I have an IBM-refurbished T30, which has handled Fedora well, up through F18. But it never took to F19. I'm in process of trying to downgrade, but that seems to be a monumental job. I have other computers, including a T43 and a System76 tablet; the T30's chief virtue is that it has a serial port. My GPSs and proprietary software still use the serial port, and none of the various USB adapters I've tried have done any good. But, way back when, I mapped a lot of hunting spots and game trails. I want to keep that data. Has anyone run CentOS 6.4 on a T30? How about Wine a/o virtualization? (I'm thinking running a virtual XP, and seldom if ever going online, except occasional quick checks for linux updates.) -- Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User Remember I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is.