Thanks for the help Tom Davies :-) I was hesitant to move to http://dev.rubyonrails.org/svn/rails/branches/stable because I''d moved to the edge so I could use Liquid, which was using svn HEAD, i''d thot. I did tho and all is good w/Liquid and ''mysql has gone away'' has gone, hopefully, far far away! Seems good thus far ... Bring on 1.0. :Paul