Hi List,
it appears that for the third or fourth time now, I''ve asked a
question that nobody seems to respond to. Other questions (often
things that could quite easily have been extracted by searching
with Google or from api.rubyonrails.org) are answered almost
momentarily.
I''ve to admit I''m more than a little frustrated by this, so
have
to ask myself if it was my own fault that none of these questions
was answered. Let''s see:
* Included error messages, if applicable
* Said what steps I had already undertaken
to gain an understanding of the problem
by myself
* Was polite
Is there anything else that one has to do? One question and nobody
knows the answer -- okay. Two questions and nobody knows the answer
might be bad luck. Three questions and nobody knows the answer --
nobody WANTS to answer?
PLEASE, if I did anything wrong in asking questions on this list,
I''d truly and heartily like to know. If it''s anything about my
person, maybe it can be changed?
Thanks for your time.
-- Raphael
--
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
This list gets a lot of traffic, and sometimes things get missed. Sometimes I''ve noticed that depending on the time of day / timezone you''re in, will make a big difference in responses. How about posting your questions again. Michael
hehe .. I''m don''t know about your questions .. but i know i will only answer when i think i can help. so: easy question = many to answer .. and some might even do it hard question = few to answer .. but one should be enough :) I''m still new at rails and this is in fact my first attendance on a mailing list, but i will agree with you that many of the questions here are easy (even i can answer a few after 2 weeks of rails). - Brian On 5/2/06, Raphael Schmid <raphael@schwarzschmid.de> wrote:> > Hi List, > > it appears that for the third or fourth time now, I''ve asked a > question that nobody seems to respond to. Other questions (often > things that could quite easily have been extracted by searching > with Google or from api.rubyonrails.org) are answered almost > momentarily. > > I''ve to admit I''m more than a little frustrated by this, so have > to ask myself if it was my own fault that none of these questions > was answered. Let''s see: > > * Included error messages, if applicable > > * Said what steps I had already undertaken > to gain an understanding of the problem > by myself > > * Was polite > > Is there anything else that one has to do? One question and nobody > knows the answer -- okay. Two questions and nobody knows the answer > might be bad luck. Three questions and nobody knows the answer -- > nobody WANTS to answer? > > PLEASE, if I did anything wrong in asking questions on this list, > I''d truly and heartily like to know. If it''s anything about my > person, maybe it can be changed? > > Thanks for your time. > > -- Raphael > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060502/540211c4/attachment.html
Hi Raphael ~ The Rails community provides answers for free. It is just a nice thing that some of us like to do in our spare time. It is unfortunate that your questions were not answered, when you found answers did you reply and share them with the community? There are a lot of people I can think of, Ezra for one, who spend a lot of time answering questions. Not all questions asked are good questions. Not all questions are easily answered. Many questions are so specific to a situation, that without actually understanding the bigger picture, it is impossible for the community to answer. There are also questions that demonstrate a lack of understanding for basic principles of computers believe it or not... Now I have never read your questions, but I can tell you many, many people did. ~ Ben On 5/2/06, Raphael Schmid <raphael@schwarzschmid.de> wrote:> Hi List, > > it appears that for the third or fourth time now, I''ve asked a > question that nobody seems to respond to. Other questions (often > things that could quite easily have been extracted by searching > with Google or from api.rubyonrails.org) are answered almost > momentarily. > > I''ve to admit I''m more than a little frustrated by this, so have > to ask myself if it was my own fault that none of these questions > was answered. Let''s see: > > * Included error messages, if applicable > > * Said what steps I had already undertaken > to gain an understanding of the problem > by myself > > * Was polite > > Is there anything else that one has to do? One question and nobody > knows the answer -- okay. Two questions and nobody knows the answer > might be bad luck. Three questions and nobody knows the answer -- > nobody WANTS to answer? > > PLEASE, if I did anything wrong in asking questions on this list, > I''d truly and heartily like to know. If it''s anything about my > person, maybe it can be changed? > > Thanks for your time. > > -- Raphael > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-- Ben Reubenstein 303-947-0446 http://www.benr75.com
Raphael, ansonsten probier es doch mal auf der deutschen Rails-ML: http://www.rubyonrails-ug.de/ Gr??e Beate
On 5/2/06, Raphael Schmid <raphael@schwarzschmid.de> wrote:> it appears that for the third or fourth time now, I''ve asked a > question that nobody seems to respond to. Other questions (often > things that could quite easily have been extracted by searching > with Google or from api.rubyonrails.org) are answered almost > momentarily. > > I''ve to admit I''m more than a little frustrated by this, so have > to ask myself if it was my own fault that none of these questions > was answered. Let''s see:You''ve been asking about i18n, which nearly no one cares about. Not that it isn''t important, but relatively very few people need or want to know about this. i.e. Few people know the answer offhand. Also, you''ve been answering your own questions shortly after asking them, so why would anyone else bother to look into it when you''ve already fixed your own issue? -- James
Hi Raphael, I''ve had the same experience, but I think it''s really just a factor of the amount of traffic on the list. You might try the IRC channel. If I can''t get help on the list, I''m usually able to get some sort of response on IRC. Sean On 5/2/06, Raphael Schmid <raphael@schwarzschmid.de> wrote:> Hi List, > > it appears that for the third or fourth time now, I''ve asked a > question that nobody seems to respond to. Other questions (often > things that could quite easily have been extracted by searching > with Google or from api.rubyonrails.org) are answered almost > momentarily. > > I''ve to admit I''m more than a little frustrated by this, so have > to ask myself if it was my own fault that none of these questions > was answered. Let''s see: > > * Included error messages, if applicable > > * Said what steps I had already undertaken > to gain an understanding of the problem > by myself > > * Was polite > > Is there anything else that one has to do? One question and nobody > knows the answer -- okay. Two questions and nobody knows the answer > might be bad luck. Three questions and nobody knows the answer -- > nobody WANTS to answer? > > PLEASE, if I did anything wrong in asking questions on this list, > I''d truly and heartily like to know. If it''s anything about my > person, maybe it can be changed? > > Thanks for your time. > > -- Raphael > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
I agree and I suspect what Amy Hoy talks about here http://www.slash7.com/pages/vampires has happened! -bakki On 5/2/06, Sean Hussey <seanhussey@gmail.com> wrote:> Hi Raphael, > > I''ve had the same experience, but I think it''s really just a factor of > the amount of traffic on the list. > > You might try the IRC channel. If I can''t get help on the list, I''m > usually able to get some sort of response on IRC. > > Sean > > > On 5/2/06, Raphael Schmid <raphael@schwarzschmid.de> wrote: > > Hi List, > > > > it appears that for the third or fourth time now, I''ve asked a > > question that nobody seems to respond to. Other questions (often > > things that could quite easily have been extracted by searching > > with Google or from api.rubyonrails.org) are answered almost > > momentarily. > > > > I''ve to admit I''m more than a little frustrated by this, so have > > to ask myself if it was my own fault that none of these questions > > was answered. Let''s see: > > > > * Included error messages, if applicable > > > > * Said what steps I had already undertaken > > to gain an understanding of the problem > > by myself > > > > * Was polite > > > > Is there anything else that one has to do? One question and nobody > > knows the answer -- okay. Two questions and nobody knows the answer > > might be bad luck. Three questions and nobody knows the answer -- > > nobody WANTS to answer? > > > > PLEASE, if I did anything wrong in asking questions on this list, > > I''d truly and heartily like to know. If it''s anything about my > > person, maybe it can be changed? > > > > Thanks for your time. > > > > -- Raphael > > > > -- > > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
i''ve had the same experience. straightforward questions are answered quickly because it''s easier. if i can bang out a two second response and help someone, i will, but if there''s a real stumper, i usually don''t have the bandwidth (ok, fine -- or the skills!) to do a code review and really dig into it. raphael, it''s not personal, it''s actually a reflection of your politeness -- you''ve had the courtesy to figure out the low-hanging fruit yourself. don''t let it stop you from posting, there''s always a chance that someone recently ran into the same complicated issue and can help. i don''t always get a response here, but this list has been a godsend when i have (and many, many thanks to responders for that).> Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 17:16:22 -0400 > From: "Sean Hussey" <seanhussey@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Rails] [OT]: Asking questions on this list > To: rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > Message-ID: > <c89c8a510605021416i248c6051m9f090db0fa043dc2@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Raphael, > > I''ve had the same experience, but I think it''s really just a factor of > the amount of traffic on the list. > > You might try the IRC channel. If I can''t get help on the list, I''m > usually able to get some sort of response on IRC. > > Sean > > > On 5/2/06, Raphael Schmid <raphael@schwarzschmid.de> wrote: > > Hi List, > > > > it appears that for the third or fourth time now, I''ve asked a > > question that nobody seems to respond to. Other questions (often > > things that could quite easily have been extracted by searching > > with Google or from api.rubyonrails.org) are answered almost > > momentarily. > > > > I''ve to admit I''m more than a little frustrated by this, so have > > to ask myself if it was my own fault that none of these questions > > was answered. Let''s see: > > > > * Included error messages, if applicable > > > > * Said what steps I had already undertaken > > to gain an understanding of the problem > > by myself > > > > * Was polite > > > > Is there anything else that one has to do? One question and nobody > > knows the answer -- okay. Two questions and nobody knows the answer > > might be bad luck. Three questions and nobody knows the answer -- > > nobody WANTS to answer? > > > > PLEASE, if I did anything wrong in asking questions on this list, > > I''d truly and heartily like to know. If it''s anything about my > > person, maybe it can be changed? > > > > Thanks for your time. > > > > -- Raphael---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
On May 2, 2006, at 12:39 PM, Raphael Schmid wrote:> it appears that for the third or fourth time now, I''ve asked a > question that nobody seems to respond to. Other questions (often > things that could quite easily have been extracted by searching > with Google or from api.rubyonrails.org) are answered almost > momentarily. > > I''ve to admit I''m more than a little frustrated by this, so have > to ask myself if it was my own fault that none of these questions > was answered. Let''s see: > > * Included error messages, if applicable > > * Said what steps I had already undertaken > to gain an understanding of the problem > by myself > > * Was politeI just looked over your posts. It appears to me that you''ve asked several questions about internationalization. This is is a Rails mailing list, not a GetText or generalized Ruby mailing list. Additionally, the Rails community doesn''t seem to have a clear consensus on the issue, likely due to Ruby''s weaknesses there, so I think *most* people using Rails aren''t using it for projects that need internationalization and therefore cannot answer your questions. The only other topic was ultra basic routing. I can tell you that I only answer questions that cannot be answered by reading the excellent Pragmatic Programmer Agile Web Development with Rails book. Why do I draw the line there? Because the book is excellent, affordable, available and inexpensive. If everyone read it before posting here, there would be a much higher signal to noise ratio on this list. -- -- Tom Mornini
Hi, thank you all for your replies! They did, in any case, give me back the good feeling I previously had about Rails and support for it. Especially Beate''s hint was probably worth gold, since chances that users on the German mailing list (which I am on...) care about i18n. As for what you, Tom, said... I did buy both the Pickaxe and the Agile book when I started out with Rails. Meanwhile there''s also a couple of others on my shelve (Rails Recipes, Ruby and Rails, ...). I think the problem mainly is (with me, anyways, might not be that way with other people) that sometimes you''re just so messed up by fiddling around already that you only understand direct, very basic and specific hints as to what you have to do. A book _has_ to be a bit more generic than that, and explain what [routing] actually is and how it works in principle. Anyways. A good evening everybody! -- Raphael -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.