asterisk users - Feb 2006 - Best ATA for general residential deployment??

Try the Sipura SPA-2002.. at good prices from VoipSupply.com

We have been using those now with 0 problems.  We remote provision
them from our office here.  Once a minute (time configurable) each
device checks in with us to check out its configuration file and see
if it needs updates.   The devices run around $60 a piece, so they are
pretty cheap as well.

On 2/22/06, Adam Moffett <adam@plexicomm.net>
wrote:
> I read the thread about what IP phone is best for business deployment
> with great interest.  Our need is slightly different however.  We are
> deploying VoiP as a value-add with our high speed internet service and
> are having trouble finding the right SIP analog terminal adapter.  In
> order to support people's existing phones and wiring we need to use an
ATA.
>
> 1) The first priority is we want to set it up and never look at it again ;)
>     The way you make money on lower cost residential services is to make
> sure you spend as little labor as possible after the fact.  If we have
> to install a $200 part, we'll make that money back with the monthly fee
> over time as long as we don't have to go back to, it or replace it, or
> spend a lot of time on the phone doing support.
>
> 2) Second priority is remote provisioning....a truck roll to change
> configurations is not acceptable.  A web or telnet interface is
> tolerable, but tftp or http auto configuration is desireable.
>
> 3) Third priority is price....for obvious reasons
>
> Perhaps the biggest issue is we don't want to have to supply a router
or
> switch in addition to the ATA.  It's a lot of extra cabling that people
> might screw up, extra parts that might break, extra time for the
> installation, etc.
>
> Ideally, either a device that functions as an ethernet bridge (like
> vonage ATA's) so that it can be positioned in-line with other
equipment;
> or a combination router/SIP adapter.
>
> The absolute best thing in the world might be a combination router,
> 802.11 AP, 4 port ethernet switch, and SIP adapter with a backup
> battery.  Plug in one box and you're done.  If the router can be
> reconfigured as a bridge (for customers who prefer their own router) so
> much the better.
>
> Any reccomendations would be welcome.
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I read the thread about what IP phone is best for business deployment 
with great interest.  Our need is slightly different however.  We are 
deploying VoiP as a value-add with our high speed internet service and 
are having trouble finding the right SIP analog terminal adapter.  In 
order to support people's existing phones and wiring we need to use an ATA.

1) The first priority is we want to set it up and never look at it again ;)
    The way you make money on lower cost residential services is to make 
sure you spend as little labor as possible after the fact.  If we have 
to install a $200 part, we'll make that money back with the monthly fee 
over time as long as we don't have to go back to, it or replace it, or 
spend a lot of time on the phone doing support.

2) Second priority is remote provisioning....a truck roll to change 
configurations is not acceptable.  A web or telnet interface is 
tolerable, but tftp or http auto configuration is desireable.

3) Third priority is price....for obvious reasons

Perhaps the biggest issue is we don't want to have to supply a router or 
switch in addition to the ATA.  It's a lot of extra cabling that people 
might screw up, extra parts that might break, extra time for the 
installation, etc.

Ideally, either a device that functions as an ethernet bridge (like 
vonage ATA's) so that it can be positioned in-line with other equipment; 
or a combination router/SIP adapter.

The absolute best thing in the world might be a combination router, 
802.11 AP, 4 port ethernet switch, and SIP adapter with a backup 
battery.  Plug in one box and you're done.  If the router can be 
reconfigured as a bridge (for customers who prefer their own router) so 
much the better.

Any reccomendations would be welcome.

On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, Gonzalo Servat wrote:
> On 2/22/06, asterisk@anime.net <asterisk@anime.net> wrote:
> [snip]
>> The information needed for XML provisioning is openly available from
>> sipura/linksys. The actual linksys provisioning tools may be under some
>> license but the XML provisioning syntax is not. It is actually
>> ridiculously simple.
> [snip]
> The only XML info I found on the Sipura site was for the SPA 841.
> Nothing on the ATAs. Have looked on the Linksys site too and no info
> at all on it. Do you have a link?
The syntax did not change from the spa 841 to the spa 3000. It is the 
same. In fact it is the same across all spa-* devices.

If you read the xml examples really closely you can figure out a 
pattern...

-Dan

My $.02 is that HT486 sucks as a router.  It works well as a ATA.  I have 5 and
have all of them are behind separate routers.  The HT486 never gave me the full
download speed of my cable modem and even when my PC wasn't powered up, and
I wasn't talking on the HT486 my cable modem still looked like the HT486 was
sending traffic non-stop.  I put a Buffalo router in front of the HT486 and all
is good.  Cable modem doesn?t look full of activity during idle time and my PC
can use the cable modem to fullest potential.

It's a shame too, because I bought the HT486's for the router
capability.  It turned out to be a waste.

Marc

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Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Best ATA for general residential deployment??

Absolutely. HT-486 is my pick for best all-around unit based on ease-of-use,
value, performance and reliability. -Mike

Michael Crown
Managing Partner
www.thevoipconnection.com
321.989.6728 ext. 611
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Joseph [mailto:ast@stillnewt.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 2:10 PM
> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Best ATA for general 
> residential deployment??
> 
> 
> On Feb 22, 2006, at 10:24 AM, Rusty Dekema wrote:
> 
> > On 2/22/06, Matt <mhoppes@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Yes.. there are provisioning tools that you have to get.
> >> Unfortunately it's this catch 22 loop.  You have to prove that
you
> >> can offer 200+ ATAs to customers, or you can't get the tools,
but
> >> yet, you don't really want to offer those ATAs to the
customer's
> >> without having the tools.
> >
> > This sounds like yet another reason to avoid purchasing Sipura 
> > equipment and supporting Sipura in any way. I don't know about you
> > guys, but I have better things to do than screw around with asinine 
> > vendor policies that make it more difficult than necessary to get 
> > things done.
> >
> True, but it's kind of a "pick your poison" situation in my
opinion.
> Ht-486 anyone?
> 
> 
> 
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Time Warner provides an emta not an ATA and the technology is different. You do
not even need internet connection for that and runs over their own private
network through DOCSIS. You need to be a cable service provider to afford that.
the good ATA that we use is Linksys Rt31P2-NA, make sure you get the unlock
version. Don't get Grandstream or D-link it is a waste of time and money.You
can also get a UPS that will last for 2 hrs when power is out .
-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Adam Moffett <adam@plexicomm.net> 
> Many thanks to everyone for their input. We have been using sipura 1001 
> and 2002 units and they work great as a SIP adapter, but something that 
> can also function as a router would be more useful to us. Does anyone 
> have any comments on the Sipura 2100? 
> 
> What about a battery backup? Time Warner cable in this area provides a 
> cable modem + ATA device that includes a sealed lead acid battery 
> inside. So in a power failure the customer's phone can still function. 
> Is anyone aware of an Ethernet to Ethernet router + ATA that also has a 
> battery backup. I realize a UPS would do the job, but it's overkill. 
> 
> Thanks again, 
> Adam 
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broadbandvoice@comcast.net wrote:
>  Time Warner provides an emta not an ATA and the technology is 
> different. You do not even need internet connection for that and runs 
> over their own private network through DOCSIS.
Who manufacturers that unit? Have you found a way to interface it to a PBX?

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Grandstreams are totally useless, I had to switch all my phones to Linksys.
Grandstream will not even support you and their router side do not work for the
486 or 496.

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Andre Rodrigues (Cheyenne)"
<andre.rodrigues@cheyenne-pt.com>
> I have more than 20 ATA 386. They can not work for more than one day
without
> a local and "hard reboot". Do no buy these ata please!!! 
> 
> Regards 
> Amr 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com 
> [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of The VoIP 
> Connection 
> Sent: quarta-feira, 22 de Fevereiro de 2006 23:11 
> To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' 
> Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Best ATA for general residential deployment??
> 
> Absolutely. HT-486 is my pick for best all-around unit based on
ease-of-use,
> value, performance and reliability. -Mike 
> 
> Michael Crown 
> Managing Partner 
> www.thevoipconnection.com 
> 321.989.6728 ext. 611 
> sip:611@voiceserver.thevoipconnection.com 
> 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: Martin Joseph [mailto:ast@stillnewt.org] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 2:10 PM 
> > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion 
> > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Best ATA for general 
> > residential deployment?? 
> > 
> > 
> > On Feb 22, 2006, at 10:24 AM, Rusty Dekema wrote: 
> > 
> > > On 2/22/06, Matt wrote: 
> > >> Yes.. there are provisioning tools that you have to get. 
> > >> Unfortunately it's this catch 22 loop. You have to prove
that you
> > >> can offer 200+ ATAs to customers, or you can't get the
tools, but
> > >> yet, you don't really want to offer those ATAs to the
customer's
> > >> without having the tools. 
> > > 
> > > This sounds like yet another reason to avoid purchasing Sipura 
> > > equipment and supporting Sipura in any way. I don't know
about you
> > > guys, but I have better things to do than screw around with
asinine
> > > vendor policies that make it more difficult than necessary to get
> > > things done. 
> > > 
> > True, but it's kind of a "pick your poison" situation in
my opinion.
> > Ht-486 anyone? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
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