Hello, Vector y is an alphabetically sorted version of vector x. Will both samples, X and Y, be "absolutely" random or will they have systematic differences? And: Should I sort or shuffle a vector before sampling? Thank you, *S* x <- as.factor(LETTERS[sequence(10:1)]) y <- sort(x) X <- sample(x, 5) Y <- sample(y, 5) -- Sascha Vieweg, saschaview at gmail.com
Define: "Absolutely random"; "systematic differences" (All pseudorandom numbers are by definition generated by a deterministic algorithm from a possibly random starting seed set). On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:11 AM, <saschaview at gmail.com> wrote:> Hello, > > Vector y is an alphabetically sorted version of vector x. Will both samples, > X and Y, be "absolutely" random or will they have systematic differences? > And:Should I sort or shuffle a vector before sampling? No. -- Bert> > Thank you, *S* > > x <- as.factor(LETTERS[sequence(10:1)]) > y <- sort(x) > X <- sample(x, 5) > Y <- sample(y, 5) > > > -- > Sascha Vieweg, saschaview at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.-- Bert Gunter Genentech Nonclinical Biostatistics Internal Contact Info: Phone: 467-7374 Website: http://pharmadevelopment.roche.com/index/pdb/pdb-functional-groups/pdb-biostatistics/pdb-ncb-home.htm
This seems more theoretical than specific to R, so you should discuss this question in a more theoretical forum such as http://stats.stackexchange.com/. FWIW I believe the results will be equally random either way. That doesn't say either way will be "absolutely" random, since I don't think such a thing is possible. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Newmiller The ..... ..... Go Live... DCN:<jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us> Basics: ##.#. ##.#. Live Go... Live: OO#.. Dead: OO#.. Playing Research Engineer (Solar/Batteries O.O#. #.O#. with /Software/Embedded Controllers) .OO#. .OO#. rocks...1k --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity. saschaview at gmail.com wrote:>Hello, > >Vector y is an alphabetically sorted version of vector x. Will both >samples, X and Y, be "absolutely" random or will they have systematic >differences? And: Should I sort or shuffle a vector before sampling? > >Thank you, *S* > >x <- as.factor(LETTERS[sequence(10:1)]) >y <- sort(x) >X <- sample(x, 5) >Y <- sample(y, 5) > > >-- >Sascha Vieweg, saschaview at gmail.com > >______________________________________________ >R-help at r-project.org mailing list >https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >PLEASE do read the posting guide >http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.