Rails - Sep 2007 - Simple websites (no DB?) with Rails??

I have been learning Rails and building small things over the last
several months.  Question I have that has been surprising difficult to
figure out is this (I know it seems somewhat nonsensical but ignore
that).  I recently started getting a few requests for basic website to
be built, small businesses, stores, even individual people.  How would
one about doing such a thing using Rails?  I may not even have a
database in some of these, or if I do, probably just one.  More or
lass we are talking about 3-5 page static sites.  I have built much
more complex things over the course of my learning, but have not used
rails for this yet.  What is the proper way to go about such a thing
in rails? I suppose I could create a separate controller and view(s)
for each page, make the RHTML look real nice and link them all
(links_to). (some of these may or may not be a little dynamic)     The
reason I ask:::  I am fully aware that there are much easier ways to
simply build a website and be done with it, such as
''homesite'', or
''frontpage''.  I ask for two reasons: 1. I like Rails and
prefer to
keep using the same process of development (especially when i am new)
for all projects no matter how small. AND 2. I know that often these
types of projects start out one way and then end up entirely
different.  Right now they say I just need a 3 page static website but
3 months from now they want a content management piece built in or a
shopping cart and commerce page....  I can only assume that if I
started the project as a Rails project from the start, no matter how
small and insignificant - it would make things much easier when I
start adding to it and making it a full blown APP?  Anyone agree,
disagree, have done this?

JR


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I completely disagree with you.

You are going way overkill to build a really small website. Plus even
if the site grows to have an e-commerce website you are going to have
to start over anyways because the scope of the project has changed so
much that it would be impractical to simply add to a 3 page website.
Rails is not meant to be used for static sites but web applications.
If you aren''t building a web application then Rails is not the tool
for you. It would be like trying to use a screwdriver when you need a
wrench. Not to mention you will save money on hosting, save time,
headaches in updates, and your site will have better performance and
more...

I can crank out a 3 page static site in a few hours and have it
launched in 2 minutes. If I were to use rails for the same 3 page
static site it would take me way longer then that just to setup a
subversion repository, capistrano, a productions server, not to
mention forcing a model view controller design pattern on a simple
website. Save yourself a headache. The MVC design pattern comes from
software engineering.....so what''s the point if you can''t
utilize it??

Wes




On Sep 7, 11:37 am,
"jason.rabo...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org"
<jason.rabo...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> I have been learning Rails and building small things over the last
> several months.  Question I have that has been surprising difficult to
> figure out is this (I know it seems somewhat nonsensical but ignore
> that).  I recently started getting a few requests for basic website to
> be built, small businesses, stores, even individual people.  How would
> one about doing such a thing using Rails?  I may not even have a
> database in some of these, or if I do, probably just one.  More or
> lass we are talking about 3-5 page static sites.  I have built much
> more complex things over the course of my learning, but have not used
> rails for this yet.  What is the proper way to go about such a thing
> in rails? I suppose I could create a separate controller and view(s)
> for each page, make the RHTML look real nice and link them all
> (links_to). (some of these may or may not be a little dynamic)     The
> reason I ask:::  I am fully aware that there are much easier ways to
> simply build a website and be done with it, such as
''homesite'', or
> ''frontpage''.  I ask for two reasons: 1. I like Rails and
prefer to
> keep using the same process of development (especially when i am new)
> for all projects no matter how small. AND 2. I know that often these
> types of projects start out one way and then end up entirely
> different.  Right now they say I just need a 3 page static website but
> 3 months from now they want a content management piece built in or a
> shopping cart and commerce page....  I can only assume that if I
> started the project as a Rails project from the start, no matter how
> small and insignificant - it would make things much easier when I
> start adding to it and making it a full blown APP?  Anyone agree,
> disagree, have done this?
>
> JR

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well, point taken, and clearly you are correct in what you say.   I
wanted to throw that out there to see how others were using it for the
everyday stuff.  I will crank up homesite and use CSS/HTML for the
website.  Thanks for the opinion.

On Sep 7, 5:32 pm, Acroterra
<acrote...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> I completely disagree with you.
>
> You are going way overkill to build a really small website. Plus even
> if the site grows to have an e-commerce website you are going to have
> to start over anyways because the scope of the project has changed so
> much that it would be impractical to simply add to a 3 page website.
> Rails is not meant to be used for static sites but web applications.
> If you aren''t building a web application then Rails is not the
tool
> for you. It would be like trying to use a screwdriver when you need a
> wrench. Not to mention you will save money on hosting, save time,
> headaches in updates, and your site will have better performance and
> more...
>
> I can crank out a 3 page static site in a few hours and have it
> launched in 2 minutes. If I were to use rails for the same 3 page
> static site it would take me way longer then that just to setup a
> subversion repository, capistrano, a productions server, not to
> mention forcing a model view controller design pattern on a simple
> website. Save yourself a headache. The MVC design pattern comes from
> software engineering.....so what''s the point if you can''t
utilize it??
>
> Wes
>
> On Sep 7, 11:37 am,
"jason.rabo...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org"
>
> <jason.rabo...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > I have been learning Rails and building small things over the last
> > several months.  Question I have that has been surprising difficult to
> > figure out is this (I know it seems somewhat nonsensical but ignore
> > that).  I recently started getting a few requests for basic website to
> > be built, small businesses, stores, even individual people.  How would
> > one about doing such a thing using Rails?  I may not even have a
> > database in some of these, or if I do, probably just one.  More or
> > lass we are talking about 3-5 page static sites.  I have built much
> > more complex things over the course of my learning, but have not used
> > rails for this yet.  What is the proper way to go about such a thing
> > in rails? I suppose I could create a separate controller and view(s)
> > for each page, make the RHTML look real nice and link them all
> > (links_to). (some of these may or may not be a little dynamic)     The
> > reason I ask:::  I am fully aware that there are much easier ways to
> > simply build a website and be done with it, such as
''homesite'', or
> > ''frontpage''.  I ask for two reasons: 1. I like Rails
and prefer to
> > keep using the same process of development (especially when i am new)
> > for all projects no matter how small. AND 2. I know that often these
> > types of projects start out one way and then end up entirely
> > different.  Right now they say I just need a 3 page static website but
> > 3 months from now they want a content management piece built in or a
> > shopping cart and commerce page....  I can only assume that if I
> > started the project as a Rails project from the start, no matter how
> > small and insignificant - it would make things much easier when I
> > start adding to it and making it a full blown APP?  Anyone agree,
> > disagree, have done this?
>
> > JR

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Again, it''s likely to be overkill, but if you expect that the content
is
going to grow but remain "largely static content", you may want to 
consider using a Content Management System (CMS) such as Radiant.  Yes, 
it won''t be up and running in 3 hours, but it would give you the 
flexibility of managing updates, etc. quite easily.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Mohit.
9/8/2007 | 12:11 PM.

jas wrote:
> well, point taken, and clearly you are correct in what you say.   I
> wanted to throw that out there to see how others were using it for the
> everyday stuff.  I will crank up homesite and use CSS/HTML for the
> website.  Thanks for the opinion.
>
> On Sep 7, 5:32 pm, Acroterra
<acrote...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>   
>> I completely disagree with you.
>>
>> You are going way overkill to build a really small website. Plus even
>> if the site grows to have an e-commerce website you are going to have
>> to start over anyways because the scope of the project has changed so
>> much that it would be impractical to simply add to a 3 page website.
>> Rails is not meant to be used for static sites but web applications.
>> If you aren''t building a web application then Rails is not the
tool
>> for you. It would be like trying to use a screwdriver when you need a
>> wrench. Not to mention you will save money on hosting, save time,
>> headaches in updates, and your site will have better performance and
>> more...
>>
>> I can crank out a 3 page static site in a few hours and have it
>> launched in 2 minutes. If I were to use rails for the same 3 page
>> static site it would take me way longer then that just to setup a
>> subversion repository, capistrano, a productions server, not to
>> mention forcing a model view controller design pattern on a simple
>> website. Save yourself a headache. The MVC design pattern comes from
>> software engineering.....so what''s the point if you
can''t utilize it??
>>
>> Wes
>>
>> On Sep 7, 11:37 am,
"jason.rabo...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org"
>>
>> <jason.rabo...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>     
>>> I have been learning Rails and building small things over the last
>>> several months.  Question I have that has been surprising difficult
to
>>> figure out is this (I know it seems somewhat nonsensical but ignore
>>> that).  I recently started getting a few requests for basic website
to
>>> be built, small businesses, stores, even individual people.  How
would
>>> one about doing such a thing using Rails?  I may not even have a
>>> database in some of these, or if I do, probably just one.  More or
>>> lass we are talking about 3-5 page static sites.  I have built much
>>> more complex things over the course of my learning, but have not
used
>>> rails for this yet.  What is the proper way to go about such a
thing
>>> in rails? I suppose I could create a separate controller and
view(s)
>>> for each page, make the RHTML look real nice and link them all
>>> (links_to). (some of these may or may not be a little dynamic)    
The
>>> reason I ask:::  I am fully aware that there are much easier ways
to
>>> simply build a website and be done with it, such as
''homesite'', or
>>> ''frontpage''.  I ask for two reasons: 1. I like
Rails and prefer to
>>> keep using the same process of development (especially when i am
new)
>>> for all projects no matter how small. AND 2. I know that often
these
>>> types of projects start out one way and then end up entirely
>>> different.  Right now they say I just need a 3 page static website
but
>>> 3 months from now they want a content management piece built in or
a
>>> shopping cart and commerce page....  I can only assume that if I
>>> started the project as a Rails project from the start, no matter
how
>>> small and insignificant - it would make things much easier when I
>>> start adding to it and making it a full blown APP?  Anyone agree,
>>> disagree, have done this?
>>>       
>>> JR
>>>       
>
>
> >
>
>
>   


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that does help.  Radiant is really a static site creation tool and CMS
isnt it?  Are there any others based on ROR or Ruby?

Thank for the help.

On Sep 8, 12:11 am, Mohit Sindhwani
<mo_m...-RxrYI66vbj0AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> Again, it''s likely to be overkill, but if you expect that the
content is
> going to grow but remain "largely static content", you may want
to
> consider using a Content Management System (CMS) such as Radiant.  Yes,
> it won''t be up and running in 3 hours, but it would give you the
> flexibility of managing updates, etc. quite easily.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Cheers,
> Mohit.
> 9/8/2007 | 12:11 PM.
>
> jas wrote:
> > well, point taken, and clearly you are correct in what you say.   I
> > wanted to throw that out there to see how others were using it for the
> > everyday stuff.  I will crank up homesite and use CSS/HTML for the
> > website.  Thanks for the opinion.
>
> > On Sep 7, 5:32 pm, Acroterra
<acrote...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> >> I completely disagree with you.
>
> >> You are going way overkill to build a really small website. Plus
even
> >> if the site grows to have an e-commerce website you are going to
have
> >> to start over anyways because the scope of the project has changed
so
> >> much that it would be impractical to simply add to a 3 page
website.
> >> Rails is not meant to be used for static sites but web
applications.
> >> If you aren''t building a web application then Rails is
not the tool
> >> for you. It would be like trying to use a screwdriver when you
need a
> >> wrench. Not to mention you will save money on hosting, save time,
> >> headaches in updates, and your site will have better performance
and
> >> more...
>
> >> I can crank out a 3 page static site in a few hours and have it
> >> launched in 2 minutes. If I were to use rails for the same 3 page
> >> static site it would take me way longer then that just to setup a
> >> subversion repository, capistrano, a productions server, not to
> >> mention forcing a model view controller design pattern on a simple
> >> website. Save yourself a headache. The MVC design pattern comes
from
> >> software engineering.....so what''s the point if you
can''t utilize it??
>
> >> Wes
>
> >> On Sep 7, 11:37 am,
"jason.rabo...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org"
>
> >> <jason.rabo...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
>
> >>> I have been learning Rails and building small things over the
last
> >>> several months.  Question I have that has been surprising
difficult to
> >>> figure out is this (I know it seems somewhat nonsensical but
ignore
> >>> that).  I recently started getting a few requests for basic
website to
> >>> be built, small businesses, stores, even individual people. 
How would
> >>> one about doing such a thing using Rails?  I may not even have
a
> >>> database in some of these, or if I do, probably just one. 
More or
> >>> lass we are talking about 3-5 page static sites.  I have built
much
> >>> more complex things over the course of my learning, but have
not used
> >>> rails for this yet.  What is the proper way to go about such a
thing
> >>> in rails? I suppose I could create a separate controller and
view(s)
> >>> for each page, make the RHTML look real nice and link them all
> >>> (links_to). (some of these may or may not be a little dynamic)
The
> >>> reason I ask:::  I am fully aware that there are much easier
ways to
> >>> simply build a website and be done with it, such as
''homesite'', or
> >>> ''frontpage''.  I ask for two reasons: 1. I
like Rails and prefer to
> >>> keep using the same process of development (especially when i
am new)
> >>> for all projects no matter how small. AND 2. I know that often
these
> >>> types of projects start out one way and then end up entirely
> >>> different.  Right now they say I just need a 3 page static
website but
> >>> 3 months from now they want a content management piece built
in or a
> >>> shopping cart and commerce page....  I can only assume that if
I
> >>> started the project as a Rails project from the start, no
matter how
> >>> small and insignificant - it would make things much easier
when I
> >>> start adding to it and making it a full blown APP?  Anyone
agree,
> >>> disagree, have done this?
>
> >>> JR

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I think there are a few - someone had recently posted links to a few 
other systems a few days back.  I find that Radiant is quite easy to use 
though you need to spend some time with it (a few days) to get it 
right.  But, it handles content as Pages.  Pages have of a Layout.  
Layouts and pages can reuse Snippets.

It''s not really a static site creation tool since dynamic content can
be
handled quite easily but in my mind, it''s the most logical replacement 
for a static site.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Mohit.
9/18/2007 | 10:47 AM.


agilehack wrote:
> that does help.  Radiant is really a static site creation tool and CMS
> isnt it?  Are there any others based on ROR or Ruby?
>
> Thank for the help.
>
> On Sep 8, 12:11 am, Mohit Sindhwani
<mo_m...-RxrYI66vbj0AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>   
>> Again, it''s likely to be overkill, but if you expect that the
content is
>> going to grow but remain "largely static content", you may
want to
>> consider using a Content Management System (CMS) such as Radiant.  Yes,
>> it won''t be up and running in 3 hours, but it would give you
the
>> flexibility of managing updates, etc. quite easily.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mohit.
>> 9/8/2007 | 12:11 PM.
>>
>> j


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agilehack wrote:
> that does help.  Radiant is really a static site creation tool and CMS
> isnt it?  Are there any others based on ROR or Ruby?
> 
> Thank for the help.
Here''s four :
 StaticMatic (http://staticmatic.rubyforge.org/),
 Rassmalog (http://rassmalog.rubyforge.org/output/index.html),
 Nanoc (http://nanoc.stoneship.org/tutorial/)
 or _why''s Hobix (http://hobix.com/) .

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Chris Lowis wrote:
> Here''s four :
>  StaticMatic (http://staticmatic.rubyforge.org/),
>  Rassmalog (http://rassmalog.rubyforge.org/output/index.html),
>  Nanoc (http://nanoc.stoneship.org/tutorial/)
>  or _why''s Hobix (http://hobix.com/) .
> 
> Chris
yeah.
I saw a demonstration of StaticMatic last week...
it was pretty impressive.
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