samba - Nov 2002 - Roaming profiles problem - loading failure

I have a samba 2.2.4 PDC which acts as the repository of roaming profiles.
Just recently some of our users have experienced failure to load roaming 
profiles.  The clients are on a pair of Windows 2000 terminal servers.
The failure does not seem to be confined to one server and only affects some 
people.

The error given takes place during the loading profile stage:

Windows can not copy:
\\Samba server\profiles\aaa\Application Data\Microsoft\Outlook\FAVF.tmp to
C:\Documents and Settings\aaa.KINGSFORDS\Application 
Data\Microsoft\Outlook\FAVF.tmp

DETAIL - Access is denied

Then it says: Windows could not load the profile and is logging you on with a 
temporary profile.

My profiles part of smb.conf is:

# Profiles
[profiles]
        path = /home/ntprofile
        writeable = yes
        create mask = 0600
        directory mask = 0700
        nt acl support = no
        csc policy = disable

... the last 2 lines being added during the day, but with no effect.

I have checked the source file and apart from being 0 length it looks perfectly 
accessible.

Anyone else seen this? Or any hints as to what to do?

I am contemplating upgrading to 2.2.6 - but the WHATSNEW gives no hint that this
might be a fixed problem.  Of course it might be a problem with the Windows 2000
servers - not sure what SP level we are at - Windows manager away.



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I have been having this same problem. There is nothing in 2.2.6 that 
fixes it. I still have no idea what's causing it.

Peter Polkinghorne wrote:
> I have a samba 2.2.4 PDC which acts as the repository of roaming profiles.
> Just recently some of our users have experienced failure to load roaming 
> profiles.  The clients are on a pair of Windows 2000 terminal servers.
> The failure does not seem to be confined to one server and only affects
some
> people.
> 
> The error given takes place during the loading profile stage:
> 
> Windows can not copy:
> \\Samba server\profiles\aaa\Application Data\Microsoft\Outlook\FAVF.tmp to
> C:\Documents and Settings\aaa.KINGSFORDS\Application 
> Data\Microsoft\Outlook\FAVF.tmp
> 
> DETAIL - Access is denied
> 
> Then it says: Windows could not load the profile and is logging you on with
a
> temporary profile.
> 
> My profiles part of smb.conf is:
> 
> # Profiles
> [profiles]
>         path = /home/ntprofile
>         writeable = yes
>         create mask = 0600
>         directory mask = 0700
>         nt acl support = no
>         csc policy = disable
> 
> ... the last 2 lines being added during the day, but with no effect.
> 
> I have checked the source file and apart from being 0 length it looks
perfectly
> accessible.
> 
> Anyone else seen this? Or any hints as to what to do?
> 
> I am contemplating upgrading to 2.2.6 - but the WHATSNEW gives no hint that
this
> might be a fixed problem.  Of course it might be a problem with the Windows
2000
> servers - not sure what SP level we are at - Windows manager away.
> 
> 
> 
-- 
"Um, can you repeat the part of the stuff where you
  said all about the things?"
                            - Homer Simpson

I've been seeing this too.  They seem to be getting around it by deleting
the current profile and letting Windows re-save it, but we've held off
migrating any more users with roaming profiles till we
figure out exactly what's going on.

If anyone finds out anything about this, I'd be very interested.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Gaffney [mailto:agaffney@locutus2.yi.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 9:49 AM
> To: Peter Polkinghorne
> Cc: Samba
> Subject: Re: [Samba] Roaming profiles problem - loading failure
> 
> 
> I have been having this same problem. There is nothing in 2.2.6 that 
> fixes it. I still have no idea what's causing it.
> 
> Peter Polkinghorne wrote:
> > I have a samba 2.2.4 PDC which acts as the repository of 
> roaming profiles.
> > Just recently some of our users have experienced failure to 
> load roaming 
> > profiles.  The clients are on a pair of Windows 2000 
> terminal servers.
> > The failure does not seem to be confined to one server and 
> only affects some 
> > people.
> > 
> > The error given takes place during the loading profile stage:
> > 
> > Windows can not copy:
> > \\Samba server\profiles\aaa\Application 
> Data\Microsoft\Outlook\FAVF.tmp to
> > C:\Documents and Settings\aaa.KINGSFORDS\Application 
> > Data\Microsoft\Outlook\FAVF.tmp
> > 
> > DETAIL - Access is denied
> > 
> > Then it says: Windows could not load the profile and is 
> logging you on with a 
> > temporary profile.
> > 
> > My profiles part of smb.conf is:
> > 
> > # Profiles
> > [profiles]
> >         path = /home/ntprofile
> >         writeable = yes
> >         create mask = 0600
> >         directory mask = 0700
> >         nt acl support = no
> >         csc policy = disable
> > 
> > ... the last 2 lines being added during the day, but with no effect.
> > 
> > I have checked the source file and apart from being 0 
> length it looks perfectly 
> > accessible.
> > 
> > Anyone else seen this? Or any hints as to what to do?
> > 
> > I am contemplating upgrading to 2.2.6 - but the WHATSNEW 
> gives no hint that this 
> > might be a fixed problem.  Of course it might be a problem 
> with the Windows 2000 
> > servers - not sure what SP level we are at - Windows manager away.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
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>DETAIL - The process cannot access the file because it is 
>being used by another process.
This error is different to the "Access Denied" message as posted
earlier in
this thread.

I've recently (last week) set up a Samba PDC with 2.2.6 and roaming 
profiles.  Clients are all Win2k (SP2 & SP3 mix).  We had this error
occasionally when a user logged on concurrently, it happens at random but
as we don't have many users logging on concurrently its not a major 
issue.  I didn't have time to debug it beyond this, but when I get the
chance
I'll check some logs on this if no one has any solutions to this one.

>would turning off client side caching help with this problem?
Possibly, I'll try that next time I'm onsite.  Didn't really have 
the time to chase it, usual story, the stuff that doesn't fall into
the showstopper category gets left for later :)

I just came out of a meeting where we narrowed our version of this problem down
to a particular build level (or two) of Win2K.  NT appears to be fine, and so
does XP.

We're going to try a couple of different builds and hopefully get a level 10
log of a failing case.

If anyone has any more information on this, I'd love to hear it, and if the
Samba folks need any additional doc, speak now!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jra@dp.samba.org [mailto:jra@dp.samba.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 1:29 PM
> To: Andrew Gaffney
> Cc: Peter Polkinghorne; Samba
> Subject: Re: [Samba] Roaming profiles problem - loading failure
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 08:48:42AM -0600, Andrew Gaffney wrote:
> > I have been having this same problem. There is nothing in 
> 2.2.6 that 
> > fixes it. I still have no idea what's causing it.
> > 
> > Peter Polkinghorne wrote:
> > > I have a samba 2.2.4 PDC which acts as the repository of 
> roaming profiles.
> > > Just recently some of our users have experienced failure 
> to load roaming 
> > > profiles.  The clients are on a pair of Windows 2000 
> terminal servers.
> > > The failure does not seem to be confined to one server 
> and only affects some 
> > > people.
> > > 
> > > The error given takes place during the loading profile stage:
> > > 
> > > Windows can not copy:
> > > \\Samba server\profiles\aaa\Application 
> Data\Microsoft\Outlook\FAVF.tmp to
> > > C:\Documents and Settings\aaa.KINGSFORDS\Application 
> > > Data\Microsoft\Outlook\FAVF.tmp
> > > 
> > > DETAIL - Access is denied
> 
> More details please, a packet sniff or log file extract....
> 
>

Apologies for a belated response - the problem went away and I was thus unable
to get more detailed reports.

However we do have a work round that has worked for every isolated case that
has happened since:

On the Windows machine that is being logged into - making sure the user has
logged out - then in C:\Documents and Settings
for user say bloggs renaming the directory there: bloggs.bak as bloggs

... from my colleagues checks with Microsoft this problem affects pure
Microsoft environemnts too.
> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:28:31 +0000
> From: jra@dp.samba.org
> To: Andrew Gaffney <agaffney@locutus2.yi.org>
> Cc: Peter Polkinghorne <pjmp@kingsfords.co.uk>, Samba
<samba@lists.samba.org>
> Subject: Re: [Samba] Roaming profiles problem - loading failure
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> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 08:48:42AM -0600, Andrew Gaffney wrote:
> > I have been having this same problem. There is nothing in 2.2.6 that 
> > fixes it. I still have no idea what's causing it.
> > 
> > Peter Polkinghorne wrote:
> > > I have a samba 2.2.4 PDC which acts as the repository of roaming
profiles.
> > > Just recently some of our users have experienced failure to load
roaming
> > > profiles.  The clients are on a pair of Windows 2000 terminal
servers.
> > > The failure does not seem to be confined to one server and only
affects
some 
> > > people.
> > > 
> > > The error given takes place during the loading profile stage:
> > > 
> > > Windows can not copy:
> > > \\Samba server\profiles\aaa\Application
Data\Microsoft\Outlook\FAVF.tmp to
> > > C:\Documents and Settings\aaa.KINGSFORDS\Application 
> > > Data\Microsoft\Outlook\FAVF.tmp
> > > 
> > > DETAIL - Access is denied
> 
> More details please, a packet sniff or log file extract....
> 
> Jeremy.
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