this is a clearer (I hope) version of an earlier post -
My problem is formulating the random = argument to give estimates
of all 9 random components for this kind of setup where there are
(I think) 9 variance/covariance components ...
Study.1 Study.2 ... Study.5
Treatment T1: subject: 1 2 3 4 5 6 ... 13 14 15
Treatment T2: subject: 16 17 18 19 20 21 ... 28 29 30
A variable is measured at the same 2 fixed sites (a and b) on each
subject
{ Toy example data at end of email }
so fixed effects are :-
between-Treatments ( T1 and T2 )
between-sites ( a and b )
Treatment*site interaction
and random effects are :-
study effects at site a
study effects at site b
correlation between site a and site b study effects
study*treatment interaction effects at site a
study*treatment interaction effects at site b
correlation between site a and b study*treatment interaction effects
residual (between-subject) effects at site a
residual (between-subject) effects at site b
correlation between site a and b residuals (between-subject) effects
I'm having trouble seeing how to formulate this correctly in lme()
Hope someone can help ...
cheers Bob Kinley
> Toy
Study Treatment Subject Site Result
1 T1 1 a 13.901820
1 T1 1 b 19.158889
1 T1 2 a 16.026299
1 T1 2 b 15.545153
1 T1 3 a 19.667706
1 T1 3 b 21.945156
1 T2 16 a 9.822498
1 T2 16 b 13.271435
1 T2 17 a 18.602909
1 T2 17 b 15.679736
1 T2 18 a 15.083195
1 T2 18 b 18.012834
2 T1 4 a 19.394835
2 T1 4 b 13.537977
2 T1 5 a 17.921014
2 T1 5 b 12.070566
2 T1 6 a 14.419953
2 T1 6 b 16.990585
2 T2 19 a 15.489600
2 T2 19 b 21.721682
2 T2 20 a 18.553789
2 T2 20 b 16.628156
2 T2 21 a 20.310238
2 T2 21 b 18.604716
3 T1 7 a 12.458706
3 T1 7 b 17.279394
3 T1 8 a 14.598512
3 T1 8 b 17.024093
3 T1 9 a 20.821720
3 T1 9 b 22.051680
3 T2 22 a 17.923521
3 T2 22 b 11.690319
3 T2 23 a 12.547144
3 T2 23 b 15.051402
3 T2 24 a 12.865087
3 T2 24 b 13.451004
4 T1 10 a 13.819201
4 T1 10 b 18.375914
4 T1 11 a 18.540972
4 T1 11 b 15.741144
4 T1 12 a 16.992064
4 T1 12 b 16.964870
4 T2 25 a 18.583896
4 T2 25 b 19.920100
4 T2 26 a 18.782343
4 T2 26 b 15.095778
4 T2 27 a 23.042282
4 T2 27 b 19.296852
5 T1 13 a 12.425960
5 T1 13 b 12.865022
5 T1 14 a 16.774604
5 T1 14 b 15.540754
5 T1 15 a 15.726991
5 T1 15 b 8.089564
5 T2 28 a 11.694392
5 T2 28 b 24.740416
5 T2 29 a 14.664904
5 T2 29 b 16.348194
5 T2 30 a 20.911168
5 T2 30 b 15.394160>
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