Xen devel - Dec 2004 - Réf. : Re: "Bounties" on XEN to Windows2000 support

>> We are ready to spend more than 10.000 euros to help Xen to support
Windows
>> 2000
>I asked a Microsoft sales guy about ports of Windows and got this quote
>forwarded from the Microsoft Research guys in Cambridge
>"The XenoXP work is not currently under active development.  Whilst
>there is no *technical* reason that it can''t be done (and it would
Ok great
>actually be much easier with the new Xen hypervisor interface), there
>are many tricky political/legal issues.
I don''t understand than VMWARE (ESX)[1] can do it, and XenoXP can not.

For example (under a guest Virtual Vmware) the networking card is an  AMD
PCNET, video card, etc.

We need to create specials drivers for Xen?
why Xen can''t do that?
Legal issue? developpement under NDA?



regards,
      Antoine N.


[1] http://www.vmware.com/products/server/esx_specs.html
NDA: Non "Disclosur" Agrement





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On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 01:14, Antoine NIVARD wrote:
> >> We are ready to spend more than 10.000 euros to help Xen to
support
>
> Windows
>
> >> 2000
> >
> >I asked a Microsoft sales guy about ports of Windows and got this quote
> >forwarded from the Microsoft Research guys in Cambridge
> >
> >"The XenoXP work is not currently under active development. 
Whilst
> >there is no *technical* reason that it can''t be done (and it
would
>
> Ok great
>
> >actually be much easier with the new Xen hypervisor interface), there
> >are many tricky political/legal issues.
>
> I don''t understand than VMWARE (ESX)[1] can do it, and XenoXP can
not.
It''s the GPL.  Microsoft gets cancer just from thinking about it.  Or
Pacman -
it''s not often you see a Microsoft employee turn up to his General 
Practitioner seeking medical assistance for a severe case of Pacman.  
Chemotherapy doesn''t appear to affect Pacman; neither does radiation 
therapy.   ;)
>
> For example (under a guest Virtual Vmware) the networking card is an  AMD
> PCNET, video card, etc.
>
> We need to create specials drivers for Xen?
> why Xen can''t do that?
> Legal issue? developpement under NDA?
It''s actually a deep-seated psychological issue.  Microsoft lawyers
have a
deep-seated inferiority complex, as do most of the Microsoft programmers, and 
this is triggered into a full-blown attack of paranoia at the thought there 
is other software out there that people may actually prefer to use instead of 
Microsoft''s Own.  It reduces said Microsoft lawyers to tears at the
very
thought that there is freely available source code which they are unable to 
legally sequester.

Unfortunately it is next to impossible to get a Microsoftie (as they are 
colloquially known) to acknowledge this psychological issue, thus it is 
currently not amenable to treatment.  It is also impossible to get them to 
consider such treatment as an upgrade of the neuropsychological firmware, as 
this sets up conflicts, because firmware is logically owned by the firm, and 
may only be upgraded at the firm''s pleasure.

;)
>
>
>
> regards,
>       Antoine N.
>
>
> [1] http://www.vmware.com/products/server/esx_specs.html
> NDA: Non "Disclosur" Agrement
>
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On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:14:44 +0100
"Antoine NIVARD" <anivard@macif.fr> wrote:
> 
> 
> >> We are ready to spend more than 10.000 euros to help Xen to
support
> Windows
> >> 2000
> 
> >I asked a Microsoft sales guy about ports of Windows and got this quote
> >forwarded from the Microsoft Research guys in Cambridge
> 
> >"The XenoXP work is not currently under active development. 
Whilst
> >there is no *technical* reason that it can''t be done (and it
would
> Ok great
> 
> >actually be much easier with the new Xen hypervisor interface), there
> >are many tricky political/legal issues.
> I don''t understand than VMWARE (ESX)[1] can do it, and XenoXP can
not.
VMware products do not need to port the OS kernel to run Windows; this
is different than just providing special I/O drivers. 

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/architecture.html
> 
> For example (under a guest Virtual Vmware) the networking card is an  AMD
> PCNET, video card, etc.
> 
> We need to create specials drivers for Xen?
> why Xen can''t do that?
> Legal issue? developpement under NDA?
> 
> 
> 
> regards,
>       Antoine N.
> 
> 
> [1] http://www.vmware.com/products/server/esx_specs.html
> NDA: Non "Disclosur" Agrement
> 
> 
> 
> 
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