One for the archive: Validation on a new password submission [/signup] was less than 30 characters [validates_length_of helper] but the resulting hash in the database was more than 30 [c40] ? the result was that in a relation JOIN that users the User model, the password *hash validates_length_of the hash [and not the original textual password] which silently fails and doesnt save the record.. There''s a couple of solutions - anyone want to have a shot at it? -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.