On Sat, October 24, 2015 12:23 pm, Keith Keller wrote:> On 2015-10-24, Johnny Hughes <johnny at centos.org> wrote: >> >> For the sake of everyone's sanity .. if you (any user, not mark >> specifically) don't want to use systemd, then please don't use CentOS-7. > > For example, you could help out with Devuan, which aims to remove > systemd from Debian, or you can switch to Slackware, one of the few > major distros not to even include systemd (so far).Or switch away from Linux, say, to (Free|Opnen|Net|PC-|...)BSD just to expand options. But to take advantage of the greatness of RHEL and CentOS life cycle you have to live with systemd and friends no matter what you thinks about them (you see, I already have convinced myself ;-). And yes, thanks for everybody's effort to keep discussion off the insanely polarizing us topic(s). Valeri> > Johnny, thank you for your efforts in trying to keep the mailing list > on-topic. :) > > --keith > > -- > kkeller at wombat.san-francisco.ca.us > > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On 10/24/2015 01:59 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:> > On Sat, October 24, 2015 12:23 pm, Keith Keller wrote: >> On 2015-10-24, Johnny Hughes <johnny at centos.org> wrote: >>> >>> For the sake of everyone's sanity .. if you (any user, not mark >>> specifically) don't want to use systemd, then please don't use CentOS-7. >> >> For example, you could help out with Devuan, which aims to remove >> systemd from Debian, or you can switch to Slackware, one of the few >> major distros not to even include systemd (so far). > > Or switch away from Linux, say, to (Free|Opnen|Net|PC-|...)BSD just to > expand options. But to take advantage of the greatness of RHEL and CentOS > life cycle you have to live with systemd and friends no matter what you > thinks about them (you see, I already have convinced myself ;-). > > And yes, thanks for everybody's effort to keep discussion off the insanely > polarizing us topic(s). >I am quite happy even for there to be a SIG to modify CentOS-7 to not require systemd and creating a variant of that branch. Those discussions (if enough volunteers were found to staff the SIG) would take place on the CentOS-Devel mailing list. But what is of no use to anyone is another 500 mail flame thread about systemd being the devil.>> >> Johnny, thank you for your efforts in trying to keep the mailing list >> on-topic. :)-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20151026/66bc5985/attachment-0001.sig>
On Mon, October 26, 2015 11:11 am, Johnny Hughes wrote:> On 10/24/2015 01:59 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> On Sat, October 24, 2015 12:23 pm, Keith Keller wrote: >>> On 2015-10-24, Johnny Hughes <johnny at centos.org> wrote: >>>> For the sake of everyone's sanity .. if you (any user, not markspecifically) don't want to use systemd, then please don't use CentOS-7.>>> For example, you could help out with Devuan, which aims to removesystemd from Debian, or you can switch to Slackware, one of the few major distros not to even include systemd (so far).>> Or switch away from Linux, say, to (Free|Opnen|Net|PC-|...)BSD just toexpand options. But to take advantage of the greatness of RHEL and CentOS>> life cycle you have to live with systemd and friends no matter what youthinks about them (you see, I already have convinced myself ;-). And yes, thanks for everybody's effort to keep discussion off the insanely>> polarizing us topic(s). > > I am quite happy even for there to be a SIG to modify CentOS-7 to notrequire systemd and creating a variant of that branch. Those> discussions (if enough volunteers were found to staff the SIG) wouldtake place on the CentOS-Devel mailing list. I would be very interested in that. Not as a developer which I am not, but as an end user (or almost end user as I am sysadmin ;-) If that happens, will there be announcement on centos at centos.org list or I should subscribe to CentOS-Devel mailing list? Valeri> > But what is of no use to anyone is another 500 mail flame thread aboutsystemd being the devil.> >>> Johnny, thank you for your efforts in trying to keep the mailing liston-topic. :)> > > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++