Rails - May 2006 - ROR website''s weblog not viewable on internet explorer

Does anyone know why the weblog at http://weblog.rubyonrails.org/ is 
often messed up, with the first or first and second topics left-shifted 
and melded with the Rails logo, the Live Search box and the page''s
menu?

This happens on all my boxes that run Internet Explorer 6 (IE6).  I 
checked it on Firefox and the page appears correctly.  While it''s easy 
to argue "just use Firefox", a whole bunch of people still use IE6
most
of the time.  Having the Rails weblog (which is linked from the main 
menu on the Rails website) appear messed up for everyone who visits 
looks more than a little unprofessional and tarnishes the image of Rails 
as a web application platform.

Cheers!

Michael W.

-- 
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

On 5/26/06, Michael Watson <michael@pdragon.com>
wrote:
>
> Does anyone know why the weblog at http://weblog.rubyonrails.org/ is
> often messed up, with the first or first and second topics left-shifted
> and melded with the Rails logo, the Live Search box and the page''s
menu?
>
> This happens on all my boxes that run Internet Explorer 6 (IE6).  I
> checked it on Firefox and the page appears correctly.  While it''s
easy
> to argue "just use Firefox", a whole bunch of people still use
IE6 most
> of the time.  Having the Rails weblog (which is linked from the main
> menu on the Rails website) appear messed up for everyone who visits
> looks more than a little unprofessional and tarnishes the image of Rails
> as a web application platform.


And you think this is the fault of the author of the page, rather that the
non-compliant browser you''re using?

Interesting. :)


Cheers!
>
> Michael W.
>
> --
> Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
> _______________________________________________
> Rails mailing list
> Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL:
http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060526/95c3dedd/attachment-0001.html

Aaron Kulbe wrote:
> On 5/26/06, Michael Watson <michael@pdragon.com> wrote:
>> looks more than a little unprofessional and tarnishes the image of
Rails
>> as a web application platform.
> 
> 
> 
> And you think this is the fault of the author of the page, rather that 
> the
> non-compliant browser you''re using?
> 
> Interesting. :)
> 
> 
> Cheers!
Just curious - What things is IE non-compliant in (specifically IE6)? 
What standards? I don''t doubt it, I just don''t really know.
Please
enlighten me.


-- 
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

I think this picture might help you understand:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/planetargon/127984254/

:)

-----Original Message-----
From: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org
[mailto:rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org] On Behalf Of Michael Watson
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 10:48 AM
To: rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
Subject: [Rails] ROR website''s weblog not viewable on internet explorer

Does anyone know why the weblog at http://weblog.rubyonrails.org/ is 
often messed up, with the first or first and second topics left-shifted 
and melded with the Rails logo, the Live Search box and the page''s
menu?

This happens on all my boxes that run Internet Explorer 6 (IE6).  I 
checked it on Firefox and the page appears correctly.  While it''s easy 
to argue "just use Firefox", a whole bunch of people still use IE6
most
of the time.  Having the Rails weblog (which is linked from the main 
menu on the Rails website) appear messed up for everyone who visits 
looks more than a little unprofessional and tarnishes the image of Rails 
as a web application platform.

Cheers!

Michael W.

-- 
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
_______________________________________________
Rails mailing list
Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails

I''m quite sure that wasn''t the point that David was trying to
make.

I would prefer that if you don''t like the question that you simply move
on rather than inject the nasty tone onto the list.

Craig

On Fri, 2006-05-26 at 17:21 -1000, Daniel Higginbotham
wrote:
> I think this picture might help you understand:
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/planetargon/127984254/
> 
> :)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org
> [mailto:rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org] On Behalf Of Michael Watson
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 10:48 AM
> To: rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> Subject: [Rails] ROR website''s weblog not viewable on internet
explorer
> 
> Does anyone know why the weblog at http://weblog.rubyonrails.org/ is 
> often messed up, with the first or first and second topics left-shifted 
> and melded with the Rails logo, the Live Search box and the page''s
menu?
> 
> This happens on all my boxes that run Internet Explorer 6 (IE6).  I 
> checked it on Firefox and the page appears correctly.  While it''s
easy
> to argue "just use Firefox", a whole bunch of people still use
IE6 most
> of the time.  Having the Rails weblog (which is linked from the main 
> menu on the Rails website) appear messed up for everyone who visits 
> looks more than a little unprofessional and tarnishes the image of Rails 
> as a web application platform.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Michael W.
>

I''m also quite sure it wasn''t the point David was trying to
make, and I
meant it only as a joke - sorry! It''s obvious that my intentions
weren''t
clear.

In fact, I wasn''t trying to drop the f-bomb on some fellow I
don''t know. I
think the lack of support for IE6 on that site is probably consistent with
what I believe was going on in that picture.  Again, sorry! I really
didn''t
mean to inject a nasty tone onto the list.

Really, I''d like to have all the sites I work on redirect IE Mac users
to
the photo.  And all clients who insist that IE Mac be supported.

Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org
[mailto:rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org] On Behalf Of Craig White
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 6:03 PM
To: rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
Subject: RE: [Rails] ROR website''s weblog not viewable on internet
explorer

I''m quite sure that wasn''t the point that David was trying to
make.

I would prefer that if you don''t like the question that you simply move
on rather than inject the nasty tone onto the list.

Craig

On Fri, 2006-05-26 at 17:21 -1000, Daniel Higginbotham
wrote:
> I think this picture might help you understand:
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/planetargon/127984254/
> 
> :)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org
> [mailto:rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org] On Behalf Of Michael Watson
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 10:48 AM
> To: rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> Subject: [Rails] ROR website''s weblog not viewable on internet
explorer
> 
> Does anyone know why the weblog at http://weblog.rubyonrails.org/ is 
> often messed up, with the first or first and second topics left-shifted 
> and melded with the Rails logo, the Live Search box and the page''s
menu?
> 
> This happens on all my boxes that run Internet Explorer 6 (IE6).  I 
> checked it on Firefox and the page appears correctly.  While it''s
easy
> to argue "just use Firefox", a whole bunch of people still use
IE6 most
> of the time.  Having the Rails weblog (which is linked from the main 
> menu on the Rails website) appear messed up for everyone who visits 
> looks more than a little unprofessional and tarnishes the image of Rails 
> as a web application platform.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Michael W.
> 
_______________________________________________
Rails mailing list
Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails

>> Does anyone know why the weblog at http://weblog.rubyonrails.org/ is
>> often messed up, with the first or first and second topics left-shifted
>> and melded with the Rails logo, the Live Search box and the
page''s menu?
[...]
> And you think this is the fault of the author of the page, rather that the
> non-compliant browser you''re using?
No matter whose fault it is, it does reflect poorly on the author and 
the organisation. And the weblog does look bad in IE6 at the moment.

That said, I am sure the team would appreciate any concrete corrections 
to the CSS and markup, perhaps even as a patch somehow, since none of 
them are on Windows, let alone using IE6.

-- 
Jakob Skjerning - http://mentalized.net

On 5/26/06, Michael Watson <michael@pdragon.com>
wrote:
> Does anyone know why the weblog at http://weblog.rubyonrails.org/ is
> often messed up, with the first or first and second topics left-shifted
> and melded with the Rails logo, the Live Search box and the page''s
menu?
>
> This happens on all my boxes that run Internet Explorer 6 (IE6).  I
> checked it on Firefox and the page appears correctly.  While it''s
easy
> to argue "just use Firefox", a whole bunch of people still use
IE6 most
> of the time.  Having the Rails weblog (which is linked from the main
> menu on the Rails website) appear messed up for everyone who visits
> looks more than a little unprofessional and tarnishes the image of Rails
> as a web application platform.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Michael W.
>
> --
> Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
> _______________________________________________
> Rails mailing list
> Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
>
The blog engine used for the Riding Rails is called Typo. I''ve seen
some problems with Typo blogs on MSIE in the past, though I''m not sure
if it''s any default stylesheet packaged with the blog, a custom
stylesheet supplied by the blogger, or a combination of both.

I certainly agree that this issue should be addressed. It might be
helpful to provide image screenshots of the faulty rendering on
vanilla MSIE 6.

-- 
-Alder

Jakob Skjerning schrieb:
>>> Does anyone know why the weblog at http://weblog.rubyonrails.org/
is
>>> often messed up, with the first or first and second topics
left-shifted
>>> and melded with the Rails logo, the Live Search box and the
page''s menu?
> [...]
> 
>> And you think this is the fault of the author of the page, rather that 
>> the
>> non-compliant browser you''re using?
> 
> No matter whose fault it is, it does reflect poorly on the author and 
> the organisation. And the weblog does look bad in IE6 at the moment.
> 
> That said, I am sure the team would appreciate any concrete corrections 
> to the CSS and markup, perhaps even as a patch somehow, since none of 
> them are on Windows, let alone using IE6.
The problem is the long URL in one of the posts ("Dan Webb''s
Request
Routing Plugin") which exceeds the right border of the content div. This 
causes IE to stretch the div. As simple as that.

Can be fixed by adding

   overflow: hidden;

to the #content rule in rails.rss, line 144.

This will trunk the URL of course, so probably it should be reverted for 
any other browser than IE by something like

html > body #content { overflow: visible; }

--
Sven

<...>
> That said, I am sure the team would appreciate any concrete corrections
> to the CSS and markup, perhaps even as a patch somehow, since none of
> them are on Windows, let alone using IE6.
Site breaks because of a bit of markup in entry "Dan Webb''s
Request
Routing Plugin".
The bit to blame is:
<pre><code>ruby script/plugin install \
  
http://svn.vivabit.net/external/rubylibs/request_routing/</code></pre>

It gets too wide and pushes everything to the left in IE (in FF it
just sticks out to the right).

Possible fixes:

a) decrease the size for the <code> font, it is now 120%. (100% is ok,
unless you increase
font size in your browser).

b) drop this into CSS:
pre {
	width: 100%;
	overflow: auto; /* or ''scroll'' instead of auto */
}

Version b) produces ugly scrolling box if conent does not fit, but at
least is does not break layout.

Regards,
Rimantas
--
http://rimantas.com/

Thanks for the responses, guys.  I was going to try to fix it myself 
today and post the fix for possible inclusion, but several of you beat 
me to it.

Occasionally layout is perfectly preserved on the site, but breakage has 
been pretty common over the last several months.  I''ve taken to
browsing
the site with Firefox, but I am working to introduce Rails to a bunch of 
folks I work with, and they mostly use IE6 (hence my original post).

Who can make the fixes to the CSS for the site?

Cheers, all, and thanks again.

Michael W.

-- 
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.