Hi, Any advice/comments on the potential for hosting some personal Ruby applications from home? (i.e. for learning, sharing with friends etc) Would the basic concept be: * Need to buy a static IP address from you ISP * By a domain name and point it to the static IP address * Run Apache as the front end web server - Q: What basic lockdown/security steps should one take? * Perform a PORT redirect on my router for traffic on port 80 to the internal IP address of my PC * Run the Rails App on the PC * Redirect Apache for the appropriate URL for the application through to Ruby How does this sound? Regarding comparitive cost of using RailsPlayground.com I guess for this option it would seem I would still need to at least my a domain name. Tks -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
The wiki and this list archive can help you with the rest, but do yourself a favour and go dynamic dns and save yourself a bundle. I use easydns, which supports various dynamic dns clients. cheers, Jodi On 18-Jul-06, at 8:49 PM, Greg Hauptmann wrote:> Hi, > > Any advice/comments on the potential for hosting some personal Ruby > applications from home? (i.e. for learning, sharing with friends etc) > > Would the basic concept be: > > * Need to buy a static IP address from you ISP > > * By a domain name and point it to the static IP address > > * Run Apache as the front end web server > - Q: What basic lockdown/security steps should one take? > > * Perform a PORT redirect on my router for traffic on port 80 to the > internal IP address of my PC > > * Run the Rails App on the PC > > * Redirect Apache for the appropriate URL for the application > through to > Ruby > > How does this sound? > > > Regarding comparitive cost of using RailsPlayground.com I guess for > this > option it would seem I would still need to at least my a domain name. > > Tks > > > > > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
On 7/18/06, Greg Hauptmann <gregsfm@tpg.com.au> wrote:> Hi, > > Any advice/comments on the potential for hosting some personal Ruby > applications from home? (i.e. for learning, sharing with friends etc)I find it more educational to manage the app on a remote host. Check around for hosting deals, you can get deals for under $5 US/mth. Doing this on a remote host will teach you about deployment and managing via ssh. The hosting companies also have a lot better net connections. I got in on a Dreamhost coupon and got an account for $1/mth.> > Would the basic concept be: > > * Need to buy a static IP address from you ISP > > * By a domain name and point it to the static IP address > > * Run Apache as the front end web server > - Q: What basic lockdown/security steps should one take? > > * Perform a PORT redirect on my router for traffic on port 80 to the > internal IP address of my PC > > * Run the Rails App on the PC > > * Redirect Apache for the appropriate URL for the application through to > Ruby > > How does this sound? > > > Regarding comparitive cost of using RailsPlayground.com I guess for this > option it would seem I would still need to at least my a domain name. > > Tks > > > > > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-- Jon Smirl jonsmirl@gmail.com
Agreed. And a lot of ISPs call running your own servers a breach of the service agreement. :( On 7/18/06, Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@gmail.com> wrote:> > On 7/18/06, Greg Hauptmann <gregsfm@tpg.com.au> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Any advice/comments on the potential for hosting some personal Ruby > > applications from home? (i.e. for learning, sharing with friends etc) > > I find it more educational to manage the app on a remote host. Check > around for hosting deals, you can get deals for under $5 US/mth. Doing > this on a remote host will teach you about deployment and managing via > ssh. The hosting companies also have a lot better net connections. I > got in on a Dreamhost coupon and got an account for $1/mth. > > > > > Would the basic concept be: > > > > * Need to buy a static IP address from you ISP > > > > * By a domain name and point it to the static IP address > > > > * Run Apache as the front end web server > > - Q: What basic lockdown/security steps should one take? > > > > * Perform a PORT redirect on my router for traffic on port 80 to the > > internal IP address of my PC > > > > * Run the Rails App on the PC > > > > * Redirect Apache for the appropriate URL for the application through to > > Ruby > > > > How does this sound? > > > > > > Regarding comparitive cost of using RailsPlayground.com I guess for this > > option it would seem I would still need to at least my a domain name. > > > > Tks > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > -- > Jon Smirl > jonsmirl@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060719/1279582b/attachment.html
I see that you can make your own www.dreamhost.com coupons now if you have an account. This one gives the maximum discounts possible for all types of signups. DREAMROR $120 - $97 = $23/year 777 is still better if it is active (it comes and goes) 777 = $0.77/month = $9.24/year -- Jon Smirl jonsmirl@gmail.com
You really don''t need a domain, just a static ip. This is what we do with the test boxes at our company but I have to say that it''s a huge pain in the ass if you don''t already really know what you''re doing.>From the standpoint of someone that sets up servers I would say get acheap host like dreamhost and enjoy playing with rails instead of dealing with servers (unless you''re into that). -Chuck Vose
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 02:49:34 +0200, Greg Hauptmann wrote:> * Need to buy a static IP address from you ISP > > * By a domain name and point it to the static IP address > > * Run Apache as the front end web server > - Q: What basic lockdown/security steps should one take? > > * Perform a PORT redirect on my router for traffic on port 80 to the > internal IP address of my PC > > * Run the Rails App on the PC > > * Redirect Apache for the appropriate URL for the application through to > RubyI do almost exactly this; www.jay.fm is in my living room. It hosts all my mail, web, DNS, etc. It''s not my main PC, though, but a separate Linux box. Advantages: - I get to keep my sysadmin skills current, because I''m the only one I can call when things break. I''m semi-dot-com-retired, and this keeps my mind in shape for the eventual next job. - There are no restrictions on what I can host, what versions of which libraries are installed, etc. I''m root. I can even physically upgrade the machine if desired. I get to run whatever mail, web, etc. packages I want. - Likewise, when troubleshooting, I can do anything I want or need to do; the whole system is accessible to me, whether it be running ethereal to analyze the web traffic, or grepping the whole hard drive to find something. - X11 over a LAN is blazing fast. emacs, or even Eclipse, is fully usable. Uploading images or video to the web site, instant. - Backups get handled with my regular backup software. Disadvantages: - Your ISP may not allow you to host servers, even with a static IP. (Some offer static IPs solely for gamers'' convenience.) With Comcast, I needed to get a $100/mo business-class package before they''d give me a hands-off AUP. - If there''s any significant traffic to your web site, your connection will slow down. Even fast 6M downstream connections often have only 768K upstream. You may want to run one of the throttling modules on apache to reserve some upstream bandwidth for yourself, or do that in the router if it allows traffic shaping. - No redundancy. If your power/net/etc goes out, you''re down. Any decent colocated space will have redundant power and network, but few homes do. - No tech support. As for what basic lockdown steps - I highly recommend getting the O''Reilly books "Building Secure Servers with LINUX" and "Apache: the Definitive Guide". The former has a good chapter on Apache. If you''re serious (and a little flush), I''d also recommend getting a real commercial-grade router - at least a Cisco PIX-501. That way, you can have fine-grained control over what traffic gets to your PC, and you can log intrusion attempts, etc. A midway possibility is to lease a virtual private server from a local colo company. You''ll still get all the "I run it myself" advantages, but with a better net connection and presumably some power redundancy. Character-based editing will have a little more latency, but if you''re developing at home and deploying remotely, you won''t be doing much development on the remote machine anyway. Jay Levitt
i have an account with hostingrails for 23 dollars for the whole yr. that alone saved me the trouble going through the setting up process that would probably take me a few hrs or even days. but if your doing for learning, sounds fine to me. Greg Hauptmann wrote:> Hi, > > Any advice/comments on the potential for hosting some personal Ruby > applications from home? (i.e. for learning, sharing with friends etc) > > Would the basic concept be: > > * Need to buy a static IP address from you ISP > > * By a domain name and point it to the static IP address > > * Run Apache as the front end web server > - Q: What basic lockdown/security steps should one take? > > * Perform a PORT redirect on my router for traffic on port 80 to the > internal IP address of my PC > > * Run the Rails App on the PC > > * Redirect Apache for the appropriate URL for the application through to > Ruby > > How does this sound? > > > Regarding comparitive cost of using RailsPlayground.com I guess for this > option it would seem I would still need to at least my a domain name. > > Tks-- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
On 7/19/06, Jay Levitt <jay+news@jay.fm> wrote:> I do almost exactly this; www.jay.fm is in my living room. It hosts all my > mail, web, DNS, etc. It''s not my main PC, though, but a separate Linux > box.For me the best model is both ways. I have some things remote and some local. But my cable modem service is very skewed, 348Kb/7Mb. Not good for servers. Places like Dreamhost have backbone connections and you can burst out 100Mb or more. The remote host will do backups for you. You do them on your home machine, right? The remote host is also monitored 24/7 which lets you get some sleep.> Disadvantages: > > - Your ISP may not allow you to host servers, even with a static IP. (Some > offer static IPs solely for gamers'' convenience.) With Comcast, I needed > to get a $100/mo business-class package before they''d give me a hands-off > AUP.I am on Comcast too. From my calculation remote hosting was a better deal than the business class pakage. If you are in a Verizon FIOS area that is even cooler, 5Mb/30Mb for $180/mth. http://www.verizonfios.com/ Plus you can get about 250 all digital TV channels over fiber.> If you''re serious (and a little flush), I''d also recommend getting a real > commercial-grade router - at least a Cisco PIX-501. That way, you can have > fine-grained control over what traffic gets to your PC, and you can log > intrusion attempts, etc.Your Linux box can be a commercial grade router if set up correctly.> A midway possibility is to lease a virtual private server from a local colo > company. You''ll still get all the "I run it myself" advantages, but with a > better net connection and presumably some power redundancy. > Character-based editing will have a little more latency, but if you''re > developing at home and deploying remotely, you won''t be doing much > development on the remote machine anyway.I''ve been getting better performance out of the shared boxes. I am on a quad xeon box, it is never very busy. That is more CPU that I would get out of a VPS and it is a lot cheaper. Of course there are things that you can do on a VPS that I can''t do on a shared box. -- Jon Smirl jonsmirl@gmail.com
I use ZoneEdit found at zoneedit.com for my dns resolution needs. It''s free, not as in beer, but as in a cup of water from a fast food restaurant ( you get the 5 site sample) but more than that and you have to pay. You will learn more hosting a site at your house, and as the guy said above you will have to perfect opportunity to put all kinds of tools on the box: svn, Trac, rails, php, mod_proxy with apache, MythTV if you get a TV tuner, postfix, named, a UPS that you''ve always wanted, Firebird database (because the people that use say it was made by God himself on the 8th day), and much more, o my. I actually have a dynamic IP address, but my ISP forgets to change my IP address. Realistically, my IP address has changed twice this year and both were power outages. I''m a huge fan of the University of Alabama. I''ve set up squid at my house with dansguardian. When you try go to Auburn.edu it takes you to Alabama''s website. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Greg Hauptmann
2006-Jul-20 01:41 UTC
[Rails] Re: Re: Hosting a Ruby App From Home - Approach?
Tks guys, I''ve actually opted for the hosted solution in the end with Dreamhost noting the promotion codes people kindly pointed out. I''ll read up on the doco now re getting things set up, however are there any pointers/ideas people could suggest regarding automating the process of cutting a production release of a rails application (after commiting to svn no doubt) and uploading to Dreamhost production? i.e. are there any script/tools that target this area in the rails community? Cheers Greg -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Once you''ve set it up, you type "cap deploy" and everything
magically
gets checked out from svn, directories linked, fcgi''s restarted,
etc. Capistrano is an amazing thing.
http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php/Capistrano
- dan
--
Dan Kohn <mailto:dan@dankohn.com>
<http://www.dankohn.com/> <tel:+1-415-233-1000>
On Jul 19, 2006, at 6:41 PM, Greg Hauptmann wrote:
> Tks guys,
>
> I''ve actually opted for the hosted solution in the end with
Dreamhost
> noting the promotion codes people kindly pointed out.
>
> I''ll read up on the doco now re getting things set up, however are
> there
> any pointers/ideas people could suggest regarding automating the
> process
> of cutting a production release of a rails application (after
> commiting
> to svn no doubt) and uploading to Dreamhost production? i.e. are
> there
> any script/tools that target this area in the rails community?
>
> Cheers
> Greg
>
>
> --
> Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
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