The Trails project (a Java framework inspired by Rails) now has its own 10-minute video. It implements the Recipe app from my ONLamp.com article: http://jroller.com/page/ccnelson/20050208#i_got_the_video_done Its pretty impressive by Java standards. There will be a lot of Java programmers wow''d by this (and rightfully so). Of course, Rails still has a very significant edge, and I would love to have a direct and dramatic way to demonstrate this. If we had a Rails video that implemented the same Recipe app, then a side-by-side playback would make the point (what was done in Trails'' 10-minute video could be done in 3-4 minutes in Rails). Would someone be able/willing to create such a video? I''ve got presentations schedule to Java User''s Groups in March, April, and June, and I''d love to show such a video as part of the presentation. Curt PS Maybe we could start a trend -- the recipe web app could replace the pet-store as the sample app for extreme R.A.D. development frameworks! ;-)
On Tue, 2005-02-08 at 11:22 -0600, Curt Hibbs wrote:> The Trails project (a Java framework inspired by Rails) now has its own > 10-minute video. It implements the Recipe app from my ONLamp.com article: > > http://jroller.com/page/ccnelson/20050208#i_got_the_video_done > > Its pretty impressive by Java standards. There will be a lot of Java > programmers wow''d by this (and rightfully so). > > Of course, Rails still has a very significant edge, and I would love to have > a direct and dramatic way to demonstrate this. If we had a Rails video that > implemented the same Recipe app, then a side-by-side playback would make the > point (what was done in Trails'' 10-minute video could be done in 3-4 minutes > in Rails). > > Would someone be able/willing to create such a video? > > I''ve got presentations schedule to Java User''s Groups in March, April, and > June, and I''d love to show such a video as part of the presentation. > > CurtVnc2swf is great for this..and if you have windows, wink is a nice free tool. vnc2swf: http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/ wink: http://www.debugmode.com/wink/ Cheers, Robby -- /*************************************** * Robby Russell | Owner.Developer.Geek * PLANET ARGON | www.planetargon.com * Portland, OR | robby-/Lcn8Y7Ot69QmPsQ1CNsNQ@public.gmane.org * 503.351.4730 | blog.planetargon.com * PHP/PostgreSQL Hosting & Development * --- Now hosting Ruby on Rails Apps --- ****************************************/
Robby Russell wrote:> > On Tue, 2005-02-08 at 11:22 -0600, Curt Hibbs wrote: > > The Trails project (a Java framework inspired by Rails) now has its own > > 10-minute video. It implements the Recipe app from my > ONLamp.com article: > > > > http://jroller.com/page/ccnelson/20050208#i_got_the_video_done > > > > Its pretty impressive by Java standards. There will be a lot of Java > > programmers wow''d by this (and rightfully so). > > > > Of course, Rails still has a very significant edge, and I would > love to have > > a direct and dramatic way to demonstrate this. If we had a > Rails video that > > implemented the same Recipe app, then a side-by-side playback > would make the > > point (what was done in Trails'' 10-minute video could be done > in 3-4 minutes > > in Rails). > > > > Would someone be able/willing to create such a video? > > > > I''ve got presentations schedule to Java User''s Groups in March, > April, and > > June, and I''d love to show such a video as part of the presentation. > > > > Curt > > Vnc2swf is great for this..and if you have windows, wink is a nice free > tool. > > vnc2swf: http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/ > wink: http://www.debugmode.com/wink/Thanks for the links. I''m really trying to get someone excited enough to do it. I''ve got too many things on my plate right now to do it myself. If there''s anyone on this list who really wants to help promote Rails, and has the time to do this, please volunteer. Thanks, Curt
Curt Hibbs wrote:>The Trails project (a Java framework inspired by Rails) now has its own >10-minute video. It implements the Recipe app from my ONLamp.com article: > > http://jroller.com/page/ccnelson/20050208#i_got_the_video_done > >Its pretty impressive by Java standards. There will be a lot of Java >programmers wow''d by this (and rightfully so). > >Ok, sure Trails is a good thing for the Java world, since it actually helps increasing productivity. But I couldnt help noticing how much of the productivity gains rely heavily on the Eclipse IDE tools. It just makes me feel crippled in someway... Anyway, it deserves a thumbs up. Funny thing is that the design for Trails didnt occur to the Java people until Rails came along. It is a clear example that learning and thinking in other programming languages can improve your skills on any platform. Rgds Dema
On Wednesday 09 February 2005 11:12 am, Demetrius Nunes wrote:> Funny thing is that the design for Trails didnt occur to the Java people > until Rails came along. It is a clear example that learning and thinking > in other programming languages can improve your skills on any platform.Although inspired by Rails (and cleverly playing off the name), Chris is really trying to reproduce naked objects in a java/web platform (rather than produce a generic web framework like rails). The Rails 10 minute video inspired him to follow up on some ideas that have been cooking in his head for a while. That being said, there have been reported sightings of Chris at the Cincinnati XP users group the night they started using Ruby (http://onestepback.org/index.cgi/Tech/XpCinci/Feb2005.html). -- -- Jim Weirich jim-Fxty1mrVU9GlFc2d6oM/ew@public.gmane.org http://onestepback.org ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it." -- Donald Knuth (in a memo to Peter van Emde Boas)
One thing to he kind of skipped over - notice each time he does a redeploy, the ant task takes about 37 seconds. I''ve been working with Spring and Hibernate for a while, and that''s pretty common. It just takes a long time to reload your application (necessary any time you change code). These technologies are good, but you don''t get the instant gratification, making it much harder to design and implement as you go. It sure was nice that Trails picked up the many-to-one relationship for the scaffolding though... On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 02:34:34 -0500, Jim Weirich <jim-Fxty1mrVU9GlFc2d6oM/ew@public.gmane.org> wrote:> On Wednesday 09 February 2005 11:12 am, Demetrius Nunes wrote: > > Funny thing is that the design for Trails didnt occur to the Java people > > until Rails came along. It is a clear example that learning and thinking > > in other programming languages can improve your skills on any platform. > > Although inspired by Rails (and cleverly playing off the name), Chris is > really trying to reproduce naked objects in a java/web platform (rather than > produce a generic web framework like rails). The Rails 10 minute video > inspired him to follow up on some ideas that have been cooking in his head > for a while. > > That being said, there have been reported sightings of Chris at the Cincinnati > XP users group the night they started using Ruby > (http://onestepback.org/index.cgi/Tech/XpCinci/Feb2005.html). > > -- > -- Jim Weirich jim-Fxty1mrVU9GlFc2d6oM/ew@public.gmane.org http://onestepback.org > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, > not tried it." -- Donald Knuth (in a memo to Peter van Emde Boas) > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >