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Shoval Tomer

2004-Dec-08 15:01 UTC

[Asterisk-Users] more then two wildcards in one machine

Has anyone had successfully installed more then two digium wildcards in
the same machine?
I'm going for four.

thanks

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Henry Devito

2004-Dec-08 15:13 UTC

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> Has anyone had successfully installed more then two digium wildcards in
> the same machine?
> I'm going for four.
> 
> thanks
I did I installed 4 but I had to use a MAC PowerPc and Yellow Dog Linux.

I tried on a Dell Server but ran in to IRQ problems

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Henry Devito

2004-Dec-08 15:15 UTC

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> Has anyone had successfully installed more then two digium wildcards 
> in the same machine?
> I'm going for four.
> 
> thanks
I did I installed 4 but I had to use a MAC PowerPc and Yellow Dog Linux.

I tried on a Dell Server but ran in to IRQ problems

Henry Devito
Telephone Connection, Inc
Network Design / Implementation
Phone: 402.330.7510
Fax:    402.330.8586
 
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Shoval Tomer

2004-Dec-08 15:41 UTC

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henry Devito [mailto:hdevito@qwest.net]
> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 12:16 AM
> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] more then two wildcards in one machine
> 
> 
> > Has anyone had successfully installed more then two digium wildcards
> > in the same machine?
> > I'm going for four.
> >
> > thanks
> 
> I did I installed 4 but I had to use a MAC PowerPc and Yellow Dog
Linux.> 

Did you use a new PC or some old machine?
Is this a problem with linux or the motherboard, or a problem with the
cards?

I have successfully loaded four pci cards into a single machine numerous
times in the past six years. 
Most occasions for a multi legged firewall, so all of these were network
interface cards (even did a four quad card setup once).

Is this a problem with Digium cards specifically?
> I tried on a Dell Server but ran in to IRQ problems
> 
> Henry Devito
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2004-Dec-08 16:13 UTC

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>Is this a problem with Digium cards specifically?
I had IRQ issues when I tried to use three TDM400 cards and a TE410 card.
This was in a new Dell server about 3 months ago.  I finally broke down and
bought a PowerPc off ebay for $700 no IRQ problems on MACS.

Henry Devito
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Shoval Tomer

2004-Dec-08 16:13 UTC

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Thanks man,
Finally some reassuring news.

Can someone from Digium respond to this issue.

Is there some sort of hardware requirement to allow installing four
wildcards in one pc? Or having four PCI slots is enough?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Derek Conniffe [mailto:derek@rivertower.ie]
> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 12:55 AM
> To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'
> Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] more then two wildcards in one machine
> 
> For my local test asterisk server I'm using an old HP Netserver E800
(only> one processor running as I had trouble with running two) - I have 7
PCI> cards (3 X x100p, 1 X ISDN, 1 X SCSI, 2 X NIC).  The board also has
its> own
> NIC & 2 SCSI buses.  They all have their own Interrupts (very high
looking> numbers too).  Maybe its because it has a "ServerWorks" chipset?
Someone> on
> this list will know I'm sure but I'm surprised that people have
problems> with newer servers?
> 
> The output of my lspci -v is:
> 
> 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: ServerWorks CNB20LE Host Bridge (rev 06)
>         Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 48
> 
> 0000:00:00.1 Host bridge: ServerWorks CNB20LE Host Bridge (rev 06)
>         Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32
> 
> 0000:00:02.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro
100]> (rev 08)
>         Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company NetServer 10/100TX
>         Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 20
>         Memory at fd100000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable)
>         I/O ports at 2400 [size=64]
>         Memory at fd000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1M]
>         Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2
> 
> 0000:00:03.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AHA-2940U/UW/D /
AIC-7881U> (rev 01)
>         Subsystem: Adaptec AHA-2940UW SCSI Host Adapter
>         Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 16
>         I/O ports at 1400 [disabled]
>         Memory at fd101000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
>         Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 1
> 
> 0000:00:04.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
> RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
>         Subsystem: Unknown device 3030:5032
>         Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 17
>         I/O ports at 1800
>         Memory at fd102000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
>         Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2
> 
> 0000:00:05.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
> RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
>         Subsystem: Unknown device 3030:5032
>         Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 18
>         I/O ports at 1c00
>         Memory at fd102400 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
>         Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2
> 
> 0000:00:06.0 Network controller: AVM Audiovisuelles MKTG & Computer
System> GmbH A1 ISDN [Fritz] (rev 02)
>         Subsystem: AVM Audiovisuelles MKTG & Computer System GmbH
> FRITZ!Card
> ISDN Controller
>         Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 19
>         Memory at fd102800 (32-bit, non-prefetchable)
>         I/O ports at 2440 [size=32]
> 
> 0000:00:07.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage XL
(rev> 27) (prog-if 00 [VGA])
>         Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company: Unknown device 10e1
>         Flags: bus master, stepping, medium devsel, latency 66
>         Memory at fc000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable)
>         I/O ports at 2000 [size=256]
>         Memory at fd103000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
>         Capabilities: [5c] Power Management version 2
> 
> 0000:00:0f.0 ISA bridge: ServerWorks OSB4 South Bridge (rev 50)
>         Subsystem: ServerWorks OSB4 South Bridge
>         Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0
> 
> 0000:00:0f.1 IDE interface: ServerWorks OSB4 IDE Controller (prog-if
8a> [Master SecP PriP])
>         Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64
>         I/O ports at 2460 [size=16]
> 
> 0000:00:0f.2 USB Controller: ServerWorks OSB4/CSB5 OHCI USB Controller
> (rev
> 04) (prog-if 10 [OHCI])
>         Subsystem: ServerWorks OSB4/CSB5 OHCI USB Controller
>         Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 33
>         Memory at fd104000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable)
> 
> 0000:05:02.0 Communication controller: Individual Computers - Jens
> Schoenfeld Intel 537
>         Subsystem: Unknown device 8085:0003
>         Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 21
>         I/O ports at 2800
>         Memory at fd110000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
>         Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 2
> 
> 0000:05:03.0 Communication controller: Individual Computers - Jens
> Schoenfeld Intel 537
>         Subsystem: Unknown device 8087:0003
>         Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 22
>         I/O ports at 2c00
>         Memory at fd111000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
>         Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 2
> 
> 0000:05:04.0 Communication controller: Individual Computers - Jens
> Schoenfeld Intel 537
>         Subsystem: Unknown device 8087:0003
>         Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 23
>         I/O ports at 3000
>         Memory at fd112000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
>         Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 2
> 
> 0000:05:05.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c896
> (rev
> 07)
>         Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company: Unknown device 60e0
>         Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 72, IRQ 24
>         I/O ports at 3400
>         Memory at fd113000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1K]
>         Memory at fd114000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=8K]
>         Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 2
> 
> 0000:05:05.1 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c896
> (rev
> 07)
>         Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company: Unknown device 60e0
>         Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 72, IRQ 25
>         I/O ports at 3800
>         Memory at fd113400 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1K]
>         Memory at fd116000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=8K]
>         Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 2
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com
> [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Henry
Devito> Sent: 08 December 2004 22:16
> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] more then two wildcards in one machine
> 
> 
> > Has anyone had successfully installed more then two digium wildcards
> > in the same machine?
> > I'm going for four.
> >
> > thanks
> 
> I did I installed 4 but I had to use a MAC PowerPc and Yellow Dog
Linux.> 
> I tried on a Dell Server but ran in to IRQ problems
> 
> Henry Devito
> Telephone Connection, Inc
> Network Design / Implementation
> Phone: 402.330.7510
> Fax:    402.330.8586
> 
> Toshiba CTX/DK/Stratagy Certified
> Cisco Certified Internetwork Expert (CCIE) Voice ( VoIP) Cisco
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Certified> Systems Engineer RHCE Red Hat Certified Engineer
> 
> 
> 
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Shoval Tomer

2004-Dec-08 17:04 UTC

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Thanks for clearing this up.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kristian Kielhofner [mailto:kris@krisk.org]
> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 1:50 AM
> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] more then two wildcards in one machine
> 
> Matthew Boehm wrote:
> > The problem (from what I know) deals with IRQ interrupts. Each
digium> card
> > must have a seperate IRQ and must be the only card on that IRQ. I
ran> into a
> > problem plugging in just 1 digium card into each and every PCI slot
on> our
> > Dell server and it was still sharing an IRQ with the ethernet card.
It> wasnt
> > until I dissabled the usb, parallel port, serial port #2 and the
mouse> that
> > it finally got its own irq.
> >
> > Mac's don't have IRQs. This is probably why it was so easy
getting 4
> cards
> > into his mac.
> >
> > -Matthew
> 
> 
> Matthew (and everyone else),
> 
> http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/sysperf/apic.mspx
> 
> 	The problem is interrupts, not PCI slots.  As this article
explains,> sharing interrupts adds a signifigant amount of latency to the
> interrupt, causing audio droupouts and other weird stuff to happen.
It> is nothing specific to Digium hardware or Linux or anything like that.
> On a desktop running Windows (or any other OS) with a lot of devices
try> to play back an MP3 and generate network, disk, and other I/O activity
> on a machine without APIC - the audio WILL skip.  Now imagine you are
> trying to drive 96+ T1 channels, ethernet boards and who know hom much
> else.  You can see where there might be a problem.
> 
> 	Apple Mac's have interrupts.  They just have a lot of them.  A
> modern
> Mac is very similar when compared to a modern x86 with an APIC.  Read
> more.
> 
> 	This is being mitigated on the x86 arhitecture by the APIC -
> Advanced
> Processor Interrupt Controller.  You can have more than one APIC in a
> machine, and each APIC has 24 IRQs.  Most new motherboards have at
least> one APIC/processor.
> 
> Dell PowerEdge 2850 (dual Xeon):
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> ast1 etc # uname -a
> Linux ast1 2.6.9-pe2850a #2 SMP Fri Dec 3 09:23:03 CST 2004 i686
> Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
> ast1 etc # cat /proc/interrupts
>             CPU0       CPU1
>    0:    6184515         72    IO-APIC-edge  timer
>    1:          8          1    IO-APIC-edge  i8042
>    9:          0          0   IO-APIC-level  acpi
>   12:         65          1    IO-APIC-edge  i8042
>   14:         11          2    IO-APIC-edge  ide0
>   46:      19595          1   IO-APIC-level  megaraid
>   64:      66366          1   IO-APIC-level  eth0
>   65:      77045          1   IO-APIC-level  eth1
> 101:    6113521          1   IO-APIC-level  wctdm
> NMI:          1          0
> LOC:    6184694    6184698
> ERR:          0
> MIS:          0
> ast1 etc #
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
-> Apple Macintosh G4:
> 
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
--> [root@localhost root]# uname -a
> Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.8-1.ydl.7 #1 Wed Sep 22 18:46:40 EDT
> 2004 ppc ppc ppc GNU/Linux
> [root@localhost root]# cat /proc/interrupts
>             CPU0
>   19:       4540   OpenPIC   Level     ide0
>   20:         12   OpenPIC   Level     ide1
>   25:        318   OpenPIC   Level     VIA-PMU
>   26:          0   OpenPIC   Level     keywest i2c
>   27:         35   OpenPIC   Level     ohci_hcd
>   28:         97   OpenPIC   Level     ohci_hcd
>   41:       1248   OpenPIC   Level     eth0
>   42:          0   OpenPIC   Level     keywest i2c
>   47:          0   OpenPIC   Level     GPIO1/ADB
>   54:   19036943   OpenPIC   Level     wctdm
>   55:          0   OpenPIC   Edge      NMI - XMON
>   63:          3   OpenPIC   Level     ohci1394
> BAD:          0
> [root@localhost root]#
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
--> -----
> 
> As you can see, on the Dell, the wctdm board has IRQ 101.  Waaaaayyyyy
> past good ol' 15.  On the Mac, it is at 54.  Still way beyond the
> standard x86 15 limit.
> 
> Now, if you are using an OS that can't do APIC on x86, or have a
> motherboard that has a mal-functioning APIC, you are out of luck and
> have to try to get them all to play nice.  I hope that this clears
> things up some.
> 
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On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 12:01:54AM +0200, Shoval Tomer
wrote:> Has anyone had successfully installed more then two digium wildcards in
> the same machine?
> I'm going for four.
As others have said, you need to make sure you aren't sharing IRQs with the
Digium cards.  One way to easily avoid it is to go with the PowerPC
architecture, as many have suggested.

I have also noticed that multi-processor motherboards have a boat-load of IRQ
lines, also.  If you want to stick with the "intel architecture", you
can go
that route, too.

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