Hello, I have a general data analysis question. I recently visited a lab where they are testing a new treatment and they had done the experiment several times on different dates. They repeated the experiment 3-5 times per day. And then for practical reasons they repeated the whole procedure for 5 days.(they wanted a large sample size but practically they couldn't handle more than 5-10 experiments per day). However there might have been some extra variation between different days because the experimenter changed, although same procedure was being followed. Below are the data: Control data: Cday1=c(5,2,5,3,4); Cday2=c(2,1,3,1); Cday3=c(7,6,4,11,10); Cday4=c(5,13,8,4,10,6); Cday5=c(21,8, 5, 5,11); Treatment data: Tday1=c(17,11,25,21,16); Tday2=c(17,7,12); Tday3=c(16,18,4,20,18,25); Tday4=c(17,20,29,17,19); Tday5=c(14,31,28,34); Then they decided to do a paired t.test on the "mean" per day to measure whether they can detect a difference between the Control and the Treatment, something like: t.test(c(3.8,1.75,7.6,7.66,10),c(18,12,16.83,20.4,26.75),paired=T) But I thought there was something wrong in that procedure, something missing but I couldn't figure out what exactly, my feeling was that they were not capturing the variability in the measurements taken within one day. I thought maybe the solution could be in linear mixed effects models (lme) but could that be used to have some sort of a p-value (or other) to say there is a difference or not between the 2 conditions. Or maybe other procedures? Any ideas? Thanks -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Repeated-Measures-%28lme-%29-tp16012010p16012010.html Sent from the R help mailing list archive at Nabble.com.