Hi John, Thanks a million for your insight. I believe this is the thread to which you refer: https://dovecot.org/pipermail/dovecot/2019-October/117219.html <https://dovecot.org/pipermail/dovecot/2019-October/117219.html>> On Jul 30, 2020, at 5:48 AM, John Stoffel <john at stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>>> "Antonio" == Antonio Leding <tech at leding.net> writes: > > Antonio> Hello all? > Antonio> First, a disclaimer?I am aware that this is very likely not a Dovecot related issue but I am truly pulling whatever hair I have left out of my head and given the brain-power of this mailer, I thought someone might know what is going in here. > > Antonio> The issues is this? > > Antonio> I check the message counts for a given account using doveadm > Antonio> and get a given number. I then configure the same account in > Antonio> 3 mail clients: Apple Mail, Mailmate, and Thunderbird. Both > Antonio> the Mailmate and Thunderbird message counts match exactly > Antonio> with the doveadm numbers. Apple Mail is low in almost all > Antonio> cases. > > I think the problem is that Apple probably uses "SELECT INBOX" instead > of "EXAMINE" mailbox. Look in the archives for my question about this > issue back in Oct 1, 2019. It's a client issue, and (imho) a mistake > in the IMAP specification. But I haven't spent any time reading the > spec closely to understand the reasoning. > > John-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://dovecot.org/pipermail/dovecot/attachments/20200810/68c5b1d7/attachment.html>
Antonio> Thanks a million for your insight. I believe this is the thread to which you refer: Antonio> https://dovecot.org/pipermail/dovecot/2019-October/117219.html Yes, that's the thread. It looks like it's an Apple Mail client bug/feature/screwup. I hate it, since it messes up my main text based mail reader doing IMAP. Maybe I need to move to Mutt finally. Ugh... re-programming my fingers for a new mail reader won't be fun at all. John Antonio> On Jul 30, 2020, at 5:48 AM, John Stoffel <john at stoffel.org> wrote: Antonio> "Antonio" == Antonio Leding <tech at leding.net> writes: Antonio> Hello all? Antonio> First, a disclaimer?I am aware that this is very likely not a Dovecot related issue Antonio> but I am truly pulling whatever hair I have left out of my head and given the brain-power of Antonio> this mailer, I thought someone might know what is going in here. Antonio> The issues is this? Antonio> I check the message counts for a given account using doveadm Antonio> and get a given number. I then configure the same account in Antonio> 3 mail clients: Apple Mail, Mailmate, and Thunderbird. Both Antonio> the Mailmate and Thunderbird message counts match exactly Antonio> with the doveadm numbers. Apple Mail is low in almost all Antonio> cases. Antonio> I think the problem is that Apple probably uses "SELECT INBOX" instead Antonio> of "EXAMINE" mailbox. Look in the archives for my question about this Antonio> issue back in Oct 1, 2019. It's a client issue, and (imho) a mistake Antonio> in the IMAP specification. But I haven't spent any time reading the Antonio> spec closely to understand the reasoning. Antonio> John
Agreed? Is Mailmate an option for you?> On Aug 10, 2020, at 7:51 PM, John Stoffel <john at stoffel.org> wrote: > > > Antonio> Thanks a million for your insight. I believe this is the thread to which you refer: > > Antonio> https://dovecot.org/pipermail/dovecot/2019-October/117219.html > > Yes, that's the thread. It looks like it's an Apple Mail client > bug/feature/screwup. I hate it, since it messes up my main text based > mail reader doing IMAP. > > Maybe I need to move to Mutt finally. Ugh... re-programming my > fingers for a new mail reader won't be fun at all. > > John > > > Antonio> On Jul 30, 2020, at 5:48 AM, John Stoffel <john at stoffel.org> wrote: > > Antonio> "Antonio" == Antonio Leding <tech at leding.net> writes: > > Antonio> Hello all? > Antonio> First, a disclaimer?I am aware that this is very likely not a Dovecot related issue > Antonio> but I am truly pulling whatever hair I have left out of my head and given the brain-power of > Antonio> this mailer, I thought someone might know what is going in here. > > Antonio> The issues is this? > > Antonio> I check the message counts for a given account using doveadm > Antonio> and get a given number. I then configure the same account in > Antonio> 3 mail clients: Apple Mail, Mailmate, and Thunderbird. Both > Antonio> the Mailmate and Thunderbird message counts match exactly > Antonio> with the doveadm numbers. Apple Mail is low in almost all > Antonio> cases. > > Antonio> I think the problem is that Apple probably uses "SELECT INBOX" instead > Antonio> of "EXAMINE" mailbox. Look in the archives for my question about this > Antonio> issue back in Oct 1, 2019. It's a client issue, and (imho) a mistake > Antonio> in the IMAP specification. But I haven't spent any time reading the > Antonio> spec closely to understand the reasoning. > > Antonio> John >