On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 07:44:03PM +0200, Jan Krupa wrote:> I am new to R. I am going to by one of the following book: > > 1. > William N. Venables and Brian D. Ripley. Modern Applied Statistics > with S-Plus. > Third Edition. Springer, 1999. ISBN 0-387-98825-4. > > 2. > The Fourth Edition of the book from point 1. > > 3. > `S Programming' > by W. N. Venables and B. D. Ripley > Springer. ISBN 0-387-98966-8, 2000.It depends. Do you want to use R for analysis, or to write your own extensions? Probably the first, I'd guess; extension writing usually comes later. Modern Applied Statistics with S-Plus, 4th edition (MASS4) is a good introduction if you're already a statistician. If not, a a good introductory book is Introductory Statistics with R. Peter Dalgaard. Springer. ISBN 0387954759 MASS4 is certainly more complete than ISwR, but if you're not already a statistician, it's a difficult starting book (challenging, but not impossible). Cheers Jason -- Indigo Industrial Controls Ltd. 64-21-343-545 jasont at indigoindustrial.co.nz -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- r-help mailing list -- Read http://www.ci.tuwien.ac.at/~hornik/R/R-FAQ.html Send "info", "help", or "[un]subscribe" (in the "body", not the subject !) To: r-help-request at stat.math.ethz.ch _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._
I am new to R. I am going to by one of the following book: 1. William N. Venables and Brian D. Ripley. Modern Applied Statistics with S-Plus. Third Edition. Springer, 1999. ISBN 0-387-98825-4. 2. The Fourth Edition of the book from point 1. 3. `S Programming' by W. N. Venables and B. D. Ripley Springer. ISBN 0-387-98966-8, 2000. I can only by one of the above books. Q1. I have found the following info at the site http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/pub/MASS4/ : ''The material on programming has been reduced since the first and second editions'' Is that also true that The material on programming has been reduced since the THIRD edition? Q2. Which of the books 1 or 2 do you suggest to buy? I mean which one is more complete? May be the third (3) book would be enough to learn R? TIA Jan -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- r-help mailing list -- Read http://www.ci.tuwien.ac.at/~hornik/R/R-FAQ.html Send "info", "help", or "[un]subscribe" (in the "body", not the subject !) To: r-help-request at stat.math.ethz.ch _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._
At 07:44 PM 10/12/2002 +0200, Jan Krupa wrote:>I am new to R. I am going to by one of the following book: > >1. [...]Modern Applied Statistics [MASS] with S-Plus. Third Edition.[...] > >2. The Fourth Edition of the book from point 1. > >3. `S Programming'[...] > > Q1. ''The material on programming has been reduced since the first and > second editions'' Is that also true that >The material on programming has been reduced since the THIRD edition?Not as far as I can see.> Q2. Which of the books 1 or 2 do you suggest to buy? I mean which one is > more complete?The 4th edn is more up to date than the 3rd edn., and it has added specific coverage of R.> May be the third (3) book would be enough to learn R?#2 (MASS 4) would probably be better. It covers basic programming and also many of the available S functions, including statistical and graphics routines. For most users, it would be a better introduction than `S Programming', which is more technically oriented. -- Michael Prager, Ph.D. <Mike.Prager at noaa.gov> NOAA Beaufort Laboratory Beaufort, North Carolina 28516 http://shrimp.ccfhrb.noaa.gov/~mprager/ *** -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- r-help mailing list -- Read http://www.ci.tuwien.ac.at/~hornik/R/R-FAQ.html Send "info", "help", or "[un]subscribe" (in the "body", not the subject !) To: r-help-request at stat.math.ethz.ch _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Krupa" <krupa at alpha.sggw.waw.pl> To: "r-help mailing list" <r-help at stat.math.ethz.ch> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 6:44 AM Subject: [R] Learning R: which book to choose?> > I am new to R. I am going to by one of the following book: > > 1. > William N. Venables and Brian D. Ripley. Modern Applied Statistics > with S-Plus. > Third Edition. Springer, 1999. ISBN 0-387-98825-4. > > 2. > The Fourth Edition of the book from point 1. > > 3. > `S Programming' > by W. N. Venables and B. D. Ripley > Springer. ISBN 0-387-98966-8, 2000. > > > I can only by one of the above books. > > Q1. > I have found the following info at the site > http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/pub/MASS4/ : > > ''The material on programming has been reduced since the first and > second editions'' > > Is that also true that > The material on programming has been reduced since the THIRD edition? > > Q2. Which of the books 1 or 2 do you suggest to buy? > I mean which one is more complete? > May be the third (3) book would be enough to learn R?It depends on what you want to do. If you are only using R to do normal analysis, either (1) or (2) above will be sufficient. I would recommend (2), as it is the latest version AND it is written for R 1.5.0 in mind, i.e. takes in the changes made since MASS3. MASS3 was written a bit more towards S-plus, though the materials can be used in R too. As for the pricing, I think both MASS3 and MASS4 have roughly the same price. S Programing is more for developers or more experienced users (I've a copy of it, as well as MASS4). It also talks about the object-oriented features, how to write classes, functions...etc. Hope this helps, Ko-Kang Wang ------------------------------------------------ Ko-Kang Kevin Wang Post Graduate PGDipSci Student Department of Statistics University of Auckland New Zealand www.stat.auckland.ac.nz/~kwan022 -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- r-help mailing list -- Read http://www.ci.tuwien.ac.at/~hornik/R/R-FAQ.html Send "info", "help", or "[un]subscribe" (in the "body", not the subject !) To: r-help-request at stat.math.ethz.ch _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._
On Oct 12, Jan Krupa wrote:> I am new to R. I am going to by one of the following book: > > 1. > William N. Venables and Brian D. Ripley. Modern Applied Statistics > with S-Plus. > Third Edition. Springer, 1999. ISBN 0-387-98825-4. > > 2. > The Fourth Edition of the book from point 1. > > 3. > `S Programming' > by W. N. Venables and B. D. Ripley > Springer. ISBN 0-387-98966-8, 2000. > > > I can only by one of the above books.It really depends on your field and level of expertise. If you are a statistician (i.e. you have a degree in statistics or biostatistics), or from a very strong mathematical backgroud, MASS is probably the appropriate book, although you may want something more introductory. (I haven't seen MASS4 yet.) OTOH, if you're a social scientist, I'd *strongly* recommend John Fox's "Companion to Applied Regression with R and S-Plus." (It also depends somewhat on what you actually want to do with R, as others have suggested...) Chris -- Chris Lawrence <cnlawren at phy.olemiss.edu> - http://www.lordsutch.com/chris/ Computer Systems Manager, Physics and Astronomy, Univ. of Mississippi Ph.D. Candidate, Political Science 125B Lewis Hall - 662-915-5765 -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- r-help mailing list -- Read http://www.ci.tuwien.ac.at/~hornik/R/R-FAQ.html Send "info", "help", or "[un]subscribe" (in the "body", not the subject !) To: r-help-request at stat.math.ethz.ch _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._
I have found "Statistical Computing. An Introduction to Data Analysis using S-Plus" by Crawley vey helpful as an intermediate text. The book is very clear, however, there's very little programming. It's available from Amazon.com. Regards, Martin. Martin Hoyle, School of Life and Environmental Sciences, University of Nottingham, University Park, Nottingham, NG7 2RD, UK Webpage: http://myprofile.cos.com/martinhoyle>>> Jan Krupa <krupa at alpha.sggw.waw.pl> 10/12/02 06:44PM >>>I am new to R. I am going to by one of the following book: 1. William N. Venables and Brian D. Ripley. Modern Applied Statistics with S-Plus. Third Edition. Springer, 1999. ISBN 0-387-98825-4. 2. The Fourth Edition of the book from point 1. 3. `S Programming' by W. N. Venables and B. D. Ripley Springer. ISBN 0-387-98966-8, 2000. I can only by one of the above books. Q1. I have found the following info at the site http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/pub/MASS4/ : ''The material on programming has been reduced since the first and second editions'' Is that also true that The material on programming has been reduced since the THIRD edition? Q2. Which of the books 1 or 2 do you suggest to buy? I mean which one is more complete? May be the third (3) book would be enough to learn R? TIA Jan -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- r-help mailing list -- Read http://www.ci.tuwien.ac.at/~hornik/R/R-FAQ.html Send "info", "help", or "[un]subscribe" (in the "body", not the subject !) To: r-help-request at stat.math.ethz.ch _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._ -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- r-help mailing list -- Read http://www.ci.tuwien.ac.at/~hornik/R/R-FAQ.html Send "info", "help", or "[un]subscribe" (in the "body", not the subject !) To: r-help-request at stat.math.ethz.ch _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._
Thank you very much for all answers. Greetings Jan On Sun, 13 Oct 2002, Ko-Kang Kevin Wang wrote:> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Krupa" <krupa at alpha.sggw.waw.pl> > Subject: [R] Learning R: which book to choose? > > > Q2. Which of the books 1 or 2 do you suggest to buy? > > It depends on what you want to do. If you are only using R to do normal> > Ko-Kang Wang > > > ------------------------------------------------ > Ko-Kang Kevin Wang > Post Graduate PGDipSci Student > Department of Statistics > University of Auckland > New Zealand > www.stat.auckland.ac.nz/~kwan022-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- r-help mailing list -- Read http://www.ci.tuwien.ac.at/~hornik/R/R-FAQ.html Send "info", "help", or "[un]subscribe" (in the "body", not the subject !) To: r-help-request at stat.math.ethz.ch _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._