Nut upsuser - Sep 2013 - How to find out the output of "upsc" for each UPS model supported by NUT ?

On 07/07/2013 10:03 PM, Charles Lepple wrote:
> On Jul 7, 2013, at 6:09 AM, Alf H?gemark wrote:
>
>> Do other NUT users miss knowing exactly how the upsc output will look
for a UPS model ?
>> Does anyone have opinions on where we could record such information ?
Should it be one page per model, or one page per driver with a section for each
model ?
> It would be nice to collect this information somehow. At the moment, we
only really have upsc information for the UPS models which have been
problematic, plus a few more emails where users have sent HCL updates.
>
> The exact organization of the content probably doesn't matter, so long
as the output is cross-referenced with a driver. (In the Thinkwiki example,
their use of categories seemed backwards to me at first. However, it is useful
to know whether a given laptop supports a particular feature, and the category
listing at the bottom provides that nicely.)
>
> I would be curious to hear what others think about a wiki or similar
user-editable resource. The NUT HCL was never meant to fill that role, but a
completely free-form wiki might not be as useful as a custom web site. In either
case, we would need to have some decent spam protection. The NUT Trac instance
was hit fairly hard a while ago.
>
> Mike brings up an important point, in that NUT can only relay the
information that the UPS provides. If that information is incorrect, this sort
of repository could flag those variables or instant commands as being improperly
implemented by the UPS.
>
> Perhaps we could do something like those online UPS sizing wizards: ask the
user which features matter most, and show a filtered list of suggested UPS
models.
>
> The biggest issue in my mind is that UPS vendors frequently change things
out under the hood without changing the model name. Sometimes it is for the
better - Powercom shifted to a standard USB HID PDC interface (which was easier
to support in NUT). However, APC apparently dropped support for a lot of
variables from their HID PDC interface in favor of their proprietary Microlink
protocol (see apcupsd.com for more information).
>
> Maybe we can steer people away from bad UPS models or vendors, but in the
end, if I were purchasing a new UPS, I would want a no-questions-asked, open box
refund policy from the distributor.
>
> Alf: I like this idea, but I don't have the free time to help with this
for a while. (We still need to get the first Git-based source release out the
door.) Feel free to take this idea and run with it.
>
Just to let you know, I am looking at various wiki software, and aim to 
set up a wiki where we all can document the output from our different 
UPSes with different drivers, I think it will help people who are 
looking to buy UPS and want to use it with NUT.
I hope to have the wiki up during October, but cannot promise anything.

Regards
Alf

On Sep 19, 2013, at 2:19 PM, Alf H?gemark wrote:
> Just to let you know, I am looking at various wiki software, and aim to set
up a wiki where we all can document the output from our different UPSes with
different drivers, I think it will help people who are looking to buy UPS and
want to use it with NUT.
> I hope to have the wiki up during October, but cannot promise anything.

Just thinking out loud - if none of the wiki packages have anything that would
be easy to customize (such as my previous suggestion of filtering based on
needed features), there is always the GitHub wiki component.

-- 
Charles Lepple
clepple at gmail

On 09/22/2013 11:53 PM, Charles Lepple wrote:
> On Sep 19, 2013, at 2:19 PM, Alf H?gemark wrote:
>
>> Just to let you know, I am looking at various wiki software, and aim to
set up a wiki where we all can document the output from our different UPSes with
different drivers, I think it will help people who are looking to buy UPS and
want to use it with NUT.
>> I hope to have the wiki up during October, but cannot promise anything.
>
> Just thinking out loud - if none of the wiki packages have anything that
would be easy to customize (such as my previous suggestion of filtering based on
needed features), there is always the GitHub wiki component.
>
Hi
I installed mediawiki this weekend. I will look more into the gollum 
wiki used by github.

As of now, I am just playing with structuring the wiki, to see if it 
adds value and how we might structure things.
This afternoon I have just tried to add some info about four different 
UPSes, based on output of upsc posted to the mailing list lately.

The wiki is at :
http://nutwiki.kanonbra.com/wiki/Main_Page

This is still very preliminary, so the structure and content is nowhere 
near settled nor complete.
But it gives a little taste of how a wiki might work in documenting 
which features are supported by various UPSes.

Regards
Alf