Hi list owner, Sorry for this. Is it possible to change the reply-to in mailman to be the list, and not the person who replied? Also the [Dovecot] on the subject would be handy. Just two things to get better. Thanks,
Am 14.10.2014 um 10:28 schrieb Jorge Bastos:> Sorry for this. > > Is it possible to change the reply-to in mailman to be the list, and not the > person who replied?just use "reply to list"> Also the [Dovecot] on the subject would be handyno - type "yahoo lists DMARC" in Google as well as the subject header my be DKIM signed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 181 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: <http://dovecot.org/pipermail/dovecot/attachments/20141014/fc7b3391/attachment.sig>
On 2014-10-14 10:28, Jorge Bastos wrote:> Is it possible to change the reply-to in mailman to be the list, and not the > person who replied?Every good MUA has a possibility for replying to the list. Also read http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html> Also the [Dovecot] on the subject would be handy.Nope, I disagree. If you need to filter, there is a header for this: List-Id: Dovecot Mailing List <dovecot.dovecot.org> Moritz
Am 14.10.2014 um 10:28 schrieb Jorge Bastos:> Hi list owner, > > > > Sorry for this. > > Is it possible to change the reply-to in mailman to be the list, and not the > person who replied? > > Also the [Dovecot] on the subject would be handy. > > > > Just two things to get better. > > > > Thanks, >might brake dkim and dmarc, filter with list-id Best Regards MfG Robert Schetterer -- [*] sys4 AG http://sys4.de, +49 (89) 30 90 46 64 Franziskanerstra?e 15, 81669 M?nchen Sitz der Gesellschaft: M?nchen, Amtsgericht M?nchen: HRB 199263 Vorstand: Patrick Ben Koetter, Marc Schiffbauer Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Florian Kirstein
On 10/14/2014 1:28 AM, Jorge Bastos wrote:> Also the [Dovecot] on the subject would be handy.The list used to do this. I agree with you, and the matter was debated, but the list is not a democracy and Timo, as the owner, changed the list unilaterally. The problem is that changing the subject conflicts with DKIM. DKIM is a broken standard for several reasons; it does not have allowances for mailing lists to add their name to the subject - a very common and useful practice - and these days spam filters do a far superior job than DKIM, making it too little, too late. I do not use DKIM and get no spam. That last spam I got was about 4 months ago, then another 2 months before that. 2 spams over the course of 6 months is pretty good, and that is without DKIM. Depending on your mail client, you can set up a filter that detects the mailing-list headers and adds the name back to the subject line. I do something similar and it adds back the lost functionality. :-) Best of luck. Dem
On 14 Oct 2014, at 01:28, Jorge Bastos <mysql.jorge at decimal.pt> wrote:> Is it possible to change the reply-to in mailman to be the list, and not the > person who replied?I've a patched mailman that allows you to set the reply-to headers to your mails, indicating that you want replies only to list. See the "edit options" in http://dovecot.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dovecot I sometimes (well, nowadays probably too often) reply to mails very late, and I always do reply-to-all then, because there's a good chance that the person who originally sent the mail isn't actively reading Dovecot list and would miss the reply otherwise. Also when I'm in other mailing lists I prefer people to Cc me, because I'm not actively reading any of those lists and I could easily miss the reply. But people are different and want different things. I don't know if there's any good solution to this. Except maybe if everybody always did reply-to-all and people could start configuring their mail clients in a way to hide the private replies if they don't want to see them.> Also the [Dovecot] on the subject would be handy.As mentioned, this breaks DKIM. You could create a local Sieve script to add the [Dovecot] subject.
Perfect :)> -----Original Message----- > From: dovecot [mailto:dovecot-bounces@dovecot.org] On Behalf Of Timo > Sirainen > Sent: terça-feira, 14 de Outubro de 2014 18:08 > To: Dovecot Mailing List > Subject: Re: Request to list owner > > On 14 Oct 2014, at 01:28, Jorge Bastos <mysql.jorge@decimal.pt> wrote: > > > Is it possible to change the reply-to in mailman to be the list, and > > not the person who replied? > > I've a patched mailman that allows you to set the reply-to headers to > your mails, indicating that you want replies only to list. See the > "edit options" in http://dovecot.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dovecot > > I sometimes (well, nowadays probably too often) reply to mails very > late, and I always do reply-to-all then, because there's a good chance > that the person who originally sent the mail isn't actively reading > Dovecot list and would miss the reply otherwise. Also when I'm in other > mailing lists I prefer people to Cc me, because I'm not actively > reading any of those lists and I could easily miss the reply. > > But people are different and want different things. I don't know if > there's any good solution to this. Except maybe if everybody always did > reply-to-all and people could start configuring their mail clients in a > way to hide the private replies if they don't want to see them. > > > Also the [Dovecot] on the subject would be handy. > > As mentioned, this breaks DKIM. You could create a local Sieve script > to add the [Dovecot] subject.
On Die, 2014-10-14 at 09:28 +0100, Jorge Bastos wrote: [...]> Sorry for this.Than don't write it.> Is it possible to change the reply-to in mailman to be the list, and not the > person who replied?Alas, it is possible but not good: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html https://woozle.org/~neale/papers/reply-to-still-harmful.html> Also the [Dovecot] on the subject would be handy.That wastes screen space and mail filtering is - in the 21st century - better done on List-Id and similar headers.> Just two things to get better.No, much much worse. Bernd -- "I dislike type abstraction if it has no real reason. And saving on typing is not a good reason - if your typing speed is the main issue when you're coding, you're doing something seriously wrong." - Linus Torvalds