http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2003-March/008088.html "why is there such a delay in getting ipv6 rolled out when it solves all these problems ?" ==There are many reasons... 1. Leasing Address Space from the I* society (small s...aka the Big Lie Society) is not desirable by all people... 2. The IPv6 Privacy Problem...that is especially important in the area of computer telephony... 3. There is no shortage of IPv4 Address Space [1] 4. The 160 bits in the IPv4 Header can easily be used to store up to 43 bits of addressing (4+7=11+32=43) 5. The AM/FM InterNAT bit in the IPv4 Header can also be used to differentiate Next Generation higher-quality services... ...Asterisk is a natural extension of the NAT transition/evolution and helps to negate any need for IPv6... Jim Fleming http://IPv8.no-ip.com [1]=========================================================----- Original Message ----- From: "John L Crain" <crain at iana.org> To: <sanog at sanog.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 5:00 PM Subject: IPv4 Addresses update> > Dear Colleagues, > > As you may be aware the Regional Internet Registries have been active > with the "Early Registrations Transfer [ERX] Project". As part of the > preliminary investigations of this project and verification of the > data by the IANA some /8s previously listed as "Various Registries" > have now been designated as unused and as such will be listed in the > IANA registries as "IANA Reserved". > > This update will take effect at > > http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space > > as of 23:59 UTC, 31 March 2003. > > > The affected /8s will be listed as follows: > > 173/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > 174/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > 175/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > 176/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > 177/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > 178/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > 179/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > 180/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > 181/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > 182/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > 183/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > 184/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > 185/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > 186/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > 187/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > 189/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > 190/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > > Comments can be sent to iana at iana.org. > > -- > Best regards, > John L. Crain mailto:crain at iana.org > > >
At 05:45 PM 3/5/2003 -0600, you wrote:>http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2003-March/008088.html >"why is there such a delay in getting ipv6 rolled out when it solves all >these problems ?" >==>There are many reasons... >1. Leasing Address Space from the I* society (small s...aka the Big Lie >Society) is not desirable by all people...where do you think ip4 space comes from ?>2. The IPv6 Privacy Problem...that is especially important in the area of >computer telephony...what privacy ? Do you mean to say you think having a static address is wrong since others will be able to identify you ? Isn't this the same concept of not accepting blocked calls in the telephony world ? If you need to hide, then most people will make the decision not to talk to you.>3. There is no shortage of IPv4 Address Space [1]if there is not a shortage then why doesn't everyone have all the static ips they want ?>4. The 160 bits in the IPv4 Header can easily be used to store up to 43 >bits of addressing (4+7=11+32=43)not sure what you are proving with this calculation>5. The AM/FM InterNAT bit in the IPv4 Header can also be used to >differentiate Next Generation higher-quality services...this has nothing to do with the number of available addresses, only what services run on them. You could use it to route to a different machine if you wanted, but that is not really the point of this thread.>...Asterisk is a natural extension of the NAT transition/evolution and >helps to negate any need for IPv6...I think all the extra layered on crap for NAT and the hacks to make a few static ips last longer in a world that needs a larger address space is just needlessly complicating the application layers of software when clearly the transport and internetworking layers are sadly out of date.>Jim Fleming >http://IPv8.no-ip.com > > >[1]=========================================================>----- Original Message ----- >From: "John L Crain" <crain at iana.org> >To: <sanog at sanog.org> >Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 5:00 PM >Subject: IPv4 Addresses update > > > > > > Dear Colleagues, > > > > As you may be aware the Regional Internet Registries have been active > > with the "Early Registrations Transfer [ERX] Project". As part of the > > preliminary investigations of this project and verification of the > > data by the IANA some /8s previously listed as "Various Registries" > > have now been designated as unused and as such will be listed in the > > IANA registries as "IANA Reserved". > > > > This update will take effect at > > > > http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space > > > > as of 23:59 UTC, 31 March 2003. > > > > > > The affected /8s will be listed as follows: > > > > 173/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > > 174/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > > 175/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > > 176/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > > 177/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > > 178/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > > 179/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > > 180/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > > 181/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > > 182/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > > 183/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > > 184/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > > 185/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > > 186/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > > 187/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > > 189/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > > 190/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved > > > > Comments can be sent to iana at iana.org. > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > John L. Crain mailto:crain at iana.org > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Asterisk-Users mailing list >Asterisk-Users at lists.digium.com >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 05:45:13PM -0600, Jim Fleming wrote:> http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2003-March/008088.html > "why is there such a delay in getting ipv6 rolled out when it solves all these problems ?"I doubt that users will stop using NAT until ISPs stop charging per address for SOHO customers. BellSouth charges $10/month for each additional IP address for their ADSL service, that's in addition to their DSL charges. Cox Cable (Gulf Coast) charges $13.90/month for two additional IP addresses. Neither service permits static IP addresses unless you want to use their business internet service which is generally about 2x the cost of residential. So rather than spending the extra money or upgrading to a bussiness service people will use NAT. Personally I have three IP addresses from Cox Cable, one for my NAT router and two for testing various devices that don't work with NAT. --Eric
At 06:08 PM 3/5/2003 -0600, you wrote:>On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 05:45:13PM -0600, Jim Fleming wrote: > > http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2003-March/008088.html > > "why is there such a delay in getting ipv6 rolled out when it solves > all these problems ?" > >I doubt that users will stop using NAT until ISPs stop charging >per address for SOHO customers.and if ipv6 made the addresses much more freely available your isp could afford to dish out all you could ever want on a $20/month connection. The ip's are not just free to the ISP, there is a cost associated with them each year in addition to the bandwidth you use. Not to mention it makes routing rules more complex the more ips an isp has to deal with in separate groups.>BellSouth charges $10/month for each additional IP address for >their ADSL service, that's in addition to their DSL charges. > >Cox Cable (Gulf Coast) charges $13.90/month for two additional >IP addresses. > >Neither service permits static IP addresses unless you want to >use their business internet service which is generally about 2x >the cost of residential. > >So rather than spending the extra money or upgrading to a >bussiness service people will use NAT. > >Personally I have three IP addresses from Cox Cable, one for my >NAT router and two for testing various devices that don't work >with NAT. > >--Eric >_______________________________________________ >Asterisk-Users mailing list >Asterisk-Users at lists.digium.com >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users