Rails - Dec 2010 - News: Heroku bought: Salesforce wants some Ruby love: $212m goes a long way

News to me. Probably worth considering when choosing your deployment
options.

 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/09/salesforce_why_buy_heroku/print.html

Dreamforce 2010 Why would a company that spent 10 years delivering CRM
as a service drop $212m in cash and $27m in stock on a 30-person
startup that hosts Ruby on Rails apps for devs on Amazon?

Salesforce.com vice president of technology and co-founder Parker
Harris was initially, oddly vague on Wednesday when explaining why his
company just bought three-year-old Heroku.

During a Q&A with press and analysts at Dreamforce in San Francisco,
California, he was asked on why Salesforce.com is lavishing so much on
so few. "We want to hear what our customers want us to do," he said.

But you don''t just drop more than $200m on a company to see what
sticks. We''re sure Harris has a pretty good idea what he''s
after.

The deal is certainly odd. According to Harris, nothing''s going to
change on the Heroku end. The company, which serves more than 105,000
Ruby apps on top of Amazon''s compute and storage infrastructure, is
staying on Amazon and not shifting to Force.com.

"It''s wrong to think moving Heroku to Force.com or Force.com to
Heroku. We''ve expanded. You have to think of this is an expansion of
what we are doing. In some cases it [apps] will be built on Heroku,
VMforce, App Builder," Harris said.

And Heroku will be given plenty of scope to do its own thing. It will
retain is current offices in San Francisco, and its existing roadmap,
Harris said.

"We aren''t taking these guys and saying come in the building and
we
are going to rework your roadmap and we will tell all our customers
the roadmap you are getting," Harris said. "These guys already have a
roadmap - it''s fantastic."

So far, the company has aimed to partner with those who bring
technology add-ins to the basic Heroku service and to provide
developers with additional capabilities. These include a Memecache add-
in from Membase, formerly NorthScale, in April. You can see more here
[1].

So far, so fluffy. But back to the question. What does Salesforce.com
get for $212m plus $27m in stock?

In short, Salesforce is buying its way into developers and those who
know them. Salesforce.com''s background is sales people using its CRM
software-as-a-service - still it''s most successful service - and other
line-of-business apps. The closest the company has come to developers
is providing suits with some tech skills a drag-and-drop development
environment they can use to customize their Salesforce.com or
Force.com environments.

Real developers are coding apps, not assembling them using
Salesforce.com''s proprietary and closed and "Java-like" Apex
programming language. And Salesforce.com knows it.

"Look at this conference - this conference is a lot of business
customers," Parker said. "That''s what this transaction is
about is
giving that value to developers. They [Heroku] get it. They speak to
developers. We have yet to have that right voice, right technology and
that right mindset.

"In terms of value, it''s about a long-term strategic play. We
believe
it will be part of a huge platform strategy for us in the long term,"
Harris said.

Turns out Salesforce.com does know what it''s after.

Real dev love
Salesforce.com has embarked on a strategy of turning the database and
computer power underneath its core CRM service into something that can
serve "real" devs.

This week, it announced Database.com, a branded version of its
underlying relational, multi-tenant data store with its own URL and
pricing. It also announced VMforce has entered private beta testing
with release due in 2011. VMforce is a planned piece of technology,
announced earlier this year and started by VMware''s SpringSource
division, to deploy Java apps - not "Java-like" apps - on Force.com
using a virtualization layer.

Salesforce.com reckons VMforce has opened its eyes to a world of more
developers and more languages.

In short, Salesforce.com is now doing what ISVs in the non-cloud world
have tried to achieve countless times in the past: to build out a
ecosystem of partners feeding off of its platform. Salesforce.com
wishes to secure its place in the enterprise by achieving two goals:
bringing more developers who are looking for customers on to its
platform and attract more paying customers onto the platform in search
of new apps as services. In previous years at other companies, the
platform in question has been Windows, Linux, development
environments, application servers, and databases.

Heroku''s chief executive is Byron Sebastian, who in a previous role
developed a web-services tooling environment for Java at BEA Systems.
BEA''s leadership embarked on exactly the same odyssey of trying to
build out a partner ecosystem, but they failed and BEA''s now in the
possession of Oracle.

Salesforce.com believes Heroku can rub off on it and help it figure
out how to become more of a Ruby service provider. Salesforce.com is
therefore buying the brains and the technology of Heroku as it
believes Ruby is poised for stellar growth as the language of the web
and online services.

Heroku itself has grown to 105,000 apps from 50,000 in the spring, and
boasts US electronics outlet BestBuy [2] among its flagship customers.

"The big thing you get is you will trust the two [Salesforce.com and
Heroku] together more and more and we will find ways to deliver that
rust to you," Harris said.

George Hu, vice president platform and marketing, added: "We expect
them [Heroku] to look at our assets, and customer relationships, and
tell us what they think is the best way to leverage that."

Harris, the man who built out Salesforce.com and Apex, seems genuinely
awed by the Heroku platform.

Heroku is a multi-tenant hosting environment that runs Ruby apps on
multiple servers using something that the company calls a Dyno Grid.
The Grid uses POSIX, a Ruby VM, Mongrel app server, web-server
interface, and an optional middleware layer, and it runs with
different Ruby frameworks, like Rails and Sinatra. A Dyno is a single
process that runs your Ruby code on the underlying server grid. Heroku
sits on top of Amazon, and the big sell is its simplicity on features
and price: you provision Dynos across different server CPUs rather
than provisioning and working out the price for individual servers, as
you would if you were using Amazon.

Harris said Salesforce.com wants to take its own tooling and break it
down so there''s lot of "small, sharp tools that are right for the
job." It also sounds like there might be more tools serving
application lifecycle management, security, and integration planned,
but that these would come in the form of more Heroku-style add-ons.
Harris ruled out any Salesforce.com-branded HR or ERP applications
built using Ruby.

Salesforce.com''s EVP of technology encouraged everybody to think of
Salesforce.com as a plug in to Heroku. "This has gone very quickly,"
Harris said of the Heroku deal while looking ahead to what''s next.
"We
now have to rationalize the development lifecycle. I don''t have a
great answer for that today and it''s something I''m going to be
working
on."

When it comes to business application companies, developers are
usually second-class citizens. The companies'' target concern are sales
people and CFOs using its apps, not those coding. Developers get a
look in if the company''s got a middleware strategy.

But Salesforce.com has realized it must be different and cater to real
coders building real apps not business types doing drag and drop
inside some templates if it''s to grow and remain relevant in the
enterprise.

Salesforce.com just spent $212m on a strategic bet. ®

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Well if Heroku goes downhill then some new people need to recreate it... it
has been one of the coolest companies and I am sure a godsend in the
learning curve of many a Rails developer. If they sold out maybe next time
around they charge everyone some nominal fee to use it in addition to the
paid services. I would gladly pay...

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Owain
<owain.mcguire-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> News to me. Probably worth considering when choosing your deployment
> options.
>
>
>
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/09/salesforce_why_buy_heroku/print.html
>
> Dreamforce 2010 Why would a company that spent 10 years delivering CRM
> as a service drop $212m in cash and $27m in stock on a 30-person
> startup that hosts Ruby on Rails apps for devs on Amazon?
>
> Salesforce.com vice president of technology and co-founder Parker
> Harris was initially, oddly vague on Wednesday when explaining why his
> company just bought three-year-old Heroku.
>
> During a Q&A with press and analysts at Dreamforce in San Francisco,
> California, he was asked on why Salesforce.com is lavishing so much on
> so few. "We want to hear what our customers want us to do," he
said.
>
> But you don''t just drop more than $200m on a company to see what
> sticks. We''re sure Harris has a pretty good idea what
he''s after.
>
> The deal is certainly odd. According to Harris, nothing''s going to
> change on the Heroku end. The company, which serves more than 105,000
> Ruby apps on top of Amazon''s compute and storage infrastructure,
is
> staying on Amazon and not shifting to Force.com.
>
> "It''s wrong to think moving Heroku to Force.com or Force.com
to
> Heroku. We''ve expanded. You have to think of this is an expansion
of
> what we are doing. In some cases it [apps] will be built on Heroku,
> VMforce, App Builder," Harris said.
>
> And Heroku will be given plenty of scope to do its own thing. It will
> retain is current offices in San Francisco, and its existing roadmap,
> Harris said.
>
> "We aren''t taking these guys and saying come in the building
and we
> are going to rework your roadmap and we will tell all our customers
> the roadmap you are getting," Harris said. "These guys already
have a
> roadmap - it''s fantastic."
>
> So far, the company has aimed to partner with those who bring
> technology add-ins to the basic Heroku service and to provide
> developers with additional capabilities. These include a Memecache add-
> in from Membase, formerly NorthScale, in April. You can see more here
> [1].
>
> So far, so fluffy. But back to the question. What does Salesforce.com
> get for $212m plus $27m in stock?
>
> In short, Salesforce is buying its way into developers and those who
> know them. Salesforce.com''s background is sales people using its
CRM
> software-as-a-service - still it''s most successful service - and
other
> line-of-business apps. The closest the company has come to developers
> is providing suits with some tech skills a drag-and-drop development
> environment they can use to customize their Salesforce.com or
> Force.com environments.
>
> Real developers are coding apps, not assembling them using
> Salesforce.com''s proprietary and closed and "Java-like"
Apex
> programming language. And Salesforce.com knows it.
>
> "Look at this conference - this conference is a lot of business
> customers," Parker said. "That''s what this transaction
is about is
> giving that value to developers. They [Heroku] get it. They speak to
> developers. We have yet to have that right voice, right technology and
> that right mindset.
>
> "In terms of value, it''s about a long-term strategic play. We
believe
> it will be part of a huge platform strategy for us in the long term,"
> Harris said.
>
> Turns out Salesforce.com does know what it''s after.
>
> Real dev love
> Salesforce.com has embarked on a strategy of turning the database and
> computer power underneath its core CRM service into something that can
> serve "real" devs.
>
> This week, it announced Database.com, a branded version of its
> underlying relational, multi-tenant data store with its own URL and
> pricing. It also announced VMforce has entered private beta testing
> with release due in 2011. VMforce is a planned piece of technology,
> announced earlier this year and started by VMware''s SpringSource
> division, to deploy Java apps - not "Java-like" apps - on
Force.com
> using a virtualization layer.
>
> Salesforce.com reckons VMforce has opened its eyes to a world of more
> developers and more languages.
>
> In short, Salesforce.com is now doing what ISVs in the non-cloud world
> have tried to achieve countless times in the past: to build out a
> ecosystem of partners feeding off of its platform. Salesforce.com
> wishes to secure its place in the enterprise by achieving two goals:
> bringing more developers who are looking for customers on to its
> platform and attract more paying customers onto the platform in search
> of new apps as services. In previous years at other companies, the
> platform in question has been Windows, Linux, development
> environments, application servers, and databases.
>
> Heroku''s chief executive is Byron Sebastian, who in a previous
role
> developed a web-services tooling environment for Java at BEA Systems.
> BEA''s leadership embarked on exactly the same odyssey of trying to
> build out a partner ecosystem, but they failed and BEA''s now in
the
> possession of Oracle.
>
> Salesforce.com believes Heroku can rub off on it and help it figure
> out how to become more of a Ruby service provider. Salesforce.com is
> therefore buying the brains and the technology of Heroku as it
> believes Ruby is poised for stellar growth as the language of the web
> and online services.
>
> Heroku itself has grown to 105,000 apps from 50,000 in the spring, and
> boasts US electronics outlet BestBuy [2] among its flagship customers.
>
> "The big thing you get is you will trust the two [Salesforce.com and
> Heroku] together more and more and we will find ways to deliver that
> rust to you," Harris said.
>
> George Hu, vice president platform and marketing, added: "We expect
> them [Heroku] to look at our assets, and customer relationships, and
> tell us what they think is the best way to leverage that."
>
> Harris, the man who built out Salesforce.com and Apex, seems genuinely
> awed by the Heroku platform.
>
> Heroku is a multi-tenant hosting environment that runs Ruby apps on
> multiple servers using something that the company calls a Dyno Grid.
> The Grid uses POSIX, a Ruby VM, Mongrel app server, web-server
> interface, and an optional middleware layer, and it runs with
> different Ruby frameworks, like Rails and Sinatra. A Dyno is a single
> process that runs your Ruby code on the underlying server grid. Heroku
> sits on top of Amazon, and the big sell is its simplicity on features
> and price: you provision Dynos across different server CPUs rather
> than provisioning and working out the price for individual servers, as
> you would if you were using Amazon.
>
> Harris said Salesforce.com wants to take its own tooling and break it
> down so there''s lot of "small, sharp tools that are right for
the
> job." It also sounds like there might be more tools serving
> application lifecycle management, security, and integration planned,
> but that these would come in the form of more Heroku-style add-ons.
> Harris ruled out any Salesforce.com-branded HR or ERP applications
> built using Ruby.
>
> Salesforce.com''s EVP of technology encouraged everybody to think
of
> Salesforce.com as a plug in to Heroku. "This has gone very
quickly,"
> Harris said of the Heroku deal while looking ahead to what''s next.
"We
> now have to rationalize the development lifecycle. I don''t have a
> great answer for that today and it''s something I''m going
to be working
> on."
>
> When it comes to business application companies, developers are
> usually second-class citizens. The companies'' target concern are
sales
> people and CFOs using its apps, not those coding. Developers get a
> look in if the company''s got a middleware strategy.
>
> But Salesforce.com has realized it must be different and cater to real
> coders building real apps not business types doing drag and drop
> inside some templates if it''s to grow and remain relevant in the
> enterprise.
>
> Salesforce.com just spent $212m on a strategic bet. ®
>
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David Kahn wrote in post #967680:
> Well if Heroku goes downhill then some new people need to recreate it...
If.  I think this could be potentially very good for Heroku; OTOH, one 
of my colleagues thinks that Salesforce will shut Heroku down and use 
the technology for their own products.  Time will tell.

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