Thanks for this clarification.
I have learned in the meantime that it is necessary to be very careful when
using all these POSIX things.
As another example, here is something that made me scratch my head just
yesterday:
When I create a sequence of days that happens to start before and ends in
daylight savings time, I seem to lose a day:
> seq(from = strptime("20030329", format="%Y%m%d"), to=
strptime("20030402",
format="%Y%m%d"), by="DSTday")
[1] "2003-03-29 Westeurop?ische Normalzeit" "2003-03-30
Westeurop?ische
Normalzeit"
[3] "2003-03-31 Westeurop?ische Sommerzeit" "2003-04-01
Westeurop?ische
Sommerzeit"> seq(from = strptime("20030329", format="%Y%m%d"), to=
strptime("20030402",
format="%Y%m%d"), by="day")
[1] "2003-03-29 00:00:00 Westeurop?ische Normalzeit" "2003-03-30
00:00:00
Westeurop?ische Normalzeit"
[3] "2003-03-31 01:00:00 Westeurop?ische Sommerzeit" "2003-04-01
01:00:00
Westeurop?ische Sommerzeit"
Again, my expectations might be wrong here, and there will be good reasons
why I get this result (my OS again?).
But considering all these subtle issues I have encountered so far,
personally I can understand why some people suggested that it may be easier
to use the chron or date package (especially if you are a beginner, have no
prior experience with all these things, and don't want to worry about time
zones, DST, or the pitfalls of your OS).
At least it was useful for me to cross-check the results I obtained with
POSIX with the results using chron.
The POSIX classes are a great thing, but as they are much more powerful,
they are also more complex and have more things to watch out for and more
"traps" to fall in (for me at least ;-)).
-Heinrich.
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Prof Brian Ripley [mailto:ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk]
> Gesendet: Samstag, 22. November 2003 20:56
> An: RINNER Heinrich
> Cc: r-help at stat.math.ethz.ch; Simon.Fear at synequanon.com
> Betreff: Re: [R] ISOdate() and strptime()
>
>
> Confirmation that this *is* an OS-specific problem: A professional
> implementation of the POSIX standard (Solaris) gets all of
> these correct.
>
> Your so-called OS lacks any implementation of strptime, so we
> borrowed one
> from glibc. Unfortunately, that is buggy, even to the extent that
>
> unclass(strptime("2003-22-20", format="%Y-%m-%d"))
> unclass(strptime("2003 22 20", format="%Y %m %d"))
>
> give different answers! (And RH8.0 gives the same answers as the
> substitute code used on R for Windows.)
>
> I believe Simon Fear owes the R-developers a public apology
> for his (not
> properly referenced in the archives) reply to this thread.
>
> BDR
>
> On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Prof Brian Ripley wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, RINNER Heinrich wrote:
> >
> > > Dear R-people!
> > >
> > > I am using R 1.8.0, under Windows XP.
> > > While using ISOdate() and strptime(), I noticed the
> following behaviour when
> > > "wrong" arguments (e.g., months>12) are given to
these functions:
> > >
> > > > ISOdate(year=2003,month=2,day=20) #ok
> > > [1] "2003-02-20 13:00:00 Westeurop?ische Normalzeit"
> > > > ISOdate(year=2003,month=2,day=30) #wrong day, but
> returns a value
> > > [1] "2003-03-02 13:00:00 Westeurop?ische Normalzeit"
> > > > ISOdate(year=2003,month=2,day=35) #wrong day, and returns NA
> > > [1] NA
> > > > ISOdate(year=2003,month=2,day=40) #wrong day, but
> returns a value
> > > [1] "2003-02-04 01:12:00 Westeurop?ische Normalzeit"
> > > > ISOdate(year=2003,month=22,day=20) #wrong month, but
> returns a value
> > > [1] "2003-02-02 21:12:00 Westeurop?ische Normalzeit"
> > >
> > > And almost the same with strptime():
> > > > strptime("2003-02-20",
format="%Y-%m-%d")
> > > [1] "2003-02-20"
> > > > strptime("2003-02-30",
format="%Y-%m-%d")
> > > [1] "2003-03-02"
> > > > strptime("2003-02-35",
format="%Y-%m-%d")
> > > [1] NA
> > > > strptime("2003-02-40",
format="%Y-%m-%d")
> > > [1] "2003-02-04"
> > > > strptime("2003-22-20",
format="%Y-%m-%d")
> > > [1] NA
> > >
> > > Is this considered to be a user error ("If you put
> garbage in, expect to get
> > > garbage out"), or would it be safer to generally return Nas,
as in
> > > ISOdate(year=2003,month=2,day=35)?
> >
> > Expect to get the best guess at what you intended, and
> expect this to
> > depend on your OS.
> >
> >
>
> --
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