Agreed? Is Mailmate an option for you?> On Aug 10, 2020, at 7:51 PM, John Stoffel <john at stoffel.org> wrote: > > > Antonio> Thanks a million for your insight. I believe this is the thread to which you refer: > > Antonio> https://dovecot.org/pipermail/dovecot/2019-October/117219.html > > Yes, that's the thread. It looks like it's an Apple Mail client > bug/feature/screwup. I hate it, since it messes up my main text based > mail reader doing IMAP. > > Maybe I need to move to Mutt finally. Ugh... re-programming my > fingers for a new mail reader won't be fun at all. > > John > > > Antonio> On Jul 30, 2020, at 5:48 AM, John Stoffel <john at stoffel.org> wrote: > > Antonio> "Antonio" == Antonio Leding <tech at leding.net> writes: > > Antonio> Hello all? > Antonio> First, a disclaimer?I am aware that this is very likely not a Dovecot related issue > Antonio> but I am truly pulling whatever hair I have left out of my head and given the brain-power of > Antonio> this mailer, I thought someone might know what is going in here. > > Antonio> The issues is this? > > Antonio> I check the message counts for a given account using doveadm > Antonio> and get a given number. I then configure the same account in > Antonio> 3 mail clients: Apple Mail, Mailmate, and Thunderbird. Both > Antonio> the Mailmate and Thunderbird message counts match exactly > Antonio> with the doveadm numbers. Apple Mail is low in almost all > Antonio> cases. > > Antonio> I think the problem is that Apple probably uses "SELECT INBOX" instead > Antonio> of "EXAMINE" mailbox. Look in the archives for my question about this > Antonio> issue back in Oct 1, 2019. It's a client issue, and (imho) a mistake > Antonio> in the IMAP specification. But I haven't spent any time reading the > Antonio> spec closely to understand the reasoning. > > Antonio> John >
Antonio> Agreed? Is Mailmate an option for you? Never heard of it, will have to look into it. I'd be willing to change the iPhone mail reader for sure, the Apple one kinda sucks overall, especially for sorting and such. IMHO.>> On Aug 10, 2020, at 7:51 PM, John Stoffel <john at stoffel.org> wrote: >> >>Antonio> Thanks a million for your insight. I believe this is the thread to which you refer:>>Antonio> https://dovecot.org/pipermail/dovecot/2019-October/117219.html>> >> Yes, that's the thread. It looks like it's an Apple Mail client >> bug/feature/screwup. I hate it, since it messes up my main text based >> mail reader doing IMAP. >> >> Maybe I need to move to Mutt finally. Ugh... re-programming my >> fingers for a new mail reader won't be fun at all. >> >> John >> >>Antonio> On Jul 30, 2020, at 5:48 AM, John Stoffel <john at stoffel.org> wrote:>>Antonio> "Antonio" == Antonio Leding <tech at leding.net> writes:>>Antonio> Hello all? Antonio> First, a disclaimer?I am aware that this is very likely not a Dovecot related issue Antonio> but I am truly pulling whatever hair I have left out of my head and given the brain-power of Antonio> this mailer, I thought someone might know what is going in here.>>Antonio> The issues is this?>>Antonio> I check the message counts for a given account using doveadm Antonio> and get a given number. I then configure the same account in Antonio> 3 mail clients: Apple Mail, Mailmate, and Thunderbird. Both Antonio> the Mailmate and Thunderbird message counts match exactly Antonio> with the doveadm numbers. Apple Mail is low in almost all Antonio> cases.>>Antonio> I think the problem is that Apple probably uses "SELECT INBOX" instead Antonio> of "EXAMINE" mailbox. Look in the archives for my question about this Antonio> issue back in Oct 1, 2019. It's a client issue, and (imho) a mistake Antonio> in the IMAP specification. But I haven't spent any time reading the Antonio> spec closely to understand the reasoning.>>Antonio> John>>
>>>>> "John" == John Stoffel <john at stoffel.org> writes:Antonio> Agreed? Is Mailmate an option for you? John> Never heard of it, will have to look into it. I'd be willing to John> change the iPhone mail reader for sure, the Apple one kinda John> sucks overall, especially for sorting and such. IMHO. And it's not going to work for me. I use Linux and Emacs and an elisp mail reader called 'viewmail' for most of my day to day email needs. I've been using it for 25 years now, and while it's not the fasted with IMAP handling, it's fast for me and lets me do all I need to do without using the mouse, over a simple SSH connection from anywhere, and I can edit email with Emacs, my prefered keybindings for editing. So if I could make mutt morph into the viewmail keybindings and use the basic emacs editing key-strokes, I'd probably be in heaven. Maybe. My weakness is not being able to grok elisp (or lisp for that matter) worth a damn. It just isn't a language I can wrap my head around. I guess I need to get laid off my current $WORK so I could just dive in an spend six months learning elisp and wrapping my brain around it. Hah! Not gonna happen. *grin* John