On 10/22/2015 11:50 AM, Juan Bernhard wrote:> > El 22/10/2015 a las 01:40 p.m., Nux! escribi?: >> Kai, >> >> It is a reality, but when you look at the RHEL target audience, it's >> not exactly hip devs deploying Docker in the cloud. >> Big corps, banks and the like have a very slow development cycle and >> long term support is absolutely crucial, software needs to run for >> years on end without glitches, without interruptions, in a very >> predictable manner etc. >> >> For the aforementioned devs I think the best answer are the software >> collections, that or just use a different distribution. It is what it is. >> >> >> Lucian > > Lucian, they also include the newer versions. The case of banks, who > need specially PHP version 5.3, are a slim 0.01% of php users, the rest > of the mortals, like me, who needs a simple webmail like horde running, > have problems because the rest of the world is not developing any more > with php 5.3 compatibility in mind > > Saludos, Juan >Correct .. but that is not who RHEL, CentOS, Ubuntu (LTS), or SLES type distros are for. That is what Fedora, OpenSUSE, Ubuntu, Debian, Linux Mint and any other number of "Bleeding Edge" distros are for. If you want latest and greatest .. well, then use latest and greatest. If you want enterprise, then use CentOS.>> >> -- >> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! >> >> Nux! >> www.nux.ro >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Kai Schaetzl" <maillists at conactive.com> >>> To: centos at centos.org >>> Sent: Thursday, 22 October, 2015 17:33:33 >>> Subject: Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers >> >>> Nux! wrote on Thu, 22 Oct 2015 17:27:26 +0100 (BST): >>> >>>> It's irrelevant in this case that PHP 5.3 is EOL. It will continue >>>> to be supported by Red Hat with security patches. >>> >>> Exactly. >>> Nevertheless, PHP 5.6 is not "bleeding edge" as someone else said. >>> 5.5 and >>> 5.6 are really state of the art and often necessary to install certain >>> software packages or for some functionality. The packages provided by RH >>> are much too fast outdated or have other problems. It's a reality. >>> >>> Kai-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20151022/31a5eb1c/attachment-0001.sig>
On Thu, October 22, 2015 12:49 pm, Johnny Hughes wrote:> On 10/22/2015 11:50 AM, Juan Bernhard wrote: >> >> El 22/10/2015 a las 01:40 p.m., Nux! escribi?: >>> Kai, >>> >>> It is a reality, but when you look at the RHEL target audience, it's >>> not exactly hip devs deploying Docker in the cloud. >>> Big corps, banks and the like have a very slow development cycle and >>> long term support is absolutely crucial, software needs to run for >>> years on end without glitches, without interruptions, in a very >>> predictable manner etc. >>> >>> For the aforementioned devs I think the best answer are the software >>> collections, that or just use a different distribution. It is what it >>> is. >>> >>> >>> Lucian >> >> Lucian, they also include the newer versions. The case of banks, who >> need specially PHP version 5.3, are a slim 0.01% of php users, the rest >> of the mortals, like me, who needs a simple webmail like horde running, >> have problems because the rest of the world is not developing any more >> with php 5.3 compatibility in mind >> >> Saludos, Juan >> > > Correct .. but that is not who RHEL, CentOS, Ubuntu (LTS), or SLES type > distros are for. That is what Fedora, OpenSUSE, Ubuntu, Debian, Linux > Mint and any other number of "Bleeding Edge" distros are for. If you > want latest and greatest .. well, then use latest and greatest. If you > want enterprise, then use CentOS. >And incidentally these 0.01% (even if the number is true) of Enterprise users pay virtually 100% of RH income (the last is what the brilliant job of individuals at RH is paid for from). Let's not forget they as well as us have families to support. Valeri> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! >>> >>> Nux! >>> www.nux.ro >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Kai Schaetzl" <maillists at conactive.com> >>>> To: centos at centos.org >>>> Sent: Thursday, 22 October, 2015 17:33:33 >>>> Subject: Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers >>> >>>> Nux! wrote on Thu, 22 Oct 2015 17:27:26 +0100 (BST): >>>> >>>>> It's irrelevant in this case that PHP 5.3 is EOL. It will continue >>>>> to be supported by Red Hat with security patches. >>>> >>>> Exactly. >>>> Nevertheless, PHP 5.6 is not "bleeding edge" as someone else said. >>>> 5.5 and >>>> 5.6 are really state of the art and often necessary to install certain >>>> software packages or for some functionality. The packages provided by >>>> RH >>>> are much too fast outdated or have other problems. It's a reality. >>>> >>>> Kai > > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
El 22/10/2015 a las 03:00 p.m., Valeri Galtsev escribi?:> > On Thu, October 22, 2015 12:49 pm, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> On 10/22/2015 11:50 AM, Juan Bernhard wrote: >>> >>> El 22/10/2015 a las 01:40 p.m., Nux! escribi?: >>>> Kai, >>>> >>>> It is a reality, but when you look at the RHEL target audience, it's >>>> not exactly hip devs deploying Docker in the cloud. >>>> Big corps, banks and the like have a very slow development cycle and >>>> long term support is absolutely crucial, software needs to run for >>>> years on end without glitches, without interruptions, in a very >>>> predictable manner etc. >>>> >>>> For the aforementioned devs I think the best answer are the software >>>> collections, that or just use a different distribution. It is what it >>>> is. >>>> >>>> >>>> Lucian >>> >>> Lucian, they also include the newer versions. The case of banks, who >>> need specially PHP version 5.3, are a slim 0.01% of php users, the rest >>> of the mortals, like me, who needs a simple webmail like horde running, >>> have problems because the rest of the world is not developing any more >>> with php 5.3 compatibility in mind >>> >>> Saludos, Juan >>> >> >> Correct .. but that is not who RHEL, CentOS, Ubuntu (LTS), or SLES type >> distros are for. That is what Fedora, OpenSUSE, Ubuntu, Debian, Linux >> Mint and any other number of "Bleeding Edge" distros are for. If you >> want latest and greatest .. well, then use latest and greatest. If you >> want enterprise, then use CentOS. >> > > And incidentally these 0.01% (even if the number is true) of Enterprise > users pay virtually 100% of RH income (the last is what the brilliant job > of individuals at RH is paid for from). Let's not forget they as well as > us have families to support. > > ValeriIm not saying that they must remove this package, but they also should include the newer version. I use freebsd (and its not a toy distro like fedora), and you have several ports, php, php54, php55 and php56 to choose whatever you need. Please, dont think that I dont appreciate the RH job on this, some one should support a long term version, some applications needs this, but very few. Thats all. I needed to say this, this is the only thing that bother me of centos, and its a little thing. The solution is to add another repo, but is a petty that they dont include the newer version on the default one. Centos its a great distro, dont take this a complain... its just a suggestion. Saludos, Juan> >> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! >>>> >>>> Nux! >>>> www.nux.ro >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Kai Schaetzl" <maillists at conactive.com> >>>>> To: centos at centos.org >>>>> Sent: Thursday, 22 October, 2015 17:33:33 >>>>> Subject: Re: [CentOS] PHP version not enough for developers >>>> >>>>> Nux! wrote on Thu, 22 Oct 2015 17:27:26 +0100 (BST): >>>>> >>>>>> It's irrelevant in this case that PHP 5.3 is EOL. It will continue >>>>>> to be supported by Red Hat with security patches. >>>>> >>>>> Exactly. >>>>> Nevertheless, PHP 5.6 is not "bleeding edge" as someone else said. >>>>> 5.5 and >>>>> 5.6 are really state of the art and often necessary to install certain >>>>> software packages or for some functionality. The packages provided by >>>>> RH >>>>> are much too fast outdated or have other problems. It's a reality. >>>>> >>>>> Kai >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CentOS mailing list >> CentOS at centos.org >> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >> > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Valeri Galtsev > Sr System Administrator > Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics > Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics > University of Chicago > Phone: 773-702-4247 > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >