I'm getting some abuse for asking about R-Gnome and I don't think it is fair. I did not create that project, I was just asking how it was going and whether that other project would help out. Now I'm getting some email that says some of you don't want a GUI interface because you think interfaces like that are inconvenient. OK. I agree, in most cases. I think GUIs for model fitting are mostly bad. You could carry the argument even further, actually. I have a colleague who finds R to be an interference with his convenience, and he writes programs to do factor analysis and t-tests in C. I don't propose to change the R experience in any way for people who don't want a GUI. I do think there are times when it would be nice to have a GUI, though, for touching up graphs. I would like a graph window where I can click on particular items and adjust their properties, see how they look with tick marks in or out, or spaced 5 units apart or 10, and so forth. I've been doing that with Axum for about 7 years. If you have not tried Axum (or perhaps even the S+ that assimilated Axum, a la the StarTrek Borg, although I don't use it much), you should and you might revise your opinion about the value of a good OO graphing package. I can put a graduate student with Axum and they can make graphs and easily tailor them to their needs. The scripting is pretty easy, so one can graphs run over and over again or adjust to particular datasets. Their saved files work easily to customize to new data and questions. I expect, before students would be as capable with R, it would take about 5 times as long. Hell, think of the time we could save for students if there were a File/save as menu in R? (Doesn't every new user go berserk the first time they try to save a graph or print it in R? no offense intended, but it drove me crazy and every other week or so somebody else wanders through in the same quandry.) And, I do think SAS analyst is an example of how the GUI might be used to generate the code. SPSS's journaling feature does that as well, incidentally. And, at one time, I could do that with Axum, but I don't recall about S+4.0. Axum is not free, does not exist for Linux, it does not have the programmabaility of R, and it does not have some of the statistical modeling capabilities, so I'm not proposing to use Axum and I don't expect R should try to immitate it. If the powers that be say "we are canceling support for R-gnome", I might be disappointed, but I will still keep on trying to find my way around R. I'm still assembling my tip sheet, which you can see if you want to make sure that I'm actually making an effort (http://lark.cc.ukans.edu/~pauljohn/R/statsRus.html). Pretty soon I won't need a GUI, but I might still wish I had one. -- Paul E. Johnson email: pauljohn at ukans.edu Dept. of Political Science http://lark.cc.ukans.edu/~pauljohn University of Kansas Office: (785) 864-9086 Lawrence, Kansas 66045 FAX: (785) 864-5700 -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- r-help mailing list -- Read http://www.ci.tuwien.ac.at/~hornik/R/R-FAQ.html Send "info", "help", or "[un]subscribe" (in the "body", not the subject !) To: r-help-request at stat.math.ethz.ch _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._