My application has two models I''d like to have multiple join tables between, Users and Groups. Users have the ability to subscribe to a Group, while a Group would like to know its membership. Additionally, a User can administer several Groups and a Group should know about its several Administators (Users). I have the following declarations: class Administrator < ActiveRecord::Base belongs_to :user belongs_to :group end class GroupSubscription < ActiveRecord::Base belongs_to :user belongs_to :group end class Group < ActiveRecord::Base has_many :group_subscriptions has_many :users, :through => :group_subscriptions has_many :administrators has_many :users, :through => :administrators end class User < ActiveRecord::Base has_many :group_subscriptions has_many :groups, :through => :group_subscriptions has_many :administrators has_many :groups, :through => :administrators end In the database, I have Users, Groups, Group_Subscriptions, and Administrators (admin holds a user_id, and group_id) tables. Obviously, what seems to be happening is that the second :groups declaration overrides the first, preventing me from finding the groups that someone is subscribed to. It seems as if I should want to provide a different name for the association while still specifying that it should be between Users and Groups. In essence, saying the following in User: has_many :administrators has_many: groups_administered, :through => :administrators However, this causes Active Record (I think) to no longer know what it should be joining to with this particular association. Can anyone provide some tips on how to overcome this? Michael Jurewitz sinjin5@mac.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2413 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060403/2c467452/smime-0001.bin