I have switched to R having lost use of SPSS. Unfortunately all my data was given to me by collaborators in SPSS files and the datasets are too big to put into excel and manipulate (100,000 records). I am managing to import my data into R from SPSS with foreign, with no problems. I can do a hierarchical partitioning of variance analysis on the data and do basic stuff like calculate means. I'm now trying to do mixed models with lmer (lme4 package). I can do the model, get the results (I realise it doesn't give p-values, not quite got my head round this yet, but am aware of authors post on why in R wiki; will need to read more about mixed models to fully understand his answer) and do some basic residuals plots. e.g. I can plot residuals versus fitted values. My PROBLEM:- -I can't plot residuals or fitted values against any of the variables. I think this is because the model and dataset are of different lengths due to lots of NA values. For my model, I specify na.exclude. Ideally I'd like to remove all the NA data at the read.table stage but I can't get it to do this. I also think I might be using the wrong code (am use lme examples in the R book by Crawley). -I wish to extract fitted values for certain factors in my model e.g. sex. At the moment I can only get all of the fitted values, and not subset them. I think perhaps I have dived in rather deep into stats given my sparse knowledge of R and of mixed models, but unfortunately I don't have use of SPSS or SAS to play with, so have no choice. Any help is much welcomed. I am slowly overcoming my fear of no menus and starting to see the softwares potential. Dr Katherine Jones Department of Biology Carleton University