Hi there, In Cisco web site http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/phones/ps379/products_data_sheet09186a008008884a.html It says that regardless of the technology used you have to buy a licencse. Does the license apply to use the phone with asterisk, or, can i just buy the phone? Also, the phone does not requiere to use an AC adapter if used with PoE injectors/switches. Can non-Cisco PoE injectors/switches be used with this phone? Thanks, -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Erick Perez ------------------------------------------------------------
Peder @ NetworkOblivion
2007-Sep-27 16:34 UTC
[asterisk-users] Cisco 7940G licensing with asterisk
Yes, you need to buy a license if you use it with ANY pbx, whether it is Callmangler or Asterisk or whatever. If you buy one used, then you need to pay to re-license it as well. The 7940/7960 only work with Cisco PoE, not standard 802.3af, so you will need a switch that provides Cisco PoE for it to work. Erick Perez wrote:> Hi there, > In Cisco web site > http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/phones/ps379/products_data_sheet09186a008008884a.html > It says that regardless of the technology used you have to buy a licencse. > Does the license apply to use the phone with asterisk, or, can i just > buy the phone? > > Also, the phone does not requiere to use an AC adapter if used with > PoE injectors/switches. > Can non-Cisco PoE injectors/switches be used with this phone? > > Thanks, >
Hi, i bought this device and the cost of the 7040G itself was similar to the license. if im not wrong, the telephone cost around 80?. the sip license was around 80? as well however, i am quite annoyed because the phone did not come with sip, but callmanager so i cant use it as i planned. i have read somewhere that I need to change the firmware, but i require a cisco account to download the firmware (but nobody provided me this account). we paid for the SIP license, but we did not get a SIP-capable device, and we do not have the way to download the firmware (yet). Regarding the power adapter, I had to buy them sepparately. since i do not have POE devices i cant answer your last question. 2007/9/27, Erick Perez <eaperezh at gmail.com>:> Hi there, > In Cisco web site > http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/phones/ps379/products_data_sheet09186a008008884a.html > It says that regardless of the technology used you have to buy a licencse. > Does the license apply to use the phone with asterisk, or, can i just > buy the phone? > > Also, the phone does not requiere to use an AC adapter if used with > PoE injectors/switches. > Can non-Cisco PoE injectors/switches be used with this phone? > > Thanks, > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Erick Perez > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > Sign up now for AstriCon 2007! September 25-28th. http://www.astricon.net/ > > --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- > > asterisk-users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >
You need to purchase a Smartnet license for your phone, and have it registered by a Cisco authorized reseller. The Smartnet registration will run you $10-$20 per phone, depending upon the reseller. The registration process typically takes around 24-48 hours to process. Once registered, you will receive an email from Cisco with instruction on obtaining a Cisco TAC login. Once you have your login, you will be able to access and download the SIP firmware. If you look around on Google or on the Cisco website, there is a lot of documentation out there that describes the process for migrating the firmware. I agree, it is a lot of work. I do not see Cisco shipping phones with SIP firmware on them anytime soon, as obviously their vested interest is in their CCM and CCME platforms, and their native Skinny protocol. They are being dragged reluctantly into SIP and platforms such as Asterisk present a threat....they are not going to tailor their tools and channel practices toward folks using a non Cisco platform. Cory J Andrews -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of yonoko molomo Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:37 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Cisco 7940G licensing with asterisk Hi, i bought this device and the cost of the 7040G itself was similar to the license. if im not wrong, the telephone cost around 80?. the sip license was around 80? as well however, i am quite annoyed because the phone did not come with sip, but callmanager so i cant use it as i planned. i have read somewhere that I need to change the firmware, but i require a cisco account to download the firmware (but nobody provided me this account). we paid for the SIP license, but we did not get a SIP-capable device, and we do not have the way to download the firmware (yet). Regarding the power adapter, I had to buy them sepparately. since i do not have POE devices i cant answer your last question. 2007/9/27, Erick Perez <eaperezh at gmail.com>:> Hi there, > In Cisco web site > http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/phones/ps379/products_data_sheet09186a008008884a.html > It says that regardless of the technology used you have to buy a licencse. > Does the license apply to use the phone with asterisk, or, can i just > buy the phone? > > Also, the phone does not requiere to use an AC adapter if used with > PoE injectors/switches. > Can non-Cisco PoE injectors/switches be used with this phone? > > Thanks, > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Erick Perez > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > Sign up now for AstriCon 2007! September 25-28th. http://www.astricon.net/ > > --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- > > asterisk-users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >_______________________________________________ Sign up now for AstriCon 2007! September 25-28th. http://www.astricon.net/ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Peder, can you point me to the Cisco PoE swith (pre-802.3af) that can handle the 7940G ? The 7941G does conform to the standard but it only support SCCP (shame on cisco). On 9/27/07, Peder @ NetworkOblivion <peder at networkoblivion.com> wrote:> Yes, you need to buy a license if you use it with ANY pbx, whether it is > Callmangler or Asterisk or whatever. If you buy one used, then you need > to pay to re-license it as well. > > The 7940/7960 only work with Cisco PoE, not standard 802.3af, so you > will need a switch that provides Cisco PoE for it to work. > > > Erick Perez wrote: > > Hi there, > > In Cisco web site > > http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/phones/ps379/products_data_sheet09186a008008884a.html > > It says that regardless of the technology used you have to buy a licencse. > > Does the license apply to use the phone with asterisk, or, can i just > > buy the phone? > > > > Also, the phone does not requiere to use an AC adapter if used with > > PoE injectors/switches. > > Can non-Cisco PoE injectors/switches be used with this phone? > > > > Thanks, > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sign up now for AstriCon 2007! September 25-28th. http://www.astricon.net/ > > --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- > > asterisk-users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >-- ------------------------------------------------------------ Erick Perez
Hi, sorry for my intrusion... I have the same problem with Cisco 7941G, can I do buy the the Smartnet registration also for 7941G or this license is available only for 7940G ? Thanks. ------ Salvatore. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cory Andrews" <cory at voipsupply.com> To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" <asterisk-users at lists.digium.com> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Cisco 7940G licensing with asterisk> You need to purchase a Smartnet license for your phone, and have it > registered by a Cisco authorized reseller. > > The Smartnet registration will run you $10-$20 per phone, depending upon > the reseller. The registration process typically takes around 24-48 hours > to process. > > Once registered, you will receive an email from Cisco with instruction on > obtaining a Cisco TAC login. Once you have your login, you will be able > to access and download the SIP firmware. > > If you look around on Google or on the Cisco website, there is a lot of > documentation out there that describes the process for migrating the > firmware. > > I agree, it is a lot of work. I do not see Cisco shipping phones with SIP > firmware on them anytime soon, as obviously their vested interest is in > their CCM and CCME platforms, and their native Skinny protocol. > > They are being dragged reluctantly into SIP and platforms such as Asterisk > present a threat....they are not going to tailor their tools and channel > practices toward folks using a non Cisco platform. > > Cory J Andrews > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com > [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of yonoko > molomo > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:37 PM > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Cisco 7940G licensing with asterisk > > Hi, > i bought this device and the cost of the 7040G itself was similar to > the license. if im not wrong, the telephone cost around 80?. the sip > license was around 80? as well > > however, i am quite annoyed because the phone did not come with sip, > but callmanager so i cant use it as i planned. > i have read somewhere that I need to change the firmware, but i > require a cisco account to download the firmware (but nobody provided > me this account). we paid for the SIP license, but we did not get a > SIP-capable device, and we do not have the way to download the > firmware (yet). > > Regarding the power adapter, I had to buy them sepparately. since i do > not have POE devices i cant answer your last question. > > > > 2007/9/27, Erick Perez <eaperezh at gmail.com>: >> Hi there, >> In Cisco web site >> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/phones/ps379/products_data_sheet09186a008008884a.html >> It says that regardless of the technology used you have to buy a >> licencse. >> Does the license apply to use the phone with asterisk, or, can i just >> buy the phone? >> >> Also, the phone does not requiere to use an AC adapter if used with >> PoE injectors/switches. >> Can non-Cisco PoE injectors/switches be used with this phone? >> >> Thanks, >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> Erick Perez >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Sign up now for AstriCon 2007! September 25-28th. >> http://www.astricon.net/ >> >> --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- >> >> asterisk-users mailing list >> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Sign up now for AstriCon 2007! September 25-28th. > http://www.astricon.net/ > > --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- > > asterisk-users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > _______________________________________________ > > Sign up now for AstriCon 2007! September 25-28th. > http://www.astricon.net/ > > --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- > > asterisk-users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 14:58 -0500, Erick Perez wrote:> Peder, can you point me to the Cisco PoE swith (pre-802.3af) that can > handle the 7940G ? > The 7941G does conform to the standard but it only support SCCP (shame > on cisco).The 7941 & 7961 also support SIP if you load the appropriate firmware from the Cisco website (login required). Regards, Patrick
Hi, on 7941G is needful the Call Manager license, the firmware for SIP use is available (with login) on 7912 and 7940. Thanks. ------ Salvatore. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick" <asterisk-list at puzzled.xs4all.nl> To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" <asterisk-users at lists.digium.com> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 4:33 AM Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Cisco 7940G licensing with asterisk> On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 14:58 -0500, Erick Perez wrote: >> Peder, can you point me to the Cisco PoE swith (pre-802.3af) that can >> handle the 7940G ? >> The 7941G does conform to the standard but it only support SCCP (shame >> on cisco). > > The 7941 & 7961 also support SIP if you load the appropriate firmware > from the Cisco website (login required). > > Regards, > Patrick > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sign up now for AstriCon 2007! September 25-28th. > http://www.astricon.net/ > > --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- > > asterisk-users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >
In trying to verify licensing requirements I called Tech-Data and spoke to the Cisco licensing reps there (my company is set up as a reseller through Tech-Data) and was informed by them that a license for Cisco VoIP phones is only required if connecting it to a Call Manager or any other Cisco voice technology solution such as a Cisco router. If you are connecting a Cisco phone to any other pbx they consider it a "third party solution" and licensing requirements for that vendor are your responsibility. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Peder @ NetworkOblivion Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:34 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Cisco 7940G licensing with asterisk Yes, you need to buy a license if you use it with ANY pbx, whether it is Callmangler or Asterisk or whatever. If you buy one used, then you need to pay to re-license it as well. The 7940/7960 only work with Cisco PoE, not standard 802.3af, so you will need a switch that provides Cisco PoE for it to work. Erick Perez wrote:> Hi there, > In Cisco web site >http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/phones/ps379/products_data_sheet09186 a008008884a.html> It says that regardless of the technology used you have to buy a licencse. > Does the license apply to use the phone with asterisk, or, can i just > buy the phone? > > Also, the phone does not requiere to use an AC adapter if used with > PoE injectors/switches. > Can non-Cisco PoE injectors/switches be used with this phone? > > Thanks, >_______________________________________________ Sign up now for AstriCon 2007! September 25-28th. http://www.astricon.net/ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Matthew Rubenstein
2007-Oct-01 16:24 UTC
[asterisk-users] Cisco 7940G licensing with asterisk
I just got SIP firmware images from Cisco for installation on 7970G. Cisco requires you buy a SmartNet account (about $15, no other dependencies apply) that entitles you to download a SIP firmware image file from their protected support website. The 7970G now needs a different image than the other 79xx phones, but the same rules apply to all of them. Those rules do not require any other license or other restriction, once you have legitimately obtained and installed the firmware on the phone, to use the phones with Asterisk (or any other 3rd party system). Of course, to use the phones with Cisco's CallManager product, you must have a licensed copy of the CallManager product, with all the other restrictions and fees that come with it. FWIW, the procedure of buying that SIP image from Cisco was a nightmare. I had to buy the SmartNet account from a reseller which did nothing to ensure that I completed the download transaction that was the stated purpose (as they described it to me) of buying the license. Then navigating to the license I needed, among the many versions and revisions, was confusing and opaque. The SmartNet account took days to send to me, and didn't work for the required access when it arrived. Cisco consumed an entire workweek to deliver the license that didn't unlock the website, then of course ignored requests for support through the weekend (into which their late delivery forced my request to be made). When I finally got Cisco to respond, they did deliver a knowledgeable and honest support tech who stuck with me until I had everything I needed to proceed. Though every stated "maximum" turnaround time for every phase in the process was exceeded, sometimes by many multiples. But since the image can be used only with a Cisco phone, which must (ultimately) be bought from Cisco, the kafkaesque procedure is intolerable. The image should be a one-click download that charges your credit card and comes with a SmartNet account, if they absolutely must charge the $15. In a sane world, the SIP image wouldn't have any restrictions, a free download that people could just email each other (or its URL), because its distribution would market Cisco phones. But probably Cisco knows that the SIP image lets (free) Asterisk compete with its proprietary CallManager, so they make it both a revenue source, and as complicated as possible. On Mon, 2007-10-01 at 09:43 -0500, asterisk-users-request at lists.digium.com wrote:> Message: 18 > Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:21:34 -0400 > From: "Glenn Cobb" <gec at davisfloyd.com> > Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Cisco 7940G licensing with asterisk > To: "'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'" > <asterisk-users at lists.digium.com> > Message-ID: <00d701c80436$5ea70b90$cbeffea9 at GECXP> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > In trying to verify licensing requirements I called Tech-Data and > spoke to > the Cisco licensing reps there (my company is set up as a reseller > through > Tech-Data) and was informed by them that a license for Cisco VoIP > phones is > only required if connecting it to a Call Manager or any other Cisco > voice > technology solution such as a Cisco router. If you are connecting a > Cisco > phone to any other pbx they consider it a "third party solution" and > licensing requirements for that vendor are your responsibility. > > Glenn-- (C) Matthew Rubenstein
I was told 7941G were sold with SIP firmware factory installed. Does anyone know this to be true or not ? Regards -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20071001/3ec44cfd/attachment.htm
Doug
2007-Oct-01 17:19 UTC
[asterisk-users] When is a new release with this DTMF patch going to come out?
http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=10535 It is quite serious, costing us money and ill will from our customers. Yes, we are still running 1.2.
Eric "ManxPower" Wieling
2007-Oct-01 19:14 UTC
[asterisk-users] When is a new release with this DTMF patch going to come out?
Unfortunately 1.2 is no longer getting bug fixes (except for security fixes). You will have to manually apply the patch for 1.2. Yes the 1.2 maint policy sucks for many people, including me. Doug wrote:> http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=10535 > > It is quite serious, costing us money and ill will > from our customers. > > Yes, we are still running 1.2.
Doug
2007-Oct-01 19:39 UTC
[asterisk-users] When is a new release with this DTMF patch going to come out?
At 14:14 10/1/2007, Eric \"ManxPower\" Wieling wrote: >Unfortunately 1.2 is no longer getting bug fixes (except for security >fixes). You will have to manually apply the patch for 1.2. > >Yes the 1.2 maint policy sucks for many people, including me. Hmmm. Many people believe that 1.4 is still quite buggy. (Yes, some are actually using it on production servers.) I suspect that probably over 80% of Asterisk servers are running 1.2. By not releasing bug fixes in a new 1.2 release it seems that there is quite a bit of ill will being created. > >Doug wrote: >> http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=10535 >> >> It is quite serious, costing us money and ill will >> from our customers. >> >> Yes, we are still running 1.2. > >_______________________________________________ >--Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- > >asterisk-users mailing list >To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Eric "ManxPower" Wieling
2007-Oct-01 22:34 UTC
[asterisk-users] When is a new release with this DTMF patch going to come out?
Doug wrote:> At 14:14 10/1/2007, Eric \"ManxPower\" Wieling wrote: > >Unfortunately 1.2 is no longer getting bug fixes (except for security > >fixes). You will have to manually apply the patch for 1.2. > > > >Yes the 1.2 maint policy sucks for many people, including me. > > Hmmm. Many people believe that 1.4 is still quite > buggy. (Yes, some are actually using it on > production servers.) I suspect that probably over > 80% of Asterisk servers are running 1.2. > > By not releasing bug fixes in a new 1.2 release it > seems that there is quite a bit of ill will being created.I agree with you. I do NOT work for Digium. The Digium official statement (as far as I can tell) can be seen at: http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-security/2007-August/000186.html
Steve Totaro
2007-Oct-01 22:39 UTC
[asterisk-users] When is a new release with this DTMF patch going to come out?
Eric "ManxPower" Wieling wrote:> Doug wrote: > >> At 14:14 10/1/2007, Eric \"ManxPower\" Wieling wrote: >> >Unfortunately 1.2 is no longer getting bug fixes (except for security >> >fixes). You will have to manually apply the patch for 1.2. >> > >> >Yes the 1.2 maint policy sucks for many people, including me. >> >> Hmmm. Many people believe that 1.4 is still quite >> buggy. (Yes, some are actually using it on >> production servers.) I suspect that probably over >> 80% of Asterisk servers are running 1.2. >> >> By not releasing bug fixes in a new 1.2 release it >> seems that there is quite a bit of ill will being created. >> > > I agree with you. I do NOT work for Digium. The Digium official > statement (as far as I can tell) can be seen at: > > http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-security/2007-August/000186.html > >I call for a 1.2 spoon or fork! Thanks, Steve Totaro