Dear All, I learned about R during my studies at Cologne University of Applied Science. Now I work at Allianz Dresdner Bauspar AG and I would like to install R here too. Is there any license issues that need to be taken in consideration, any fees to pay by the company? I know there are answers to this in the FAQs but I didn't really understand the legal language. Could you therefore just give me concrete answers? Thanks for you help & kind regards, Katrin Freiberger
On 10/27/2008 9:04 AM, Freiberger, Katrin wrote:> Dear All, > > I learned about R during my studies at Cologne University of Applied Science. Now I work at Allianz Dresdner Bauspar AG and I would like to install R here too. Is there any license issues that need to be taken in consideration, any fees to pay by the company? I know there are answers to this in the FAQs but I didn't really understand the legal language. Could you therefore just give me concrete answers?R is licensed under the GPL version 2, a pretty common license. You should be able to get legal advice on it internally at your company. If you ask on a forum like this, you'll get lots of advice, but some of it will likely be wrong. I don't want to add to that, so I won't give any other than "ask internally". Duncan Murdoch
2008/10/27 Freiberger, Katrin <Katrin.Freiberger at adbag.de>:> Dear All, > > I learned about R during my studies at Cologne University of Applied Science. Now I work at Allianz Dresdner Bauspar AG and I would like to install R here too. Is there any license issues that need to be taken in consideration, any fees to pay by the company? I know there are answers to this in the FAQs but I didn't really understand the legal language. Could you therefore just give me concrete answers? >When you use R, there is no license agreement in place at all. You have not, and do not have to, agree to anything in order to use R. You are free to use it in any way. When people say 'R is licensed under the GPL', that is purely applicable to copying and distribution of the R software. Other software licenses do cover usage, and forbid you from modifying or inspecting the program in certain ways. These are usually the licenses you have to click-through to run the program, since this is supposed to indicate that you have read and agreed to the license. There is no click-through license when you start R, because you don't have to agree with the GPL just to use R. Hope that helps, Barry
As others have pointed out, you can download and use R for commercial purposes for free. This is allowed under the terms of the GPL under which R is licensed. If your company requires software to be professionally supported, you might want to consider purchasing a version of R that includes a support subscription. (The GPL doesn't preclude companies charging for open-source software.) REvolution Computing (whom I work for) offers a version of R called RPro that includes support and additional documentation, and the binary is optimized with high-performance math libraries. You can find information about it at the link in my signature. # David Smith -- David Smith <david at revolution-computing.com> Director of Community, REvolution Computing www.revolution-computing.com Tel: (206) 577-4778 x3203 On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Freiberger, Katrin <Katrin.Freiberger at adbag.de> wrote:> > Dear All, > > I learned about R during my studies at Cologne University of Applied Science. Now I work at Allianz Dresdner Bauspar AG and I would like to install R here too. Is there any license issues that need to be taken in consideration, any fees to pay by the company? I know there are answers to this in the FAQs but I didn't really understand the legal language. Could you therefore just give me concrete answers? > > Thanks for you help & kind regards, > > Katrin Freiberger > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Katrin, R is completely free - no License. We've built a supported user friendly version: R-PLUS You can freely evaluate R-PLUS - the current free trial has no expiration date. At a click, import data from different formats, use Excel-like spreadsheet for manipulating your data, create publication-quality reports, generate editable graphics ... and click click to run your favorite models through dialogs. Check out the screenshots at www.Experience-Rplus.com and tell us what you think. Register for free trial. R-PLUS Team 24 Hours Tech Support Think Fast, Think Big, Without The High Cost! [1]www.Experience-Rplus.com/Conference.asp USAR2009, Las Vegas USA R|Rplus Conference. April 26-30, 2009 ! --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Freiberger, Katrin <[2]Katrin.Freiberger at ADBag.de> wrote: > From: Freiberger, Katrin <[3]Katrin.Freiberger at ADBag.de> > Subject: [R] License Question > To: [4]r-help at r-project.org > Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 6:04 AM > Dear All, > > I learned about R during my studies at Cologne University > of Applied Science. Now I work at Allianz Dresdner Bauspar > AG and I would like to install R here too. Is there any > license issues that need to be taken in consideration, any > fees to pay by the company? I know there are answers to this > in the FAQs but I didn't really understand the legal > language. Could you therefore just give me concrete answers? > > Thanks for you help & kind regards, > > Katrin Freiberger > > ______________________________________________ > [5]R-help at r-project.org mailing list > [6]https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide > [7]http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, > reproducible code. References Visible links 1. http://www.experience-rplus.com/Conference.asp 2. mailto:Katrin.Freiberger at ADBag.de 3. mailto:Katrin.Freiberger at ADBag.de 4. mailto:r-help at r-project.org 5. mailto:R-help at r-project.org 6. https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help 7. http://www.r-project.org/posting-guide.html Hidden links: 8. http://www.experience-rplus.com/Conference.asp
Katrin, R is free and you get great support from this mailling list. Check out R-PLUS by XLSolutions Corporation. The free R-PLUS trial has no expiration date. At a click, import data from different formats, use Excel-like spreadsheet for manipulating your data, create publication-quality reports, generate editable graphics ... and click click to run your favorite models through dialogs. If you have questions, please contact the support team Cheers - DS R-PLUS Team 24 Hours Tech Support [1]rplus at experience-rplus.com Think Fast, Think Big, Without The High Cost! [2]www.Experience-Rplus.com/Conference.asp USAR2009, Las Vegas USA R|Rplus Conference. April 26-30, 2009 ! --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Freiberger, Katrin <[3]Katrin.Freiberger at ADBag.de> wrote: > From: Freiberger, Katrin <[4]Katrin.Freiberger at ADBag.de> > Subject: [R] License Question > To: [5]r-help at r-project.org > Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 6:04 AM > Dear All, > > I learned about R during my studies at Cologne University > of Applied Science. Now I work at Allianz Dresdner Bauspar > AG and I would like to install R here too. Is there any > license issues that need to be taken in consideration, any > fees to pay by the company? I know there are answers to this > in the FAQs but I didn't really understand the legal > language. Could you therefore just give me concrete answers? > > Thanks for you help & kind regards, > > Katrin Freiberger > > ______________________________________________ > [6]R-help at r-project.org mailing list > [7]https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide > [8]http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, > reproducible code. References Visible links 1. mailto:rplus at experience-rplus.com 2. http://www.experience-rplus.com/Conference.asp 3. mailto:Katrin.Freiberger at ADBag.de 4. mailto:Katrin.Freiberger at ADBag.de 5. mailto:r-help at r-project.org 6. mailto:R-help at r-project.org 7. https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help 8. http://www.r-project.org/posting-guide.html Hidden links: 9. http://www.experience-rplus.com/Conference.asp
Freiberger, Katrin wrote:> Dear All, > > I learned about R during my studies at Cologne University of Applied Science. Now I work at Allianz Dresdner Bauspar AG and I would like to install R here too. Is there any license issues that need to be taken in consideration, any fees to pay by the company? I know there are answers to this in the FAQs but I didn't really understand the legal language. Could you therefore just give me concrete answers?This question has (up to now) lead to contributions from representives for two commercial interfaces to R. Personally, I do not object to that, these contibutions add to the information about the usage of R. Nevertheless, does anybody know anything about these products? E.g.: what are the costs for academic users? How about the basic difference between the basically open-ended approach and the rather closed menu oriented approach? That is only some or the questions I have after looking at the respective web pages. Those questions are, in respect to the original thread, a sidetrack, but may nevertheless be of interest to R users. Tom
Hi Duncan,
Yes we do follow the legal terms very carefully and make sure our general
counsel reviews all these stuff.
To answer your question, we do not distribute R. We distribute R-PLUS.
When users ask us about 'R license', it usually refers to potential
hidden
costs. However you are right that explaining the GPL terms is paramount.
Thanks -
R-PLUS Team
24 Hours Tech Support
Think Fast, Think Big, Without The High Cost!
[1]www.Experience-Rplus.com/Conference.asp
USAR2009, Las Vegas USA R|Rplus Conference.
April 26-30, 2009 !
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [R] License Question
From: Duncan Murdoch <murdoch at stats.uwo.ca>
Date: Mon, October 27, 2008 6:59 pm
To: rplus at experience-rplus.com
Cc: r-help at r-project.org
rplus at experience-rplus.com wrote:
> Katrin,
>
>
>
> R is completely free - no License. We've built a supported user
friendly
> version: R-PLUS
>
This statement is not correct. R is licensed under the GPL. This is a
"free software" license, but it is not the same as having no
license.
There are obligations under the GPL that anyone who distributes GPL'd
software should be aware of.
Does XL Solutions distribute R? Does it follow its obligations under
the GPL?
Duncan Murdoch
> You can freely evaluate R-PLUS - the current free trial has no
expiration
> date.
>
>
>
> At a click, import data from different formats, use Excel-like
> spreadsheet for manipulating your data, create publication-quality
> reports, generate editable graphics ... and click click to run your
> favorite models through dialogs.
> Check out the screenshots at [2]www.Experience-Rplus.com and tell us
> what you think. Register for free trial.
>
>
>
> R-PLUS Team
>
> 24 Hours Tech Support
>
> Think Fast, Think Big, Without The High Cost!
>
> [1][3]www.Experience-Rplus.com/Conference.asp
>
> USAR2009, Las Vegas USA R|Rplus Conference.
>
> April 26-30, 2009 !
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Freiberger, Katrin <[2]Katrin.Freiberger at
ADBag.de>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Freiberger, Katrin <[3]Katrin.Freiberger at ADBag.de>
> > Subject: [R] License Question
> > To: [4]r-help at r-project.org
> > Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 6:04 AM
> > Dear All,
> >
> > I learned about R during my studies at Cologne University
> > of Applied Science. Now I work at Allianz Dresdner Bauspar
> > AG and I would like to install R here too. Is there any
> > license issues that need to be taken in consideration, any
> > fees to pay by the company? I know there are answers to this
> > in the FAQs but I didn't really understand the legal
> > language. Could you therefore just give me concrete answers?
> >
> > Thanks for you help & kind regards,
> >
> > Katrin Freiberger
> >
> > ______________________________________________
> > [5]R-help at r-project.org mailing list
> > [6][4]https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
> > PLEASE do read the posting guide
> > [7][5]http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
> > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained,
> > reproducible code.
>
> References
>
> Visible links
> 1. [6]http://www.experience-rplus.com/Conference.asp
> 2. [7]mailto:Katrin.Freiberger at ADBag.de
> 3. [8]mailto:Katrin.Freiberger at ADBag.de
> 4. [9]mailto:r-help at r-project.org
> 5. [10]mailto:R-help at r-project.org
> 6. [11]https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
> 7. [12]http://www.r-project.org/posting-guide.html
>
> Hidden links:
> 8. [13]http://www.experience-rplus.com/Conference.asp
> ______________________________________________
> R-help at r-project.org mailing list
> [14]https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
> PLEASE do read the posting guide
[15]http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
>
References
1. http://www.Experience-Rplus.com/Conference.asp
2. http://www.Experience-Rplus.com/
3. http://www.Experience-Rplus.com/Conference.asp
4. https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
5. http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
6. http://www.experience-rplus.com/Conference.asp
7. http://email01.secureserver.net/pcompose.php#Compose
8. http://email01.secureserver.net/pcompose.php#Compose
9. http://email01.secureserver.net/pcompose.php#Compose
10. http://email01.secureserver.net/pcompose.php#Compose
11. https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
12. http://www.r-project.org/posting-guide.html
13. http://www.experience-rplus.com/Conference.asp
14. https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
15. http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
David Smith wrote:> Hi Tom, > > We're in the process of updating the information on our website for > academic users, but in general we're making RPro available to academic > users free of charge. I'm just gathering the information from the > department in charge of the academic program, and I'll make a public > reply to r-help when I get that info. Just wanted to respond to your > question directly in the interim.Thanks. I am looking forward to more information.> > RPro isn't going the route of a closed menu approach -- it's the same R > command-line and script mode you're used to from R. We're focussing > more on performance, parallel computation, and additional packages.Good. On the other hand, this sounds like it is (or will be) somewhat similar to the interfaces that already are avialble, e.g. Tinn-R or Rcmdr. So, what are the advantages?> > I'd be happy to answer any other questions you might have of RPro -- > feel free to call or email.Thank you. Tom
Thank you Simon,
We are working on the linux version as well and will roll out more products
during our conference in Las Vegas next year.
Regards
R-PLUS Team
24 Hours Tech Support
Think Fast, Think Big, Without The High Cost!
[1]www.Experience-Rplus.com/Conference.asp
USAR2009, Las Vegas USA R|Rplus Conference.
April 26-30, 2009 !
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [R] License Question
From: "Simon Blomberg" <s.blomberg1 at uq.edu.au>
Date: Tue, October 28, 2008 4:45 am
To: "Barry Rowlingson" <b.rowlingson at lancaster.ac.uk>,
<rplus at experience-rplus.com>
Cc: <r-help at r-project.org>, "Duncan Murdoch" <murdoch
at stats.uwo.ca>
I downloaded the trial version and during the installation it told me that
I had to install R first (from CRAN). So it looks like the R-PLUS interface
is separate from R. They do not distribute R with R-PLUS. I'm in no way
associated with this company, and I don't want or need a GUI for my own
work. And its a Windows program. So I won't be using R-PLUS.
Simon.
Simon Blomberg, BSc (Hons), PhD, MAppStat.
Lecturer and Consultant Statistician
Faculty of Biological and Chemical Sciences
The University of Queensland
St. Lucia Queensland 4072
Australia
T: +61 7 3365 2506
email: S.Blomberg1_at_uq.edu.au
[2]http://www.uq.edu.au/~uqsblomb/
Policies:
1. I will NOT analyse your data for you.
2. Your deadline is your problem.
The combination of some data and an aching desire for
an answer does not ensure that a reasonable answer can
be extracted from a given body of data. - John Tukey.
-----Original Message-----
From: r-help-bounces at r-project.org on behalf of Barry Rowlingson
Sent: Tue 28/10/2008 6:40 PM
To: rplus at experience-rplus.com
Cc: r-help at r-project.org; Duncan Murdoch
Subject: Re: [R] License Question
2008/10/28 <rplus at experience-rplus.com>:
> To answer your question, we do not distribute R. We distribute
R-PLUS.
But your web site claims, in big capital letters, that R-plus is "THE
REAL R". If you are not distributing R (the real real R, (c) The R
Foundation), then this could be construed as false advertising.
So I'm guessing that R-plus must be an add-on to the real real R, in
which case you can't distribute R with R-plus under a non-free
license. You can unbundle it though, and tell your users to 'first go
get R'. I can't find an installation guide or a decent FAQ that
confirms this. As a non-lawyer, I'd advise you to remove 'The Real
R'
from the web site and instead put 'Works With The Real R'. And
explain
this in the FAQ. And give a link to www.r-project.org.
Oh, btw, I'd fix your blog links: go to:
[3]http://www.experience-rplus.com/blog.asp?b=act and click a
screenshot...
Barry
______________________________________________
R-help at r-project.org mailing list
[4]https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
PLEASE do read the posting guide
[5]http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
References
1. http://www.experience-rplus.com/Conference.asp
2. http://www.uq.edu.au/%7Euqsblomb/
3. http://www.experience-rplus.com/blog.asp?b=act
4. https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
5. http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html