asterisk users - Apr 2004 - Cisco 7940/7960 SIP functionality questions

Hello,

I'm considering using Asterisk with some type of Cisco phone, and currently
considering either the 7940 or 7960 because of its more-complete functionality
(compared to the 7905).

I'm currently wondering:

	Do all the expected functions (transfer, conference, voice mail, message
	waiting indicator, etc.) work normally with Asterisk over SIP?

	What caveats are known about using these phones with SIP, as opposed to
	Cisco's proprietary SCCP?  If an SCCP module is available for Asterisk,
	how functional is it?

	How customizable are the phone menus while using SIP (or if a SCCP
	module is available, using SCCP)?

Cisco doesn't seem to have much documentation online about using these
phones
in SIP mode, so if anyone is using these phones now, I'd appreciate hearing
about your experiences.

	Thanks!

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On Apr 21, 2004, at 12:20 PM, David Carter wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm considering using Asterisk with some type of Cisco phone, and  
> currently
> considering either the 7940 or 7960 because of its more-complete  
> functionality
> (compared to the 7905).
>
> I'm currently wondering:
>
> 	Do all the expected functions (transfer, conference, voice mail,  
> message
> 	waiting indicator, etc.) work normally with Asterisk over SIP?
I've tested transfer, voicemail, and MWI.  Conference should work have  
I haven't tested it.
> 	What caveats are known about using these phones with SIP, as opposed  
> to
> 	Cisco's proprietary SCCP?  If an SCCP module is available for  
> Asterisk,
> 	how functional is it?
There are two SCCP modules, but I haven't heard about anyone using  
7940/60s with SCCP and Asterisk.  The phone works very well with SIP.
> 	How customizable are the phone menus while using SIP (or if a SCCP
> 	module is available, using SCCP)?
To the best of my knowledge, the phone's internal menus aren't  
customizable at all.  However, the 'services' button on the front panel
works just like a menu button and fetches XML content over HTTP.  You  
can get a good overview of the syntax and possibilities from  
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/voice/vpdd/cdd/3_0/ 
phsvcdev.pdf

In addition to the service button, you can also change some of the  
content reached from the directory button.  With SIP firmware v6.3,  
there are 5 menus available from the directory button:

   missed calls
   incoming calls
   outgoing calls
   personal directory
   external directory

(I may have the wording and order slightly wrong, I'm not in front of  
my phone right now).  The first 3 menus are built into the phone and  
are maintained automatically.  You can copy names and numbers from  
these three into the personal directory.  I assume that the personal  
directory is limited to ~32 entries, but I haven't tested it.  Finally,  
the external directory option fetches XML from a web server, just like  
the services button.  You can use it to implement a shared phone  
directory.
> Cisco doesn't seem to have much documentation online about using these
> phones
> in SIP mode, so if anyone is using these phones now, I'd appreciate  
> hearing
> about your experiences.
Yeah, the documentation is kind of sparse.  Google can help.  Here are  
a couple useful pages that I've tracked down:

http://www.cisco.com/global/FR/documents/pdfs/ciscotheque/ 
journee_developpeurs/ 
03_Cisco_CallManager_Version_3_3_IP_Phone_Services_nchrisso.pdf
http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/wireless/library/wi-voip/


Scott

On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 20:20, David Carter wrote:
> I'm considering using Asterisk with some type of Cisco phone, and
currently
> considering either the 7940 or 7960 because of its more-complete
functionality
> (compared to the 7905).
> I'm currently wondering:
> 	Do all the expected functions (transfer, conference, voice mail, message
> 	waiting indicator, etc.) work normally with Asterisk over SIP?
All work great :)
> 	What caveats are known about using these phones with SIP, as opposed to
> 	Cisco's proprietary SCCP?  If an SCCP module is available for
Asterisk,
> 	how functional is it?
There are 2 SCCP modules chan_sccp & chan_skinny
I've not personally used either yet, but I believe they offer working
basic functionality, but are not as advanced as SIP/IAX or, indeed, SCCP
with CallManager.
> 	How customizable are the phone menus while using SIP (or if a SCCP
> 	module is available, using SCCP)?
Services menu is very customisable:
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+Cisco+79XX+XML+Services

There is even a manager interface for Asterisk available!:
http://asterisk.edihost.co.uk/am-web/
> Cisco doesn't seem to have much documentation online about using these
phones
> in SIP mode, so if anyone is using these phones now, I'd appreciate
hearing
> about your experiences.
A good resource is:
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+phone+cisco+79xx

F

Hi, 

Would it be possible for you to provide some more info on this.

I have just bought a Cisco 7960 on eBay, but only now has the reality of needing
a login to upgrade to SIP become clear.

Can you tell me how you managed to get your phone going on Asterisk without the
image change ?

Thanks, Paul,



-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-users-admin@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-admin@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Louis van Dompselaar
Posted At: 22 April 2004 07:39
Posted To: Asterisk-Users
Conversation: [Asterisk-Users] Cisco 7940/7960 SIP functionality questions
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Cisco 7940/7960 SIP functionality questions

> There are two SCCP modules, but I haven't heard about anyone using
> 7940/60s with SCCP and Asterisk.
Let me be the first to say that I do, then.  Three 7940g over Skinny 
without any problems.
Some initial setup trouble as this setup isn't really documented 
anywhere.  But no Cisco login,
so no SIP and no choice...


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I have just bought a Cisco 7960, but haven't connected it up yet.

I've also just bought a second X100P card, which I want to use on my second
line.

The question I have is, can I use two of the buttons on the Cisco phone to
specify what line the Asterisk server uses to call out on ?  If so, how
would I go about doing that ?

Also, is it possible to assign multiple extension numbers to a single Cisco
phone, using these buttons ?

Thanks, Paul.




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From: asterisk-users-admin@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-admin@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Greg Boehnlein
Posted At: 25 April 2004 22:09
Posted To: Asterisk-Users
Conversation: [Asterisk-Users] Cisco 7940/7960 SIP functionality questions
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Cisco 7940/7960 SIP functionality questions


On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Scott Laird wrote:
>
> On Apr 21, 2004, at 12:20 PM, David Carter wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm considering using Asterisk with some type of Cisco phone, and
> > currently
> > considering either the 7940 or 7960 because of its more-complete
> > functionality
> > (compared to the 7905).
> >
> > I'm currently wondering:
> >
> >  Do all the expected functions (transfer, conference, voice mail,
> > message
> >  waiting indicator, etc.) work normally with Asterisk over SIP?
>
> I've tested transfer, voicemail, and MWI.  Conference should work have
> I haven't tested it.
They all work. Great phones. Great firmware. Work awesome with Asterisk.

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I am using 7940 phones with * and I can only say that the handsfree speaker
IS full duplex. 
As with PoE, there is quite a bit of documentation around showing how to
change the pairs around on the ethernet wiring to make this work.  I have
tried this with my "G" versions, and have not yet been successful.

Simon Brown

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[mailto:asterisk-users-admin@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Erik Barker
Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2004 9:31
To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Cisco 7940/7960 SIP functionality questions

On Sun, 2004-04-25 at 14:09, Greg Boehnlein wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Scott Laird wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On Apr 21, 2004, at 12:20 PM, David Carter wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I'm considering using Asterisk with some type of Cisco phone,
and
> > > currently considering either the 7940 or 7960 because of its 
> > > more-complete functionality (compared to the 7905).
> > >
> > > I'm currently wondering:
> > >
> > > 	Do all the expected functions (transfer, conference, voice mail,
> > > message
> > > 	waiting indicator, etc.) work normally with Asterisk over SIP?
> > 
> > I've tested transfer, voicemail, and MWI.  Conference should work 
> > have I haven't tested it.
> 
> They all work. Great phones. Great firmware. Work awesome with Asterisk.
Few minor things I found with the 7940:

      * Hands free speaker is not full duplex
      * Could not get PoE working with HP PoE switches (802.3af). May
        only work with Cisco PoE switches/standard ??

Otherwise, of the 5 phones we tested, it had the largest and probably most
legible screen display.

I can't comment on the 7960 as I was not able to test this model.


--
Erik Barker

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: asterisk-users-admin@lists.digium.com 
> [mailto:asterisk-users-admin@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of 
> Brian Cuthie
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 7:46 PM
> To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
> Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Cisco 7940/7960 SIP 
> functionality questions
> 
> 
> 
> Aren't only the 'G' version of the cisco phones PoE powered?
Nope.  I power most of my non-G's with a 3524-PWR and a few with power
injectors.
Daryl

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Simon Brown wrote:
> As with PoE, there is quite a bit of documentation around showing how to
> change the pairs around on the ethernet wiring to make this work.  I have
> tried this with my "G" versions, and have not yet been
successful.
Did you try this?
http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2004-February/038223.html

Yes, that is what I have tried, however I still have no luck.

Simon 

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[mailto:asterisk-users-admin@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Hermann Wecke
Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2004 13:35
To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Cisco 7940/7960 SIP functionality questions

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Simon Brown wrote:
> As with PoE, there is quite a bit of documentation around showing how 
> to change the pairs around on the ethernet wiring to make this work.  
> I have tried this with my "G" versions, and have not yet been
successful.
Did you try this?
http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2004-February/038223.html
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Is the 7970 still problematic?

-----Original Message-----
From: Fran Boon [mailto:flavour@partyvibe.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 3:29 PM
To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Cisco 7940/7960 SIP functionality
questions


On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 20:20, David Carter wrote:
> I'm considering using Asterisk with some type of Cisco phone, and
currently
> considering either the 7940 or 7960 because of its more-complete
functionality
> (compared to the 7905).
> I'm currently wondering:
> 	Do all the expected functions (transfer, conference, voice mail,
message
> 	waiting indicator, etc.) work normally with Asterisk over SIP?
All work great :)
> 	What caveats are known about using these phones with SIP, as opposed
to
> 	Cisco's proprietary SCCP?  If an SCCP module is available for
Asterisk,
> 	how functional is it?
There are 2 SCCP modules chan_sccp & chan_skinny
I've not personally used either yet, but I believe they offer working
basic functionality, but are not as advanced as SIP/IAX or, indeed, SCCP
with CallManager.
> 	How customizable are the phone menus while using SIP (or if a SCCP
> 	module is available, using SCCP)?
Services menu is very customisable:
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+Cisco+79XX+XML+Services

There is even a manager interface for Asterisk available!:
http://asterisk.edihost.co.uk/am-web/
> Cisco doesn't seem to have much documentation online about using these
phones
> in SIP mode, so if anyone is using these phones now, I'd appreciate
hearing
> about your experiences.
A good resource is:
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+phone+cisco+79xx

F

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