Frank E Harrell Jr
2009-Feb-19 21:48 UTC
[R] Roadmap for selecting an approach to analyzing repeated measures data
Dear Group, At http://biostat.mc.vanderbilt.edu/tmp/summary.pdf I have put a draft of a roadmap for choosing a method for analyzing serial (longitudinal) data. If anyone has feedback about this, including adding criteria for judging methods that I may have missed, I would appreciate hearing from you. Thanks Frank -- Frank E Harrell Jr Professor and Chair School of Medicine Department of Biostatistics Vanderbilt University
Doran, Harold
2009-Feb-20 14:36 UTC
[R] Roadmap for selecting an approach to analyzing repeated measures data
Thanks for this, Frank. Quick comment (decided to put on list rather than just send to you directly, hope that's OK). Under mixed models, you might consider creating two smaller columns, one for the fixed effects and another for the random effects. Under the random effects, you might consider checking "biased in general" given that the BLUPs are biased, but have smaller mean squared error. Bias I think gives a slightly misleading perception about these estimates, but maybe something else can be added as an additional row that might counterbalance the "bias" issue should you choose to check it. Under footnote 'h', I think you mean "unlike". However, why do you say it doesn't use "standard maximum likelihood" methods? This led me to ask, what is a standard ML method anyway and why would the methods used in mixed models packages not be "standard" (e.g., is EM not a standard method?). Since you are referring to the use of the LRT statistic, I think maybe you're talking about REML, in which case the fixed effects are integrated out using a uniform prior. So, should it read "marginalize the fixed effects" or "marginalize the random effects" (I don't know, just asking) since we have the marginal distribution of the random effects after integrating out the fixed effects. I don't know why you might say it's hard to get CL for mixed models. Again, there are multiple "things' to get CLs for, fixed effects, random effects, and some packages provide CLs for the marginal variance components. Now, the latter are indeed hard to get when the distribution is not symmetric, in which case MCMC methods like those using MCMCsamp can illustrate. But, the first two I don't think are hard, are they? We can use the asymptotic standard errors of the fixed effects to generate the CLs and the conditional variances of the random effects for CLs of the BLUPs. Maybe add a row for "assumes constant variance over time" since some of the methods can account for non-constant variance over time. HTH, Harold> -----Original Message----- > From: r-help-bounces at r-project.org > [mailto:r-help-bounces at r-project.org] On Behalf Of Frank E Harrell Jr > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:48 PM > To: R list > Subject: [R] Roadmap for selecting an approach to analyzing > repeated measures data > > Dear Group, > > At http://biostat.mc.vanderbilt.edu/tmp/summary.pdf I have > put a draft of a roadmap for choosing a method for analyzing > serial (longitudinal) data. If anyone has feedback about > this, including adding criteria for judging methods that I > may have missed, I would appreciate hearing from you. > > Thanks > Frank > -- > Frank E Harrell Jr Professor and Chair School of Medicine > Department of Biostatistics > Vanderbilt University > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >