstable, then
add this to /etc/apt/sources.list:

deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian experimental main contrib non-free
(replace "fr" by your favorite mirror country code)


If you do so, it is recommended to add:

APT::Default-Release "unstable";

to /etc/apt/preferences...
(replace with "testing" if you're using testing)


You can then install the 3.2.0 packages with:
apt-get install -t experimental samba


PS: these packages should be usable for Ubuntu Hardy users (untested,
though). You might want to replace "unstable" by "hardy" in
/etc/apt/preferences, then.

News about Samba in Debian lenny
--------------------------------

Debian lenny is due out for September 2008. From the news we currently
have, it seems wiser to stick with 3.0.28a rather than a quite
disruptive and uncertain 3.2.0.... This is currently the plan of the
packaging team for Samba in Debian (and Ubuntu).

We will do our best to offer 3.2.0 packages for lenny on the
backports.org server.

Ubuntu Hardy will have 3.0.28a and the same is likely to be true for
hardy+1 (8.10 or so).

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Christian Perrier wrote:

| News about Samba in Debian lenny
| --------------------------------
|
| Debian lenny is due out for September 2008. From the news we currently
| have, it seems wiser to stick with 3.0.28a rather than a quite
| disruptive and uncertain 3.2.0.... This is currently the plan of the
| packaging team for Samba in Debian (and Ubuntu).
|
| We will do our best to offer 3.2.0 packages for lenny on the
| backports.org server.
|
| Ubuntu Hardy will have 3.0.28a and the same is likely to be true for
| hardy+1 (8.10 or so).

Christian, I really disagree here.  What made you com to
the decision that 3.0 is batter for a September Debian
release?






cheers, jerry
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On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 01:54:26PM +0200, Christian Perrier
wrote:
> Debian lenny is due out for September 2008. From the news we currently
> have, it seems wiser to stick with 3.0.28a rather than a quite
3.0.28a has known bugs in particular with trusts, so you
will inevitably have to backport stuff from 3.0.28b that
will be done by then. And, I have to agree with Jerry,
having to live with .28a for the next decade in Debian might
be not the best thing.

Volker
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Quoting Volker Lendecke (Volker.Lendecke@SerNet.DE):
> 3.0.28a has known bugs in particular with trusts, so you
> will inevitably have to backport stuff from 3.0.28b that
> will be done by then. And, I have to agree with Jerry,
> having to live with .28a for the next decade in Debian might
> be not the best thing.
heh, Debian releases are not supported for a decade..:-). We're just
dropping support for sarge (which was out in 2005) right now. So, in
short, we're roughly targeting a 3-year support timeframe.

When it comes at samba, the "supported" releases are currently:
- 3.0.14a which came with Debian sarge
- 3.0.24 which came with Debian etch
(both were updated with security fixes, of course)

Of course, if 3.0.x releases come out, these will be included in
lenny. Such updates do not break the philosophy of the current "soft
freeze" if I correctly understand the policy of the Samba Team for the
next releases.

So, in short, Debian will be released with "whatever 3.0.x version"
will be current as of the day of the hard freeze of the distribution.

Quoting Gerald (Jerry) Carter (jerry@samba.org):
> Christian, I really disagree here.  What made you com to
> the decision that 3.0 is batter for a September Debian
> release?

Because the Debian release team asked maintainers to slow odwn
upstream version bumps as of March 2008. And one of the keys of "try
to release Debian on time" is avoiding to go against the release team
suggestions.

(for instance, the KDE packaging team decided to stick with KDE 3.4
for such reasons)

Debian entered the freeze stage for lenny on April 1st. Currenly, only
the base system packages are frozen, but the freeze should slowly become
stronger (the toolchain should come soon).

The current schedule for releasing samba 3.2.0 leaves us quite a chort
time before the planned release and, with the current manpower we have
in the Debian maintenance team, I don't feel comfortable going to
3.2.0 now.

That's a very though decision, indeed. I somewhat feel like Steve
Langasek will agree (actually he didn't disagree when I proposed this
in ou internal mailign list....while he may be too busy with the
Ubuntu release).

Of course, I'm ready to hear arguments against that decision...