Shorewall announce - May 2005 - I quit.

Tom Eastep wrote:
> It is with regret that I announce that Shorewall development and support is
> officially ended.
> 
> Sean''s post has finally driven it home to me that in the long
term, trying
> to support a project like Shorewall is impossible for a person of my
> personality and age.
> ...
> Unlike the originators of other successful open source projects, I have not
> been able to attract a core of people who believe in Shorewall and who are
> willing to make sacrifices to ensure it''s success. That is my
weakness and I
> accept it. But is means that I have been left with trying to develop,
> document, and support Shorewall almost single-handedly. I cannot do it any
more.
> ...
> I will leave the Shorewall website and server in place until July 4 in case
> there is any community interest in picking up the pieces. Please email me
> privately if you are interested in carrying on; I''ll do what I can
to help.
> 
> Tonight I am deleting myself from all of the Shorewall and Leaf mailing
lists.
> 
> I will clean up what I have for a 2.3 release and place it on the server as
> the last Shorewall release -- Shorewall 2.4.0.
Tom has finally admitted what some of us have thought all along.  The
day had to come.  If you get to the point where you''re not happy with
your life, something has to give.  And since none of us owe you
anything, i think you''ve made the right choice, Tom.  Best of luck and
God bless.

Righto, lads!  Now what are we going to do about this?  I for one am
reluctant to lose shorewall, as it is the only firewall i trust.

As for the mechanics of shorewall.net going away: we have a functional
sourceforge.net project page and web site for shorewall.  If Tom is
willing, perhaps he could add some of us on the devel list as project
admins on his sf.net page, and we could make sure all of the right
information is copied over from his site.  Am i right in remembering
that lists.shorewall.net is hosted elsewhere, Tom?

On the more long-term side, we probably need to have a discussion about
the direction of shorewall.  I have a some of suggestions to start with,
which we probably should start a new thread before talking about:

- A slightly slower, more conservative release strategy.  Tom has been
compulsively adding features for the last several years as soon as he
gets one request for something that sounds interesting.

- We need to look at the big issues and make sure we''ve got a good
handle on them.  For me, these include (in rough order of priority from
my perspective):
* Multiple ISPs & load balancing
* Features to enable building a personal firewall with shorewall
* IPv6

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It is with regret that I announce that Shorewall development and support is
officially ended.

Sean''s post has finally driven it home to me that in the long term,
trying
to support a project like Shorewall is impossible for a person of my
personality and age.

Sean -- please believe that this isn''t about you or your post -- your
post
was just the proverbial straw on this old camel''s back.

Unlike the originators of other successful open source projects, I have not
been able to attract a core of people who believe in Shorewall and who are
willing to make sacrifices to ensure it''s success. That is my weakness
and I
accept it. But is means that I have been left with trying to develop,
document, and support Shorewall almost single-handedly. I cannot do it any more.

I have apparently been able to create the illusion of more success than has
been achieved. Sean believes that he should be able to ignore the notices on
the Shorewall 1.3 web site announcing that support for that release has
ceased and thinks that the errata page should still have updated Shorewall
components for a release that my 60 year old mind can''t remember most
of the
details about. And he is right to expect that. But I can''t deliver it.

And I just cannot deal with the support and documentation frustration any
more -- support, the documentation and the web site consume an order of
magnitude more of my time than does Shorewall development. Apparently, I am
completely inept at web site design because people just can''t find the
information that they need; and I have no more energy to try to fix it.

Since I began developing Shorewall:

a) I have gained over 60 pounds in weight.
b) My lawn and landscaping have become an embarrassment in the neighborhood.
c) I have begun exhibiting addictive behavior toward Linux and Shorewall.
d) I have developed sleep disorders (I use a breathing aid at night)
e) I dislike my life.

It''s time to get myself cleaned up and re-enter the life of the living.

I will leave the Shorewall website and server in place until July 4 in case
there is any community interest in picking up the pieces. Please email me
privately if you are interested in carrying on; I''ll do what I can to
help.

Tonight I am deleting myself from all of the Shorewall and Leaf mailing lists.

I will clean up what I have for a 2.3 release and place it on the server as
the last Shorewall release -- Shorewall 2.4.0.

I would like to express my appreciation for all who have used Shorewall and
who have enriched my life through Shorewall. I especially appreciate:

- Steve Cowles who helped me so much in the early days
- Francesca Smith who picked up the sample configurations when I had had it
with them
- Mike Noyes who was always willing to help improve the documentation.

I regret letting down those of you who depend on Shorewall. But look at it
this way -- you have the source for all of the code that you run and
it''s
all written in a very simple programming language. And there was always the
possiblilty that I would walk in front of a bus.

... and you have to admit that the price was right :-)

Shorewall will always be a part of my life that I look back on with fondness.

As always,

-Tom
-- 
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Shoreline,     \ http://shorewall.net
Washington USA  \ teastep@shorewall.net
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Dear Tom,

I can''t say more than Thank you for your contribution
which had protected our network.

May god bless you and your family, take care.

Again Thank you

--- Tom Eastep <teastep@shorewall.net> wrote:
> It is with regret that I announce that Shorewall
> development and support is
> officially ended.
> 
> Sean''s post has finally driven it home to me that in
> the long term, trying
> to support a project like Shorewall is impossible
> for a person of my
> personality and age.
> 
> Sean -- please believe that this isn''t about you or
> your post -- your post
> was just the proverbial straw on this old camel''s
> back.
> 
> Unlike the originators of other successful open
> source projects, I have not
> been able to attract a core of people who believe in
> Shorewall and who are
> willing to make sacrifices to ensure it''s success.
> That is my weakness and I
> accept it. But is means that I have been left with
> trying to develop,
> document, and support Shorewall almost
> single-handedly. I cannot do it any more.
> 
> I have apparently been able to create the illusion
> of more success than has
> been achieved. Sean believes that he should be able
> to ignore the notices on
> the Shorewall 1.3 web site announcing that support
> for that release has
> ceased and thinks that the errata page should still
> have updated Shorewall
> components for a release that my 60 year old mind
> can''t remember most of the
> details about. And he is right to expect that. But I
> can''t deliver it.
> 
> And I just cannot deal with the support and
> documentation frustration any
> more -- support, the documentation and the web site
> consume an order of
> magnitude more of my time than does Shorewall
> development. Apparently, I am
> completely inept at web site design because people
> just can''t find the
> information that they need; and I have no more
> energy to try to fix it.
> 
> Since I began developing Shorewall:
> 
> a) I have gained over 60 pounds in weight.
> b) My lawn and landscaping have become an
> embarrassment in the neighborhood.
> c) I have begun exhibiting addictive behavior toward
> Linux and Shorewall.
> d) I have developed sleep disorders (I use a
> breathing aid at night)
> e) I dislike my life.
> 
> It''s time to get myself cleaned up and re-enter the
> life of the living.
> 
> I will leave the Shorewall website and server in
> place until July 4 in case
> there is any community interest in picking up the
> pieces. Please email me
> privately if you are interested in carrying on; I''ll
> do what I can to help.
> 
> Tonight I am deleting myself from all of the
> Shorewall and Leaf mailing lists.
> 
> I will clean up what I have for a 2.3 release and
> place it on the server as
> the last Shorewall release -- Shorewall 2.4.0.
> 
> I would like to express my appreciation for all who
> have used Shorewall and
> who have enriched my life through Shorewall. I
> especially appreciate:
> 
> - Steve Cowles who helped me so much in the early
> days
> - Francesca Smith who picked up the sample
> configurations when I had had it
> with them
> - Mike Noyes who was always willing to help improve
> the documentation.
> 
> I regret letting down those of you who depend on
> Shorewall. But look at it
> this way -- you have the source for all of the code
> that you run and it''s
> all written in a very simple programming language.
> And there was always the
> possiblilty that I would walk in front of a bus.
> 
> ... and you have to admit that the price was right
> :-)
> 
> Shorewall will always be a part of my life that I
> look back on with fondness.
> 
> As always,
> 
> -Tom
> -- 
> Tom Eastep    \ Nothing is foolproof to a
> sufficiently talented fool
> Shoreline,     \ http://shorewall.net
> Washington USA  \ teastep@shorewall.net
> PGP Public Key   \
> https://lists.shorewall.net/teastep.pgp.key
> > From: Sean Covel <seanecovel@comcast.net>
> To: Tom Eastep <teastep@shorewall.net>
> CC: LEAF User <leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Subject: Re: [leaf-user] New RFC1918 file needed?
> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 22:02:18 -0400
> 
> Tom,
> 
> Tom Eastep wrote:
> > Sean Covel wrote:
> > 
> >>I looked under errata for 1.3.14 and the rfc1918
> file that was there was
> >>old.  I guess that one is more up-to-date.
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > Sean -- There is one up-to-date rfc1918 file for
> Shorewall versions up to
> > 2.0.1 linked from the top of the errata page. Do
> you actually think I have
> > enough spare time to prepare separate updated
> rfc1918 files (which have the
> > same contents) for each of the dozens of Shorewall
> releases that included
> > Bogon address ranges in that file? Especially
> Shorewall releases that have
> > not been supported for over two years (Hint:
> 1.3.14 falls into that
> > category)??????
> > 
> 
> Since I''m not a Shorewall developer, I assumed I
> should look under the
> errata for the version of Shorewall I was using. 
> How am I to know that
> every version of Shorewall from xxx to yyy had
> exactly the same format
> for the rfc1918 file?
> 
> > Do you actually believe that the list of "bad" IP
> addresses is dependent on
> > which verison of Shorewall your are running?
> Please THINK when you sit down
> > to your computer.
> 
> Ouch!  Having a bad day?
> 
> Obviously "bad" IP addresses are not Shorewall
> version dependant, but
> are rfc1918 files?  How should I know?  Besides, I 
> went to the
> Shorewall site, clicked on the version I am running,
> then clicked on the
> errata for that version.  Is this what I did wrong? 
> Perhaps if that
> rfc1918 was a link to the one you maintained we
> wouldn''t be having this
> discussion...
> 
> 
> > 
> > And for your other question, I aggregate adjacent
> ranges whereas the IANA
> > lists them separately.
> >
> 
> Thanks, good info.
> 
> Sean
> 
> 
> > -Tom
> 
> 
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I am prepared to host the website/domain, is there a group of people that
are willing to be active in the ongoing support/development of shorewall?

Regards,
T 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shorewall-users-bounces@lists.shorewall.net 
> [mailto:shorewall-users-bounces@lists.shorewall.net] On 
> Behalf Of Tom Eastep
> Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2005 1:17 PM
> To: Shorewall Users; Shorewall Announcements; LEAF; 
> leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; Tarry Eastep
> Subject: [Shorewall-users] I quit.
> 
> It is with regret that I announce that Shorewall development 
> and support is officially ended.
> 
> Sean''s post has finally driven it home to me that in the long 
> term, trying to support a project like Shorewall is 
> impossible for a person of my personality and age.
> 
> Sean -- please believe that this isn''t about you or your post 
> -- your post was just the proverbial straw on this old camel''s
back.
> 
> Unlike the originators of other successful open source 
> projects, I have not been able to attract a core of people 
> who believe in Shorewall and who are willing to make 
> sacrifices to ensure it''s success. That is my weakness and I 
> accept it. But is means that I have been left with trying to 
> develop, document, and support Shorewall almost 
> single-handedly. I cannot do it any more.
> 
> I have apparently been able to create the illusion of more 
> success than has been achieved. Sean believes that he should 
> be able to ignore the notices on the Shorewall 1.3 web site 
> announcing that support for that release has ceased and 
> thinks that the errata page should still have updated 
> Shorewall components for a release that my 60 year old mind 
> can''t remember most of the details about. And he is right to 
> expect that. But I can''t deliver it.
> 
> And I just cannot deal with the support and documentation 
> frustration any more -- support, the documentation and the 
> web site consume an order of magnitude more of my time than 
> does Shorewall development. Apparently, I am completely inept 
> at web site design because people just can''t find the 
> information that they need; and I have no more energy to try 
> to fix it.
> 
> Since I began developing Shorewall:
> 
> a) I have gained over 60 pounds in weight.
> b) My lawn and landscaping have become an embarrassment in 
> the neighborhood.
> c) I have begun exhibiting addictive behavior toward Linux 
> and Shorewall.
> d) I have developed sleep disorders (I use a breathing aid at night)
> e) I dislike my life.
> 
> It''s time to get myself cleaned up and re-enter the life of 
> the living.
> 
> I will leave the Shorewall website and server in place until 
> July 4 in case there is any community interest in picking up 
> the pieces. Please email me privately if you are interested 
> in carrying on; I''ll do what I can to help.
> 
> Tonight I am deleting myself from all of the Shorewall and 
> Leaf mailing lists.
> 
> I will clean up what I have for a 2.3 release and place it on 
> the server as the last Shorewall release -- Shorewall 2.4.0.
> 
> I would like to express my appreciation for all who have used 
> Shorewall and who have enriched my life through Shorewall. I 
> especially appreciate:
> 
> - Steve Cowles who helped me so much in the early days
> - Francesca Smith who picked up the sample configurations 
> when I had had it with them
> - Mike Noyes who was always willing to help improve the documentation.
> 
> I regret letting down those of you who depend on Shorewall. 
> But look at it this way -- you have the source for all of the 
> code that you run and it''s all written in a very simple 
> programming language. And there was always the possiblilty 
> that I would walk in front of a bus.
> 
> ... and you have to admit that the price was right :-)
> 
> Shorewall will always be a part of my life that I look back 
> on with fondness.
> 
> As always,
> 
> -Tom
> -- 
> Tom Eastep    \ Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool
> Shoreline,     \ http://shorewall.net
> Washington USA  \ teastep@shorewall.net
> PGP Public Key   \ https://lists.shorewall.net/teastep.pgp.key
> 


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2005/5/18, mynullvoid <mynullvoid@yahoo.com>:
> Dear Tom,
> 
> I can''t say more than Thank you for your contribution
> which had protected our network.
> 
> May god bless you and your family, take care.
> 
> Again Thank you
> 
I sent my thanks personally,now on public...

I wish you the best luck in you future proyects and in your personal life.

right now,we have to think about the Shorewall future development,a
community based one,if this is not possible Shorewall will be "dead".

I ''ll like to hear ideas about this issue,soon. ...:S

Tom:

I''d like to thank you for all of your effort that went into shorewall,
the best firewall package out there.
Health before code. Peace be you and yours.

Jerry


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Eastep" <teastep@shorewall.net>
To: "Shorewall Users" <shorewall-users@lists.shorewall.net>;
"Shorewall
Announcements" <shorewall-announce@lists.shorewall.net>;
"LEAF"
<leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net>;
<leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>; "Tarry
Eastep" <tarry@shorewall.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 22:17
Subject: [Shorewall-users] I quit.

> It is with regret that I announce that Shorewall development and support is
> officially ended.
>
> Sean''s post has finally driven it home to me that in the long
term, trying
> to support a project like Shorewall is impossible for a person of my
> personality and age.
>
> Sean -- please believe that this isn''t about you or your post --
your post
> was just the proverbial straw on this old camel''s back.
>
> Unlike the originators of other successful open source projects, I have not
> been able to attract a core of people who believe in Shorewall and who are
> willing to make sacrifices to ensure it''s success. That is my
weakness and I
> accept it. But is means that I have been left with trying to develop,
> document, and support Shorewall almost single-handedly. I cannot do it any
more.
>
> I have apparently been able to create the illusion of more success than has
> been achieved. Sean believes that he should be able to ignore the notices
on
> the Shorewall 1.3 web site announcing that support for that release has
> ceased and thinks that the errata page should still have updated Shorewall
> components for a release that my 60 year old mind can''t remember
most of the
> details about. And he is right to expect that. But I can''t deliver
it.
>
> And I just cannot deal with the support and documentation frustration any
> more -- support, the documentation and the web site consume an order of
> magnitude more of my time than does Shorewall development. Apparently, I am
> completely inept at web site design because people just can''t find
the
> information that they need; and I have no more energy to try to fix it.
>
> Since I began developing Shorewall:
>
> a) I have gained over 60 pounds in weight.
> b) My lawn and landscaping have become an embarrassment in the
neighborhood.
> c) I have begun exhibiting addictive behavior toward Linux and Shorewall.
> d) I have developed sleep disorders (I use a breathing aid at night)
> e) I dislike my life.
>
> It''s time to get myself cleaned up and re-enter the life of the
living.
>
> I will leave the Shorewall website and server in place until July 4 in case
> there is any community interest in picking up the pieces. Please email me
> privately if you are interested in carrying on; I''ll do what I can
to help.
>
> Tonight I am deleting myself from all of the Shorewall and Leaf mailing
lists.
>
> I will clean up what I have for a 2.3 release and place it on the server as
> the last Shorewall release -- Shorewall 2.4.0.
>
> I would like to express my appreciation for all who have used Shorewall and
> who have enriched my life through Shorewall. I especially appreciate:
>
> - Steve Cowles who helped me so much in the early days
> - Francesca Smith who picked up the sample configurations when I had had it
> with them
> - Mike Noyes who was always willing to help improve the documentation.
>
> I regret letting down those of you who depend on Shorewall. But look at it
> this way -- you have the source for all of the code that you run and
it''s
> all written in a very simple programming language. And there was always the
> possiblilty that I would walk in front of a bus.
>
> ... and you have to admit that the price was right :-)
>
> Shorewall will always be a part of my life that I look back on with
fondness.
>
> As always,
>
> -Tom
> --
> Tom Eastep    \ Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool
> Shoreline,     \ http://shorewall.net
> Washington USA  \ teastep@shorewall.net
> PGP Public Key   \ https://lists.shorewall.net/teastep.pgp.key
>

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Tom,

	Your support had been so valuable as the shorewall itself. 
It has been a pleasure reading your replies on this channel.
Shorewall has brought so much credibility to many net admins 
(and the would be net admins:-))from the Top Management of their organizations. 
And with shorewall many have made a career in Linux Administration and
Networking
even if they do not know the ABC of iptables and networking. 

As an user of the shorewall, My Hats Off to You.

If it is possible , we would like to hear from you often in whatever form.

Thank You and Hope you enjoy the break.

Best Regards

Siva

-----Original Message-----
From: shorewall-users-bounces@lists.shorewall.net
[mailto:shorewall-users-bounces@lists.shorewall.net]On Behalf Of Tom
Eastep
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:47 AM
To: Shorewall Users; Shorewall Announcements; LEAF;
leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; Tarry Eastep
Subject: [Shorewall-users] I quit.


It is with regret that I announce that Shorewall development and support is
officially ended.

Sean''s post has finally driven it home to me that in the long term,
trying
to support a project like Shorewall is impossible for a person of my
personality and age.

Sean -- please believe that this isn''t about you or your post -- your
post
was just the proverbial straw on this old camel''s back.

Unlike the originators of other successful open source projects, I have not
been able to attract a core of people who believe in Shorewall and who are
willing to make sacrifices to ensure it''s success. That is my weakness
and I
accept it. But is means that I have been left with trying to develop,
document, and support Shorewall almost single-handedly. I cannot do it any more.

I have apparently been able to create the illusion of more success than has
been achieved. Sean believes that he should be able to ignore the notices on
the Shorewall 1.3 web site announcing that support for that release has
ceased and thinks that the errata page should still have updated Shorewall
components for a release that my 60 year old mind can''t remember most
of the
details about. And he is right to expect that. But I can''t deliver it.

And I just cannot deal with the support and documentation frustration any
more -- support, the documentation and the web site consume an order of
magnitude more of my time than does Shorewall development. Apparently, I am
completely inept at web site design because people just can''t find the
information that they need; and I have no more energy to try to fix it.

Since I began developing Shorewall:

a) I have gained over 60 pounds in weight.
b) My lawn and landscaping have become an embarrassment in the neighborhood.
c) I have begun exhibiting addictive behavior toward Linux and Shorewall.
d) I have developed sleep disorders (I use a breathing aid at night)
e) I dislike my life.

It''s time to get myself cleaned up and re-enter the life of the living.

I will leave the Shorewall website and server in place until July 4 in case
there is any community interest in picking up the pieces. Please email me
privately if you are interested in carrying on; I''ll do what I can to
help.

Tonight I am deleting myself from all of the Shorewall and Leaf mailing lists.

I will clean up what I have for a 2.3 release and place it on the server as
the last Shorewall release -- Shorewall 2.4.0.

I would like to express my appreciation for all who have used Shorewall and
who have enriched my life through Shorewall. I especially appreciate:

- Steve Cowles who helped me so much in the early days
- Francesca Smith who picked up the sample configurations when I had had it
with them
- Mike Noyes who was always willing to help improve the documentation.

I regret letting down those of you who depend on Shorewall. But look at it
this way -- you have the source for all of the code that you run and
it''s
all written in a very simple programming language. And there was always the
possiblilty that I would walk in front of a bus.

... and you have to admit that the price was right :-)

Shorewall will always be a part of my life that I look back on with fondness.

As always,

-Tom
-- 
Tom Eastep    \ Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool
Shoreline,     \ http://shorewall.net
Washington USA  \ teastep@shorewall.net
PGP Public Key   \ https://lists.shorewall.net/teastep.pgp.key

Manny Thanks Tom.

Tom Eastep wrote:
> It is with regret that I announce that Shorewall development and support is
> officially ended.
Thanks for everything, Tom, your contributions are highly appreciated. I 
am unable to devote very much time, but I will try to do what I can to 
help out with the transition to new leadership.

-- 
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Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip since 1996!

Hello,
>It''s time to get myself cleaned up and re-enter the life of the
living.
>
>  
>
Tom, you must do what is healthy for you. Thanks for everything. 
Shorewall has been running on many of linux boxes since version 1.2, 
(that is over four years of dedicated shorewall development if I am 
estimating right) and as everyone on this list and more well knows your 
time and efforts and software have been unmatched anywhere I have seen 
throughout the opensource community.

FWIW my brother, a passionate developer, has a few times over the years 
had to remove all internet connections from his house to separate his 
life from his passion for work. That is of course only reasonable if you 
do not work at home of course, which may be your case if I recall. Thus, 
the separation from shorewall and the maintenance of your internet is a 
fine solution to the issues you describe. Health above all is of primary 
importance.
>I will leave the Shorewall website and server in place until July 4 in case
>there is any community interest in picking up the pieces. Please email me
>privately if you are interested in carrying on; I''ll do what I can
to help.
>  
>
I am happy to maintain the primary mirror http://www.shorewall.net as 
long, of course, as you leave the DNS records in place.

If anyone with time/energy/knowledge gets it together, I am happy to 
continue providing what hosting services I can to keep this thing going.

Thank you Tom,

Alex Martin
http://www.rettc.com

Dear Tom,


words can not describe, how much I want to thank you for all your work 
and help you put into shorewall.

If the website cannot stay online, I would like to help to mirror it.



best regards,
claas

Tom Eastep wrote:
> It is with regret that I announce that Shorewall development and support is
> officially ended.
> 
Tom, thanks for all the support over the years. I wish you all the best!

Peter Lindeman

Claas Langbehn wrote:
> If the website cannot stay online, I would like to help to mirror it.
I too can offer a mirror, this one based in the UK.

Tom, you''ve done a fabulous job with Shorewall - you are one of the 
stars of the Open Source community: thank you.

-- 
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Thank you Tom & company. Take care. Your work has been
greatly appreciated.
As far as the Shorewall site and data are concerned,
maybe they could be hosted on Sourceforge, like Leaf is?

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Tom,
with great regret from my side I hear of your decision, but we have to 
accept it.
Your support has been incredible, I was lucky to find and use Shorewall 
for more
than two years now, there is nothing comparable, especially when it comes to
your support and KnowHow and your helping people out.
Thank you, Tom, again, for your work !

All the best to you from Germany,
Philipp Rusch

People,
Now, what can we do to keep this project going ?
We ought to put something together ...
I could set up a mirror as well.

Dear Tom,


THANK YOU for that great piece of software that always "just worked"
(tm)
for me... sorry to hear it messed up your life completely...
> It''s time to get myself cleaned up and re-enter the life of the
living.
Understood. All the best wishes for you, your life and your lawn,
I hope you get everything fixed soon!

You rock!



Maximum regards
Ingmar

Thanks Tom

Sad to hear but I wish you all the best.

And shorewall will last !!

Peter

Tom Eastep wrote:
>It is with regret that I announce that Shorewall development and support is
>officially ended.
>
>Sean''s post has finally driven it home to me that in the long term,
trying
>to support a project like Shorewall is impossible for a person of my
>personality and age.
>
>Sean -- please believe that this isn''t about you or your post --
your post
>was just the proverbial straw on this old camel''s back.
>
>Unlike the originators of other successful open source projects, I have not
>been able to attract a core of people who believe in Shorewall and who are
>willing to make sacrifices to ensure it''s success. That is my
weakness and I
>accept it. But is means that I have been left with trying to develop,
>document, and support Shorewall almost single-handedly. I cannot do it any
more.
>
>I have apparently been able to create the illusion of more success than has
>been achieved. Sean believes that he should be able to ignore the notices on
>the Shorewall 1.3 web site announcing that support for that release has
>ceased and thinks that the errata page should still have updated Shorewall
>components for a release that my 60 year old mind can''t remember
most of the
>details about. And he is right to expect that. But I can''t deliver
it.
>
>And I just cannot deal with the support and documentation frustration any
>more -- support, the documentation and the web site consume an order of
>magnitude more of my time than does Shorewall development. Apparently, I am
>completely inept at web site design because people just can''t find
the
>information that they need; and I have no more energy to try to fix it.
>
>Since I began developing Shorewall:
>
>a) I have gained over 60 pounds in weight.
>b) My lawn and landscaping have become an embarrassment in the neighborhood.
>c) I have begun exhibiting addictive behavior toward Linux and Shorewall.
>d) I have developed sleep disorders (I use a breathing aid at night)
>e) I dislike my life.
>
>It''s time to get myself cleaned up and re-enter the life of the
living.
>
>I will leave the Shorewall website and server in place until July 4 in case
>there is any community interest in picking up the pieces. Please email me
>privately if you are interested in carrying on; I''ll do what I can
to help.
>
>Tonight I am deleting myself from all of the Shorewall and Leaf mailing
lists.
>
>I will clean up what I have for a 2.3 release and place it on the server as
>the last Shorewall release -- Shorewall 2.4.0.
>
>I would like to express my appreciation for all who have used Shorewall and
>who have enriched my life through Shorewall. I especially appreciate:
>
>- Steve Cowles who helped me so much in the early days
>- Francesca Smith who picked up the sample configurations when I had had it
>with them
>- Mike Noyes who was always willing to help improve the documentation.
>
>I regret letting down those of you who depend on Shorewall. But look at it
>this way -- you have the source for all of the code that you run and
it''s
>all written in a very simple programming language. And there was always the
>possiblilty that I would walk in front of a bus.
>
>... and you have to admit that the price was right :-)
>
>Shorewall will always be a part of my life that I look back on with
fondness.
>
>As always,
>
>-Tom
>  
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject:
> Re: [leaf-user] New RFC1918 file needed?
> From:
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> Date:
> Tue, 17 May 2005 22:02:18 -0400
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>Tom,
>
>Tom Eastep wrote:
>  
>
>>Sean Covel wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I looked under errata for 1.3.14 and the rfc1918 file that was there
was
>>>old.  I guess that one is more up-to-date.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>Sean -- There is one up-to-date rfc1918 file for Shorewall versions up
to
>>2.0.1 linked from the top of the errata page. Do you actually think I
have
>>enough spare time to prepare separate updated rfc1918 files (which have
the
>>same contents) for each of the dozens of Shorewall releases that
included
>>Bogon address ranges in that file? Especially Shorewall releases that
have
>>not been supported for over two years (Hint: 1.3.14 falls into that
>>category)??????
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Since I''m not a Shorewall developer, I assumed I should look under
the
>errata for the version of Shorewall I was using.  How am I to know that
>every version of Shorewall from xxx to yyy had exactly the same format
>for the rfc1918 file?
>
>  
>
>>Do you actually believe that the list of "bad" IP addresses is
dependent on
>>which verison of Shorewall your are running? Please THINK when you sit
down
>>to your computer.
>>    
>>
>
>Ouch!  Having a bad day?
>
>Obviously "bad" IP addresses are not Shorewall version dependant,
but
>are rfc1918 files?  How should I know?  Besides, I  went to the
>Shorewall site, clicked on the version I am running, then clicked on the
>errata for that version.  Is this what I did wrong?  Perhaps if that
>rfc1918 was a link to the one you maintained we wouldn''t be having
this
>discussion...
>
>
>  
>
>>And for your other question, I aggregate adjacent ranges whereas the
IANA
>>lists them separately.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Thanks, good info.
>
>Sean
>
>
>  
>
>>-Tom
>>    
>>
>
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Paul Gear wrote:
> 
> Tom has finally admitted what some of us have thought all along.  The
> day had to come.  If you get to the point where you''re not happy
with
> your life, something has to give.  And since none of us owe you
> anything, i think you''ve made the right choice, Tom.  Best of luck
and
> God bless.
Thank you Paul.
> 
> Righto, lads!  Now what are we going to do about this?  I for one am
> reluctant to lose shorewall, as it is the only firewall i trust.
> 
> As for the mechanics of shorewall.net going away: we have a functional
> sourceforge.net project page and web site for shorewall.  If Tom is
> willing, perhaps he could add some of us on the devel list as project
> admins on his sf.net page, and we could make sure all of the right
> information is copied over from his site.
I will be happy to add additional admins at SF.
> Am i right in remembering
> that lists.shorewall.net is hosted elsewhere, Tom?
No, lists.shorewall.net is hosted here in my home. It''s the same box as
http://shorewall.net which is the system that all of the mirrors
(including www.shorewall.net) rsync from. I don''t mind continuing to
host the mailing lists here for a while until mailing lists can be
reestablished at SF (they were there once upon a time).
> 
> - We need to look at the big issues and make sure we''ve got a good
> handle on them.  For me, these include (in rough order of priority from
> my perspective):
> * Multiple ISPs & load balancing
> * Features to enable building a personal firewall with shorewall
> * IPv6
> 
I think that is a good list. I hope to have the first (multiple
ISPs/Load-balancing) completed in release 2.4.0 (it should work in the
current CVS code but I have to lash together a test bed to try it).
I''ll
still run a beta/RC-series for that release so it should be fairly solid
by the time that I throw it over the wall for good.

Netfilter is weak on features for a personal firewall. I have added
support for the ''owner'' match (including
''owner-cmd'') but that isn''t a
strong enough base to build what most people think of as a personal
firewall.

IPV6 is a big job -- that will keep folks busy coding for a while :-)

-Tom
-- 
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Shoreline,     \ http://shorewall.net
Washington USA  \ teastep@shorewall.net
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I am sorry to hear this, but i am happy for you in the same time.
I think you have been working to much on shorewall and shorewall support.
It would be fun to hear from you in the future and see how your lawn is 
doing ;)

Thanks for all your GREAT work and time.


/Rickard Eriksson
Sweden

Tom Eastep wrote:
>It is with regret that I announce that Shorewall development and support is
>officially ended.
>
>Sean''s post has finally driven it home to me that in the long term,
trying
>to support a project like Shorewall is impossible for a person of my
>personality and age.
>
>Sean -- please believe that this isn''t about you or your post --
your post
>was just the proverbial straw on this old camel''s back.
>
>Unlike the originators of other successful open source projects, I have not
>been able to attract a core of people who believe in Shorewall and who are
>willing to make sacrifices to ensure it''s success. That is my
weakness and I
>accept it. But is means that I have been left with trying to develop,
>document, and support Shorewall almost single-handedly. I cannot do it any
more.
>
>I have apparently been able to create the illusion of more success than has
>been achieved. Sean believes that he should be able to ignore the notices on
>the Shorewall 1.3 web site announcing that support for that release has
>ceased and thinks that the errata page should still have updated Shorewall
>components for a release that my 60 year old mind can''t remember
most of the
>details about. And he is right to expect that. But I can''t deliver
it.
>
>And I just cannot deal with the support and documentation frustration any
>more -- support, the documentation and the web site consume an order of
>magnitude more of my time than does Shorewall development. Apparently, I am
>completely inept at web site design because people just can''t find
the
>information that they need; and I have no more energy to try to fix it.
>
>Since I began developing Shorewall:
>
>a) I have gained over 60 pounds in weight.
>b) My lawn and landscaping have become an embarrassment in the neighborhood.
>c) I have begun exhibiting addictive behavior toward Linux and Shorewall.
>d) I have developed sleep disorders (I use a breathing aid at night)
>e) I dislike my life.
>
>It''s time to get myself cleaned up and re-enter the life of the
living.
>
>I will leave the Shorewall website and server in place until July 4 in case
>there is any community interest in picking up the pieces. Please email me
>privately if you are interested in carrying on; I''ll do what I can
to help.
>
>Tonight I am deleting myself from all of the Shorewall and Leaf mailing
lists.
>
>I will clean up what I have for a 2.3 release and place it on the server as
>the last Shorewall release -- Shorewall 2.4.0.
>
>I would like to express my appreciation for all who have used Shorewall and
>who have enriched my life through Shorewall. I especially appreciate:
>
>- Steve Cowles who helped me so much in the early days
>- Francesca Smith who picked up the sample configurations when I had had it
>with them
>- Mike Noyes who was always willing to help improve the documentation.
>
>I regret letting down those of you who depend on Shorewall. But look at it
>this way -- you have the source for all of the code that you run and
it''s
>all written in a very simple programming language. And there was always the
>possiblilty that I would walk in front of a bus.
>
>... and you have to admit that the price was right :-)
>
>Shorewall will always be a part of my life that I look back on with
fondness.
>
>As always,
>
>-Tom
>  
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject:
> Re: [leaf-user] New RFC1918 file needed?
> From:
> Sean Covel <seanecovel@comcast.net>
> Date:
> Tue, 17 May 2005 22:02:18 -0400
> To:
> Tom Eastep <teastep@shorewall.net>
>
> To:
> Tom Eastep <teastep@shorewall.net>
> CC:
> LEAF User <leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net>
>
>
>Tom,
>
>Tom Eastep wrote:
>  
>
>>Sean Covel wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I looked under errata for 1.3.14 and the rfc1918 file that was there
was
>>>old.  I guess that one is more up-to-date.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>Sean -- There is one up-to-date rfc1918 file for Shorewall versions up
to
>>2.0.1 linked from the top of the errata page. Do you actually think I
have
>>enough spare time to prepare separate updated rfc1918 files (which have
the
>>same contents) for each of the dozens of Shorewall releases that
included
>>Bogon address ranges in that file? Especially Shorewall releases that
have
>>not been supported for over two years (Hint: 1.3.14 falls into that
>>category)??????
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Since I''m not a Shorewall developer, I assumed I should look under
the
>errata for the version of Shorewall I was using.  How am I to know that
>every version of Shorewall from xxx to yyy had exactly the same format
>for the rfc1918 file?
>
>  
>
>>Do you actually believe that the list of "bad" IP addresses is
dependent on
>>which verison of Shorewall your are running? Please THINK when you sit
down
>>to your computer.
>>    
>>
>
>Ouch!  Having a bad day?
>
>Obviously "bad" IP addresses are not Shorewall version dependant,
but
>are rfc1918 files?  How should I know?  Besides, I  went to the
>Shorewall site, clicked on the version I am running, then clicked on the
>errata for that version.  Is this what I did wrong?  Perhaps if that
>rfc1918 was a link to the one you maintained we wouldn''t be having
this
>discussion...
>
>
>  
>
>>And for your other question, I aggregate adjacent ranges whereas the
IANA
>>lists them separately.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Thanks, good info.
>
>Sean
>
>
>  
>
>>-Tom
>>    
>>
>
>
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Hi,

I don''t mind to help hosting the website. And I can mirror it in
Malaysia,
and host the main website for free for everyone.

Any issues, can always contact me.

Regards,

Jason Png


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[mailto:shorewall-users-bounces@lists.shorewall.net] On Behalf Of Claas
Langbehn
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 3:33 PM
To: Mailing List for Shorewall Users; teastep@shorewall.net
Subject: Re: [Shorewall-users] I quit.

Dear Tom,


words can not describe, how much I want to thank you for all your work 
and help you put into shorewall.

If the website cannot stay online, I would like to help to mirror it.



best regards,
claas
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Mike Noyes wrote:
> If you need help with SF, let me know.
> 
> 
>>>Am i right in remembering
>>>that lists.shorewall.net is hosted elsewhere, Tom?
>>No, lists.shorewall.net is hosted here in my home. It''s the
same box as
>>http://shorewall.net which is the system that all of the mirrors
>>(including www.shorewall.net) rsync from. I don''t mind
continuing to
>>host the mailing lists here for a while until mailing lists can be
>>reestablished at SF (they were there once upon a time).
> 
> The SF staff will even import your pipermail archive, so the content
> isn''t lost. SF will upgrade Mailman shortly too, so the list
settings
> shouldn''t need much tweaking.
> 
Ok -- I appreciate the offer to help. Let''s wait until SF have upgraded
then hopefully we can move the lists pretty much intact over there.

-Tom
-- 
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Shoreline,     \ http://shorewall.net
Washington USA  \ teastep@shorewall.net
PGP Public Key   \ https://lists.shorewall.net/teastep.pgp.key

On Wed, 2005-05-18 at 09:22, Tom Eastep wrote:
> Mike Noyes wrote:
> >>I don''t mind continuing to
> >>host the mailing lists here for a while until mailing lists can be
> >>reestablished at SF (they were there once upon a time).
> > 
> > The SF staff will even import your pipermail archive, so the content
> > isn''t lost. SF will upgrade Mailman shortly too, so the list
settings
> > shouldn''t need much tweaking.
> 
> Ok -- I appreciate the offer to help. Let''s wait until SF have
upgraded
> then hopefully we can move the lists pretty much intact over there.
Tom,
That sounds good.

Have you considered moving CVS? I believe you haven''t migrated to SVN,
so CVS tarball import by the SF staff is possible. Maybe tarball the
repository after your last release?

-- 
Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net>
http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs

On Wed, 2005-05-18 at 09:22, Tom Eastep wrote:
> Mike Noyes wrote:
> > The SF staff will even import your pipermail archive, so the content
> > isn''t lost. SF will upgrade Mailman shortly too, so the list
settings
> > shouldn''t need much tweaking.
Tom,
Correction: MBOX import is supported. No pipermail support.

Sorry for the confusion.
> Ok -- I appreciate the offer to help. Let''s wait until SF have
upgraded
> then hopefully we can move the lists pretty much intact over there.
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I might be wrong but maybe if the main shorewall site
were hosted on sourceforge, many "file tracking"
problems would be minimized (?).
Anyway, I too can mirror the site in Spain and/or
France.

Thanks again Tom (although you probably arent on the
list anymore)




		
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Thank you very much TOM for all the work which you made.  
Greetings.

Mike Noyes wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-05-18 at 09:22, Tom Eastep wrote:
>>Mike Noyes wrote:
>>>>I don''t mind continuing to
>>>>host the mailing lists here for a while until mailing lists can
be
>>>>reestablished at SF (they were there once upon a time).
>>>The SF staff will even import your pipermail archive, so the content
>>>isn''t lost. SF will upgrade Mailman shortly too, so the
list settings
>>>shouldn''t need much tweaking.
>>Ok -- I appreciate the offer to help. Let''s wait until SF have
upgraded
>>then hopefully we can move the lists pretty much intact over there.
> 
> Tom,
> That sounds good.
> 
> Have you considered moving CVS? I believe you haven''t migrated to
SVN,
> so CVS tarball import by the SF staff is possible. Maybe tarball the
> repository after your last release?
> 
Yes -- that will work fine.

-Tom
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Washington USA  \ teastep@shorewall.net
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2005/5/18, Tom Eastep <teastep@shorewall.net>:

> > - We need to look at the big issues and make sure we''ve got a
good
> > handle on them.  For me, these include (in rough order of priority
from
> > my perspective):
> > * Multiple ISPs & load balancing
> > * Features to enable building a personal firewall with shorewall
> > * IPv6
> >
> 
My ideas  are the following:

1. Declare Shorewall "alive but feature frozen",only bug fixes, until
we can organize and get the needed coders,especially some good bash
coders and an iptables geek (?anyone?)

2.I can take care of a mirror and enrole me to the website and 
documentation. team.(please?)

3. Files,mailist,and cvs stuff "should" be transfered to SF and a
"help needed" item opened.

4. creat a more conservative release schema. IMHO shorewall have most
of the needed features,but ipv6 is a good new one.

hope it helps.
ps: please if you have comments,or help is needed with "tech"
issues,drop me a personal email.

>My ideas  are the following:
>1. Declare Shorewall "alive but feature frozen",only bug fixes,
until we
can organize and get the needed coders,especially some good bash coders and
an iptables geek (?anyone?)
>2.I can take care of a mirror and enrole me to the website and 
documentation. team.(please?)
>3. Files,mailist,and cvs stuff "should" be transfered to SF and a
"help
needed" item opened.
>4. creat a more conservative release schema. IMHO shorewall have most of
the needed features,but ipv6 is a good new one.

Great ideas all Cristian.  I think the key is to let people know that
Shorewall development has suffered an obviously irreplaceable loss but
continues.  I''m particularly interested personally in making that clear
to
the Leaf developers. 

I''ve let my coding skills wane but I''m willing to help with
coordination of
the project, plus whatever limited resources I have are also available.
Unfortunately, those do not include a suitable web server or internet
connection.

- Bob Coffman

On Wed, 2005-05-18 at 10:18, Tom Eastep wrote:
> Mike Noyes wrote:
> > Have you considered moving CVS? I believe you haven''t
migrated to SVN,
> > so CVS tarball import by the SF staff is possible. Maybe tarball the
> > repository after your last release?
> 
> Yes -- that will work fine.
Tom,
SourceForge Site Doc F2 outlines the procedure for import of an existing
CVS repository.


Introduction to SourceForge.net Project CVS Services for Developers
Import of Existing CVS Repositories
https://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=768&group_id=1#existingcvsimport

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http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs

Cristian Rodriguez wrote:
> 2005/5/18, Tom Eastep <teastep@shorewall.net>:
> 
> 
>>>- We need to look at the big issues and make sure we''ve got
a good
>>>handle on them.  For me, these include (in rough order of priority
from
>>>my perspective):
>>>* Multiple ISPs & load balancing
>>>* Features to enable building a personal firewall with shorewall
>>>* IPv6
>>>
> 
> My ideas  are the following:
> 
> 1. Declare Shorewall "alive but feature frozen",only bug fixes,
until
> we can organize and get the needed coders,especially some good bash
> coders and an iptables geek (?anyone?)
After 2.4.0 is out...
> 
> 2.I can take care of a mirror and enrole me to the website and 
> documentation. team.(please?)
> 
I think that we already have enough mirrors -- I think that the issue of
 where to place the rsync server and how to keep the mirrors and
sourceforge synced needs addressing. Basically, we need someone to be
Webmaster.

Since you are volunteering ...

I''ve attached the simple scripts that I use to publish to Sourceforge
and to my own server (shorewall.net AKA lists.shorewall.net AKA
cvs.shorewall.net AKA rsync.shorewall.net).

The way that this works currently is that I run ''publish''
which:

a) Converts files from XML to HTML if the original file is XML.
b) Uses SCP to copy the file(s) to my server and to sourceforge (you
will need a user account on Sourceforge).

All of the current documentation and the website files are in CVS
(Shorewall-Website/ and Shorewall-docs2/).

Possibly Mike Noyes can help you with coming up with a new arrangement;
he has offered to help with things at the Sourceforge end. I''m
uncertain
how to set up a publishing scheme based at Sourceforge that can keep the
mirrors updated.

One of the flukes with the HTML documentation is that part of the files
have an ".htm" extension and part have ".html". The attached
''publish''
script depends on a "../Website" directory to be populated with the
.htm
files. The script that I use to build Shorewall releases
(http://shorewall.net/pub/shorewall/contrib/makeshorewall.sh) includes a
list of the .htm files -- that''s a better approach but I just never got
around to adding it to the publish script (if it ain''t broke,
don''t fix it).

Both the publish and makeshorewall scripts require recent Docbook XML
tools to be installed.

I use XXE (Xmlmind XML Editor -- http://www.xmlbind.com/xmleditor) to
edit the Docbook XML files. The standard version is free and it''s a
nice
WYSIWYG editor.

Note that there are two different files used for the Left Frame on the
website -- one for Sourceforge and one for the other sites (Sourceforge
has Logo requirements for the sites that they host).

I publish those files using an scp command rather than the publish script.

Example for Sourceforge:

scp Shorewall_sfindex_frame.htm
shorewall.sf.net:/home/groups/s/sh/shorewall/htdocs/Shorewall_index_frame.htm
> 3. Files,mailist,and cvs stuff "should" be transfered to SF and a
> "help needed" item opened.
Nod -- we will move the mailing lists when Sourceforge has upgraded
their Mailman installation (I''m currently running a later release of
mailman so our files aren''t compatible). CVS will be moved after 2.4.0.
> 
> 4. creat a more conservative release schema. IMHO shorewall have most
> of the needed features,but ipv6 is a good new one.
> 
That is in line with Paul''s recommendation.

-Tom
-- 
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Shoreline,     \ http://shorewall.net
Washington USA  \ teastep@shorewall.net
PGP Public Key   \ https://lists.shorewall.net/teastep.pgp.key
-------------- next part --------------
#!/bin/sh

#STYLESHEET=/home/teastep/Shorewall/docbook-xsl-1.62.4//xhtml/docbook.xsl
STYLESHEET=/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/xhtml/docbook.xsl
WEBSITE=/home/teastep/Shorewall/Website

if [ $# -eq 0 ]; then
    echo "Usage: $(basename $0) <XML file> ..."
    exit 2
fi

while [ $# -gt 0 ]; do

    case $1 in
	*.xml)
	    b=${1%.*}

	    if [ -f ../Website/$b.htm ]; then
		b=$b.htm
		f="$WEBSITE/$b"
	    else
		b=$b.html
		f="$WEBSITE/$b"
	    fi

	    echo "Converting $1 from XML to HTML ($b) ..."

	    if xmllint --valid --noout $1 && xsltproc --output $f --stringparam
html.stylesheet html.css -param toc.section.depth 3 $STYLESHEET $1 ; then
		filestocopy="$filestocopy $f"
	    fi
	    ;;

	*)
	    filestocopy="$filestocopy $1"
	    ;;
    esac

    shift

done

if [ -n "$filestocopy" ]; then
    for f in $filestocopy; do
	filestoreport="$filestoreport $(basename $f)"
    done

    echo "Copying$filestoreport to SourceForge..."
    scp $filestocopy
teastep@shorewall.sourceforge.net:/home/groups/s/sh/shorewall/htdocs >
/dev/null
    echo "Copying$filestoreport to Mail..."
    scp -p $filestocopy root@mail:/var/www/html > /dev/null
fi


-------------- next part --------------
#!/bin/sh

	scp $@
teastep@shorewall.sourceforge.net:/home/groups/s/sh/shorewall/htdocs/images
	scp -p  $@ root@mail:/var/www/html/images
#	cp  -pf $@ /home/teastep/Shorewall-docs


-------------- next part --------------
#!/bin/sh

	scp $@ teastep@shorewall.sourceforge.net:/home/groups/s/sh/shorewall/htdocs
	scp -p  $@ root@mail:/var/www/html
	scp -p  $@ root@mail:/var/www/lists
#	cp  -pf $@ /home/teastep/Shorewall-docs

2005/5/18, Tom Eastep <teastep@shorewall.net>:
> >
> > My ideas  are the following:
> >
> > 1. Declare Shorewall "alive but feature frozen",only bug
fixes, until
> > we can organize and get the needed coders,especially some good bash
> > coders and an iptables geek (?anyone?)
> 
> After 2.4.0 is out...
of course ;)
 
> >
> > 2.I can take care of a mirror and enrole me to the website and
> > documentation. team.(please?)
> >
> 
> I think that we already have enough mirrors -- I think that the issue of
>  where to place the rsync server and how to keep the mirrors and
> sourceforge synced needs addressing. Basically, we need someone to be
> Webmaster.
> 
> Since you are volunteering ...
> 
> I''ve attached the simple scripts that I use to publish to
Sourceforge
> and to my own server (shorewall.net AKA lists.shorewall.net AKA
> cvs.shorewall.net AKA rsync.shorewall.net).
> 
http://ftp.belnet.be/ and others are providing rsync mirror,what we
need is a master rsync server,sadly providing the hardware and
bandwith for that is out of my possibilities :(

anyone at leaf or Mandriva can help with this issue???

Thank you for all the hard work in all these years!
Good luck!!!

Sascha

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Tom Eastep wrote on 18/05/2005 00:17:08:
> It is with regret that I announce that Shorewall development and support 
is
> officially ended.
> 
Many many thanks Tom!

Eduardo Ferreira

On Wed, 2005-05-18 at 11:57, Tom Eastep wrote:
> Cristian Rodriguez wrote:
> Possibly Mike Noyes can help you with coming up with a new arrangement;
> he has offered to help with things at the Sourceforge end. I''m
uncertain
> how to set up a publishing scheme based at Sourceforge that can keep the
> mirrors updated.
Tom,
Do you pull or push with rsync? SF doesn''t offer public rsync hosting.
Only project members with shell access can rsync to/from the shell.

I use a script on SF to xslt docbook xml to html. It''s not great, but
it
does work. One good thing, the public uri for docbook xsl files is local
to the SF shell.

daily.sh
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/leaf/sourceforge/admin/

        Note: cron was just re-enabled by the SF staff. There are some
        new restrictions to be aware of though.

-- 
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http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs

Your passion shone through.

Thank you.
> It is with regret that I announce that Shorewall development and support
> is
> officially ended.
>
> Sean''s post has finally driven it home to me that in the long
term, trying
> to support a project like Shorewall is impossible for a person of my
> personality and age.
>
> Sean -- please believe that this isn''t about you or your post --
your post
> was just the proverbial straw on this old camel''s back.
>
> Unlike the originators of other successful open source projects, I have
> not
> been able to attract a core of people who believe in Shorewall and who are
> willing to make sacrifices to ensure it''s success. That is my
weakness and
> I
> accept it. But is means that I have been left with trying to develop,
> document, and support Shorewall almost single-handedly. I cannot do it any
> more.
>
> I have apparently been able to create the illusion of more success than
> has
> been achieved. Sean believes that he should be able to ignore the notices
> on
> the Shorewall 1.3 web site announcing that support for that release has
> ceased and thinks that the errata page should still have updated Shorewall
> components for a release that my 60 year old mind can''t remember
most of
> the
> details about. And he is right to expect that. But I can''t deliver
it.
>
> And I just cannot deal with the support and documentation frustration any
> more -- support, the documentation and the web site consume an order of
> magnitude more of my time than does Shorewall development. Apparently, I
> am
> completely inept at web site design because people just can''t find
the
> information that they need; and I have no more energy to try to fix it.
>
> Since I began developing Shorewall:
>
> a) I have gained over 60 pounds in weight.
> b) My lawn and landscaping have become an embarrassment in the
> neighborhood.
> c) I have begun exhibiting addictive behavior toward Linux and Shorewall.
> d) I have developed sleep disorders (I use a breathing aid at night)
> e) I dislike my life.
>
> It''s time to get myself cleaned up and re-enter the life of the
living.
>
> I will leave the Shorewall website and server in place until July 4 in
> case
> there is any community interest in picking up the pieces. Please email me
> privately if you are interested in carrying on; I''ll do what I can
to
> help.
>
> Tonight I am deleting myself from all of the Shorewall and Leaf mailing
> lists.
>
> I will clean up what I have for a 2.3 release and place it on the server
> as
> the last Shorewall release -- Shorewall 2.4.0.
>
> I would like to express my appreciation for all who have used Shorewall
> and
> who have enriched my life through Shorewall. I especially appreciate:
>
> - Steve Cowles who helped me so much in the early days
> - Francesca Smith who picked up the sample configurations when I had had
> it
> with them
> - Mike Noyes who was always willing to help improve the documentation.
>
> I regret letting down those of you who depend on Shorewall. But look at it
> this way -- you have the source for all of the code that you run and
it''s
> all written in a very simple programming language. And there was always
> the
> possiblilty that I would walk in front of a bus.
>
> ... and you have to admit that the price was right :-)
>
> Shorewall will always be a part of my life that I look back on with
> fondness.
>
> As always,
>
> -Tom
> --
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Tom,

Thanks a lot for everything.  There is a school network down the street, my
home and business networks, and several private businesses protected by
Shorewall.   And that''s just one user. 
>I have not been able to attract a core of people who believe in Shorewall
and who are willing to make sacrifices to ensure it''s success.

Perhaps you have just done that.  With you so willing to carry the load all
this time, perhaps this is what was needed to move Shorewall to that level.
Check back in a year and see how we are doing.

Thanks again -

Bob Coffman

Mike Noyes wrote:
> Do you pull or push with rsync? SF doesn''t offer public rsync
hosting.
> Only project members with shell access can rsync to/from the shell.
Currently, all of the mirrors pull from rsync.shorewall.net.
> 
> I use a script on SF to xslt docbook xml to html. It''s not great,
but it
> does work. One good thing, the public uri for docbook xsl files is local
> to the SF shell.
Nod.
> 
> daily.sh
> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/leaf/sourceforge/admin/
> 
>         Note: cron was just re-enabled by the SF staff. There are some
>         new restrictions to be aware of though.
> 
Ok -- I think I have a place where we can host an rsync server for the
mirrors; I''ll continue this thought in another thread.

-Tom
-- 
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Shoreline,     \ http://shorewall.net
Washington USA  \ teastep@shorewall.net
PGP Public Key   \ https://lists.shorewall.net/teastep.pgp.key

On Wed, 2005-05-18 at 12:28, Cristian Rodriguez wrote:
> 2005/5/18, Tom Eastep <teastep@shorewall.net>:
> > I''ve attached the simple scripts that I use to publish to
Sourceforge
> > and to my own server (shorewall.net AKA lists.shorewall.net AKA
> > cvs.shorewall.net AKA rsync.shorewall.net).
> > 
> http://ftp.belnet.be/ and others are providing rsync mirror,what we
> need is a master rsync server,sadly providing the hardware and
> bandwith for that is out of my possibilities :(
> 
> anyone at leaf or Mandriva can help with this issue???
Cristian,
Charles may be willing and able to help. He hosts the leaf master rsync
site.

-- 
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http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs

Dear Tom, 

Thank you for the amazing amount of energy and time you have put into
Shorewall. I am very sorry to hear it has cost you so dearly.

Shorewall has been my aid in securing several simple networks and
stand-alone boxes over the years. Never felt the need to ask for support.
Partly because the situations were never that hard to grasp, but also
because the documentation was always good! At least, good enough for me and
I suppose 99,7% of the other users that were willing to do some effort
(development questions not taken into account).

All the best to you and your family!  

Sander Bontje

Tom,

I''m heart broken to hear that you have decided to stop development on a
project that has ultimately changed the Linux community forever.

Without your hard work, dedication, and preserverence, our Linux networks 
would be rife with Trojans, Virus''s, and root-kitted machines.

I know most of what you have done may have seemed pointless based on many 
complainers on the lists. Those who simply do not understand the hard work, 
and thankless effort that goes into such a huge and demanding project.

However, I understand. I have been using Shorewall ever since it forst came 
out. Each new release brang new features I never even knew I needed until 
they appeared. Shorewall is the cream of the crop in firewalls for Linux.

You support and effort will truly be missed.

If there is any way I can contribute, I gladly will.

Perhaps you could open Shorewall to the community and lead the future 
developement, without having to spend quite so much time at it. I know I can 
certainly assist in development, as could many others on this list. All we 
need is direction from the master.

Best Regards, "A Loyal User"

Rod.

Hi Tom

For years i have seen you supporting almost single handedly the support on 
this list, All i can say is great Job, I would hate to see you go but im 
sure you wont be far behind , as this is your project and im sure you would 
be interested in seeing it develop.

Thank you for all these years of Fabulous support and hopefully to many more 
once everything blows over and ;) the grass is greener.


Im willing to offer a mirror in Canada if one is required. As for 
developement, i dont think im qualified for it but one never knows.


Here is where all my unused computer time goes
http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/team/viewTeamInfo.do?teamId=9FL4CP1TN1
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sander Bontje" <sander@phrog.nl>
To: "''Mailing List for Shorewall Users''" 
<shorewall-users@lists.shorewall.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: [Shorewall-users] I quit.

> Dear Tom,
>
> Thank you for the amazing amount of energy and time you have put into
> Shorewall. I am very sorry to hear it has cost you so dearly.
>
> Shorewall has been my aid in securing several simple networks and
> stand-alone boxes over the years. Never felt the need to ask for support.
> Partly because the situations were never that hard to grasp, but also
> because the documentation was always good! At least, good enough for me 
> and
> I suppose 99,7% of the other users that were willing to do some effort
> (development questions not taken into account).
>
> All the best to you and your family!
>
> Sander Bontje
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Post: Shorewall-users@lists.shorewall.net
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: 
> https://lists.shorewall.net/mailman/listinfo/shorewall-users
> Support: http://www.shorewall.net/support.htm
> FAQ: http://www.shorewall.net/FAQ.htm
>

Hello,

I use Shorewall

I like Tom in everything , in everything, in everything

I will spport Shorewall in all forms I can, I feel a part of me
I love it, and I envy you Tom for such a success

I offer anything wanted
Web space, and everything

Please we need to keep it, as it is not only a firewall conf. package, it is 
a life style for me

I have a small hosting provider, and I will give anything needed to keep 
this project, and I''m not much into perl, but i will learn perl

Please arrange it, as it is very bad to stop shorewall, as i feel u will sto 
pthe open srouce philosophy as well

Waiting for replies

TOM, u r a god to me,

Kindest Regards
Samer
>From: Alex Martin <shorewall@rettc.com>
>Reply-To: Mailing List for Shorewall 
>Users<shorewall-users@lists.shorewall.net>
>To: Tom Eastep <teastep@shorewall.net>,  
>shorewall-users@lists.shorewall.net
>Subject: [Shorewall-users] Re: [Shorewall-announce] I quit.
>Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 00:17:26 -0600
>
>Hello,
>
>>It''s time to get myself cleaned up and re-enter the life of the
living.
>>
>>
>>
>Tom, you must do what is healthy for you. Thanks for everything. Shorewall 
>has been running on many of linux boxes since version 1.2, (that is over 
>four years of dedicated shorewall development if I am estimating right) and 
>as everyone on this list and more well knows your time and efforts and 
>software have been unmatched anywhere I have seen throughout the opensource 
>community.
>
>FWIW my brother, a passionate developer, has a few times over the years had 
>to remove all internet connections from his house to separate his life from 
>his passion for work. That is of course only reasonable if you do not work 
>at home of course, which may be your case if I recall. Thus, the separation 
>from shorewall and the maintenance of your internet is a fine solution to 
>the issues you describe. Health above all is of primary importance.
>
>>I will leave the Shorewall website and server in place until July 4 in 
>>case
>>there is any community interest in picking up the pieces. Please email
me
>>privately if you are interested in carrying on; I''ll do what I
can to
>>help.
>>
>>
>
>I am happy to maintain the primary mirror http://www.shorewall.net as long, 
>of course, as you leave the DNS records in place.
>
>If anyone with time/energy/knowledge gets it together, I am happy to 
>continue providing what hosting services I can to keep this thing going.
>
>Thank you Tom,
>
>Alex Martin
>http://www.rettc.com
>
>
>
>
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Cristian Rodriguez wrote:
> ...
> My ideas  are the following:
> 
> 1. Declare Shorewall "alive but feature frozen",only bug fixes,
until
> we can organize and get the needed coders,especially some good bash
> coders and an iptables geek (?anyone?)
> 
> 2.I can take care of a mirror and enrole me to the website and 
> documentation. team.(please?)
> 
> 3. Files,mailist,and cvs stuff "should" be transfered to SF and a
> "help needed" item opened.
> 
> 4. creat a more conservative release schema. IMHO shorewall have most
> of the needed features,but ipv6 is a good new one.
> 
> hope it helps.
> ps: please if you have comments,or help is needed with "tech"
> issues,drop me a personal email.
That all seems fairly reasonable.  Tom, would you mind summarising for
the -devel list all of the offers you''ve received so we can take stock?

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Tom Eastep wrote:
>It is with regret that I announce that Shorewall development and support is
>officially ended.
>
>  
>
Tom:
Thanks for everything you''ve done. And stay well.

Regards,
Micha

Paul Gear wrote:
> Cristian Rodriguez wrote:
>>...
>>My ideas  are the following:
>>
>>1. Declare Shorewall "alive but feature frozen",only bug
fixes, until
>>we can organize and get the needed coders,especially some good bash
>>coders and an iptables geek (?anyone?)
>>
>>2.I can take care of a mirror and enrole me to the website and 
>>documentation. team.(please?)
>>
>>3. Files,mailist,and cvs stuff "should" be transfered to SF
and a
>>"help needed" item opened.
>>
>>4. creat a more conservative release schema. IMHO shorewall have most
>>of the needed features,but ipv6 is a good new one.
>>
>>hope it helps.
>>ps: please if you have comments,or help is needed with "tech"
>>issues,drop me a personal email.
> 
> That all seems fairly reasonable.  Tom, would you mind summarising for
> the -devel list all of the offers you''ve received so we can take
stock?
> 
Ok -- I''ll try. I''ve received several hundred emails today and
I''m a bit
overwhelmed. I''ve had many offers for mirror hosting -- I
don''t see
additional mirrors as a priority at this point.

I''ve been trying to steer those with a real interest to the Leaf and
Shorewall development lists where they can participate in these discussions.

a) You (Paul) have been added as an administrator at SF (Thanks!).
b) Mike Noyes who works closely with the SF staff has offered his help
on that end.
c) Charles Steinkuehler (of Leaf fame) has offered hosting services and
may have some time to code (Sorry I haven''t gotten back to you Charles
-- as you can imagine, this has been a wild day).
d) Cristian has offered to help with Documentation/Web site management
as has Alex Wilms.
e) Jim Richardson has offered to head development.
f) Ron Shannon has offered operational support and has surplus storage
and bandwidth.
g) Ian Allen has offered to help code (He also has two ADSL lines so he
can test the Multi-ISP support in 2.3/2.4).

I hope that I haven''t forgotten anyone -- If I have, please speak up.

I think we have a core group here who can carry things forward. I''m
available help get things transferred off of my server but I think the
less that I have to say about how this plays out from here, the better.

-Tom
-- 
Tom Eastep    \ Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool
Shoreline,     \ http://shorewall.net
Washington USA  \ teastep@shorewall.net
PGP Public Key   \ https://lists.shorewall.net/teastep.pgp.key

Tom Eastep wrote:
> 
> It is with regret that I announce that Shorewall development and support is
> officially ended.
Tom,

Just saying thanks wouldn''t be appropriate to compensate for all the
blood, sweat and tears you have sacrificed for the development of
Shorewall and us fumbling users all these years. All I can really say is
that you are truly the shining knight who sits supreme at the round
table of the Open Source community. 

All the best to you, sir, and I hope you find the path back to a life
that you would like to resume once again! You will be sorely missed with
your departure....

With high regards,

Patrick

PS - If your neighbors complain about your lawn getting to look like
wild fields we''ll sign a petition which you can hammer on your front
lawn and show them how you blessed us with *IPTABLES MADE EASY* for the
whole world!  :)


-- 
Patrick Benson
Stockholm, Sweden

Thanks for all Tom,

Best wishes from France, bye and good luck !

Many thanks, Tom for Shorewall and its older brother, Seawall.

I hope you''ll get to enjoy some time in the Okanogan Valley.
-- 
Tom P.
Juneau, Alaska

Tom

Please accept my thanks for your hard work and long dedication to this
project.  Shorewall uniquely fills a need and I will miss it dearly if
it is gone.  It is an awesome best in class tool!

But I support you in your decision to retire from it.  It is too easy
to get caught up in this artificial world we have created within the
machine.  I am hoping that you garden, travel, and generally enjoy
life.  You have earned it.

But perhaps you will find it in your heart to return to this great
project again at some time in the future.  You will be missed.

Bob

Tom Eastep wrote:
> It is with regret that I announce that Shorewall development and support is
> officially ended.
> 
> Sean''s post has finally driven it home to me that in the long
term, trying
> to support a project like Shorewall is impossible for a person of my
> personality and age.
> 
> Sean -- please believe that this isn''t about you or your post --
your post
> was just the proverbial straw on this old camel''s back.
> 
> Unlike the originators of other successful open source projects, I have not
> been able to attract a core of people who believe in Shorewall and who are
> willing to make sacrifices to ensure it''s success. That is my
weakness and I
> accept it. But is means that I have been left with trying to develop,
> document, and support Shorewall almost single-handedly. I cannot do it any
more.
> 
> I have apparently been able to create the illusion of more success than has
> been achieved. Sean believes that he should be able to ignore the notices
on
> the Shorewall 1.3 web site announcing that support for that release has
> ceased and thinks that the errata page should still have updated Shorewall
> components for a release that my 60 year old mind can''t remember
most of the
> details about. And he is right to expect that. But I can''t deliver
it.
> 
> And I just cannot deal with the support and documentation frustration any
> more -- support, the documentation and the web site consume an order of
> magnitude more of my time than does Shorewall development. Apparently, I am
> completely inept at web site design because people just can''t find
the
> information that they need; and I have no more energy to try to fix it.
> 
> Since I began developing Shorewall:
> 
> a) I have gained over 60 pounds in weight.
> b) My lawn and landscaping have become an embarrassment in the
neighborhood.
> c) I have begun exhibiting addictive behavior toward Linux and Shorewall.
> d) I have developed sleep disorders (I use a breathing aid at night)
> e) I dislike my life.
> 
> It''s time to get myself cleaned up and re-enter the life of the
living.
> 
> I will leave the Shorewall website and server in place until July 4 in case
> there is any community interest in picking up the pieces. Please email me
> privately if you are interested in carrying on; I''ll do what I can
to help.
> 
> Tonight I am deleting myself from all of the Shorewall and Leaf mailing
lists.
> 
> I will clean up what I have for a 2.3 release and place it on the server as
> the last Shorewall release -- Shorewall 2.4.0.
> 
> I would like to express my appreciation for all who have used Shorewall and
> who have enriched my life through Shorewall. I especially appreciate:
> 
> - Steve Cowles who helped me so much in the early days
> - Francesca Smith who picked up the sample configurations when I had had it
> with them
> - Mike Noyes who was always willing to help improve the documentation.
> 
> I regret letting down those of you who depend on Shorewall. But look at it
> this way -- you have the source for all of the code that you run and
it''s
> all written in a very simple programming language. And there was always the
> possiblilty that I would walk in front of a bus.
> 
> ... and you have to admit that the price was right :-)
> 
> Shorewall will always be a part of my life that I look back on with
fondness.
> 
> As always,
> 
> -Tom
> -- 
> Tom Eastep    \ Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool
> Shoreline,     \ http://shorewall.net
> Washington USA  \ teastep@shorewall.net
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> _______________________________________________
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Tom Eastep wrote:

| It is with regret that I announce that Shorewall development and support is
| officially ended.

Tom,

First, many thanks for creating the firewall that I now use to replace the
customized scripts from my earlier LRP/LEAF releases.  I know of no better
way to say how much I (and many others, I''m sure!) appreciate your work
than
to let you know it is being used in production environments.

Having supported my own LRP/LEAF distributions, I can fully appreciate your
reasons for needing to step aside, and the mixture of emotions that creates.

I feel it is safe to say that Shorewall will not go quietly into the night,
and that it will take many dedicated people to shoulder the burden
you''ve
been carrying for quite some time.

| I regret letting down those of you who depend on Shorewall. But look at it
| this way -- you have the source for all of the code that you run and
it''s
| all written in a very simple programming language. And there was always the
| possiblilty that I would walk in front of a bus.
|
| ... and you have to admit that the price was right :-)

You are not letting us down in any way.  The contribution you''ve made
to
everyone using shorewall is immense, and realized everytime someone
downloads a version of shorewall or reads any of the (excellent) online
documentation.

As others have offered, I can provide any hosting services (via existing
CoLo servers) that might be required and cannot be fulfilled by sourceforge.
In addition, I am beginning to have a bit more free time and may be able to
help with ongoing development.

| Shorewall will always be a part of my life that I look back on with fondness.

Those of us who use (and will hopefully continue to use) shorewall will
always remember your dedication, your tireless responses to queries for
help, the quality of your code, and the effort you expended which made our
burdens lighter.

For all this and more, thank you!

- --
Charles Steinkuehler
charles@steinkuehler.net
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> It is with regret that I announce that Shorewall development and support
> is
> officially ended.
Hi Tom,

All I can say is THANK YOU very much for all the hard work you have put
into Shorewall and it''s great documentation and the best support I have
seen in my life. I hope you will get your life back and relax and enjoy.
You really did so much for all of us.

Simon

Tom,

I want to thank you so much for all you have done.  I also want to tell 
you how much I have learned from you in the documentation and in your 
responses to this list.

Maybe you could finance your gardening by getting an advance to write a 
book on SPF/FW''s, one for dummies, and one for the 
not-so-dumb-but-just-getting-feet-wet.  I was in latter category six 
months ago, but carrying self well in esteem of peers now, thanks in a 
huge way to you.

melissa davis


Simon Matter wrote:
>>It is with regret that I announce that Shorewall development and support
>>is
>>officially ended.
>>    
>>
>
>Hi Tom,
>
>All I can say is THANK YOU very much for all the hard work you have put
>into Shorewall and it''s great documentation and the best support I
have
>seen in my life. I hope you will get your life back and relax and enjoy.
>You really did so much for all of us.
>
>Simon
>
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>
>
>  
>

As a Shorewall user for over 2 1/2 years I understand where Tom is coming
from. It seems that people will not search old posts or documentation before
firing off emails. I believe that I may have one been one of those people in
the beginning ..... :-)

Tom: You will be missed for the great service you are/have provided to
users/admins around the world. Your health, both physically and mentally
however is more important.

As a side note to the list, I will continue to maintain the Boston mirror as
long as possible. Since I do not work for the company where it is hosted
anymore, there will come a day when they will turn it off!

Good luck, hopefully we will see you back some day.

Graeme Boyle

Everyone:
   We own a managed hosting company with a data center in Saint  
Louis.  We have plenty of bandwidth and are happy to help where  
necessary with the hosting.


Cheers,
   Matthew

On May 18, 2005, at 3:29 PM, Graeme Boyle wrote:
> As a Shorewall user for over 2 1/2 years I understand where Tom is  
> coming
> from. It seems that people will not search old posts or  
> documentation before
> firing off emails. I believe that I may have one been one of those  
> people in
> the beginning ..... :-)
>
> Tom: You will be missed for the great service you are/have provided to
> users/admins around the world. Your health, both physically and  
> mentally
> however is more important.
>
> As a side note to the list, I will continue to maintain the Boston  
> mirror as
> long as possible. Since I do not work for the company where it is  
> hosted
> anymore, there will come a day when they will turn it off!
>
> Good luck, hopefully we will see you back some day.
>
> Graeme Boyle
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Post: Shorewall-users@lists.shorewall.net
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: https://lists.shorewall.net/mailman/listinfo/ 
> shorewall-users
> Support: http://www.shorewall.net/support.htm
> FAQ: http://www.shorewall.net/FAQ.htm
>

Tom, I greatly appreciate your support and development of Shorewall,
and it is sad to see you leave. I will continue using your great piece
of software. I wish you the best of luck in the future.

On 5/18/05, Matthew E. Porter <matthew.porter@contegix.com>
wrote:
> Everyone:
>    We own a managed hosting company with a data center in Saint
> Louis.  We have plenty of bandwidth and are happy to help where
> necessary with the hosting.
> 
> Cheers,
>    Matthew
> 
> On May 18, 2005, at 3:29 PM, Graeme Boyle wrote:
> 
> > As a Shorewall user for over 2 1/2 years I understand where Tom is
> > coming
> > from. It seems that people will not search old posts or
> > documentation before
> > firing off emails. I believe that I may have one been one of those
> > people in
> > the beginning ..... :-)
> >
> > Tom: You will be missed for the great service you are/have provided to
> > users/admins around the world. Your health, both physically and
> > mentally
> > however is more important.
> >
> > As a side note to the list, I will continue to maintain the Boston
> > mirror as
> > long as possible. Since I do not work for the company where it is
> > hosted
> > anymore, there will come a day when they will turn it off!
> >
> > Good luck, hopefully we will see you back some day.
> >
> > Graeme Boyle
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Shorewall-users mailing list
> > Post: Shorewall-users@lists.shorewall.net
> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: https://lists.shorewall.net/mailman/listinfo/
> > shorewall-users
> > Support: http://www.shorewall.net/support.htm
> > FAQ: http://www.shorewall.net/FAQ.htm
> >
> 
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> 

-- 
Dustin Carl

Alex Martin wrote:
> 
> I am happy to maintain the primary mirror http://www.shorewall.net as
> long, of course, as you leave the DNS records in place.
> 
> If anyone with time/energy/knowledge gets it together, I am happy to
> continue providing what hosting services I can to keep this thing going.
Discussions are currently underway on the development list -- feel free
to join in, Alex.

-Tom
-- 
Tom Eastep    \ Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool
Shoreline,     \ http://shorewall.net
Washington USA  \ teastep@shorewall.net
PGP Public Key   \ https://lists.shorewall.net/teastep.pgp.key

> Ok -- I''ll try. I''ve received several hundred emails
today and I''m a bit
> overwhelmed. I''ve had many offers for mirror hosting -- I
don''t see
> additional mirrors as a priority at this point.
>
> I''ve been trying to steer those with a real interest to the Leaf
and
> Shorewall development lists where they can participate in these
> discussions.
>
> a) You (Paul) have been added as an administrator at SF (Thanks!).
> b) Mike Noyes who works closely with the SF staff has offered his help
> on that end.
> c) Charles Steinkuehler (of Leaf fame) has offered hosting services and
> may have some time to code (Sorry I haven''t gotten back to you
Charles
> -- as you can imagine, this has been a wild day).
> d) Cristian has offered to help with Documentation/Web site management
> as has Alex Wilms.
> e) Jim Richardson has offered to head development.
> f) Ron Shannon has offered operational support and has surplus storage
> and bandwidth.
> g) Ian Allen has offered to help code (He also has two ADSL lines so he
> can test the Multi-ISP support in 2.3/2.4).
>
> I hope that I haven''t forgotten anyone -- If I have, please speak
up.
I will continue my contributions to Shorewall by providing rpm packages
tailored for RedHat/Fedora based distributions. The Shorewall rpms have
quickly become the number one download at our site with some thousand
downloads each month.

Simon

On Thursday 19 May 2005 00:03, Tom Eastep wrote:
> g) Ian Allen has offered to help code (He also has two ADSL lines so he
> can test the Multi-ISP support in 2.3/2.4).
>
Besides documentation I can offer also beta testing for Multi-ISP support. Now 
in my vmware testbed, later this summer with 2 or more SDSL lines.

HTH,
Alex

Tom,

Good east time in that I have had the opportunity to know Shorewall, I
realized that behind the whole exists a great person, in that 2000 when I
had the first contacts, and when me dístes all your aid when to just it
initiated with seawall and shorewall later me.  Thanks of all heart, and the
best one of the successes for you.

Thanks from Chile

Hello Tom,

I will just chime in my thanks as well. Life does include computers but
it''s certainly not the only thing. Thanks for the very good software
and best of luck in everything going forward.

Doug Leece
Calgary Alberta

Tom,

I''d like to throw my hat into the ring with everyone else wishing you
well.  Your hard work has greatly improved the security of both my
home and work networks.  In addition, because of your hard work, I''ve
been able to set up shorewall-based firewalls at a number of schools
and small businesses, allowing them to benefit from linux.  If you
take nothing else with you from this experience, realize that your
hard work has benefitted myriad people and will continue to do so for
many years.

I wish you very well because I''ll never be able to thank you properly
for all your hard work.

-Gary

On 17-May-2005, Tom Eastep wrote:
> I would like to express my appreciation for all who have used
> Shorewall and who have enriched my life through Shorewall.
Thank you, Tom.

Thanks for the great gift of Shorewall in the first instance.

Thanks much more for directing and developing it far beyond the point
where it was your own itch to scratch, while keeping it a simple and
understandable system.

Thanks for the enormous energy over an extended time in documenting,
supporting and cluebatting the user base of this great tool.

I''m personally grateful beyond what I have ever been able to give back
to Shorewall and yourself, for this gift of design, energy and grace.

I''m sad to hear that it has cost you inordinately, but in the end:


Thank you, above all, for passing on the baton with dignity and
consideration for all concerned -- especially yourself.

The best to you and yours in your future endeavours.
> Shorewall will always be a part of my life that I look back on with
> fondness.
I don''t doubt that it will always be here for you to come and visit
:-)

-- 
 \          "Jury: A group of 12 people, who, having lied to the judge |
  `\       about their health, hearing, and business engagements, have |
_o__)                        failed to fool him."  -- Henry L. Mencken |
Ben Finney <ben@benfinney.id.au>

do what you like, and feel good yourself! that''s the most important in
life.
anyway we''ll be very glad to be able to use shorewall, forever!

ps. and one more note, that shorewall the best documented project i ever 
seen (despite of you think that):-)
yours.

-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"

> a) You (Paul) have been added as an administrator at SF (Thanks!).
> b) Mike Noyes who works closely with the SF staff has offered his help
> on that end.
> c) Charles Steinkuehler (of Leaf fame) has offered hosting services and
> may have some time to code (Sorry I haven''t gotten back to you
Charles
> -- as you can imagine, this has been a wild day).
> d) Cristian has offered to help with Documentation/Web site management
> as has Alex Wilms.
> e) Jim Richardson has offered to head development.
> f) Ron Shannon has offered operational support and has surplus storage
> and bandwidth.
> g) Ian Allen has offered to help code (He also has two ADSL lines so he
> can test the Multi-ISP support in 2.3/2.4).
>
> I hope that I haven''t forgotten anyone -- If I have, please speak
up.
I will continue my contributions to Shorewall by providing rpm packages
tailored for RedHat/Fedora based distributions. The Shorewall rpms have
quickly become the number one download at our site with some thousand
downloads each month.

Simon

Hi All:

I''m available to help beta test.

Simon:
I have used your rpms, they work great. What I see as one problem,
is that while you have 2.2.X available, fedora extra still has only 1.4.8
available to install. I know that shorewall is not aimed at the newbie,
but how can "we" get this changed? That should cut down on the number
of "1.4.x problem reports" While on the subject of rpms, have you
considered making a yum repo available for the shorewall package?
This would help to stay current, and handle any dependency issues that
may occur. To stay current, all you would need to do is add a shorewall.repo
to /etc/yum.repos.d and when a "yum check-update'' is run the
shorewall
repo is contacted to see if there is a newer version available. "yum
update"
would install any newer packages, if found. I have a mini repo setup for myself,
works great. I can help out with the setup of the repo if needed. If this is
workable, maybe add the shorewall.repo information to the rpm.
Just some thoughts.

Jerry Vonau

Jerry Vonau wrote:
>would install any newer packages, if found. I have a mini repo setup for
myself,
>works great. I can help out with the setup of the repo if needed. If this is
>workable, maybe add the shorewall.repo information to the rpm.
>Just some thoughts.
>
>Jerry Vonau
>  
>
I also have private repos for the (rh8.0,fc1,fc2,fc3,fc4) supporting 
apt-rpm and yum,
that I uses to distribute packages like shorewall to my systems. I could
configure or create them as public if needed.

>
>
>> a) You (Paul) have been added as an administrator at SF (Thanks!).
>> b) Mike Noyes who works closely with the SF staff has offered his help
>> on that end.
>> c) Charles Steinkuehler (of Leaf fame) has offered hosting services and
>> may have some time to code (Sorry I haven''t gotten back to you
Charles
>> -- as you can imagine, this has been a wild day).
>> d) Cristian has offered to help with Documentation/Web site management
>> as has Alex Wilms.
>> e) Jim Richardson has offered to head development.
>> f) Ron Shannon has offered operational support and has surplus storage
>> and bandwidth.
>> g) Ian Allen has offered to help code (He also has two ADSL lines so he
>> can test the Multi-ISP support in 2.3/2.4).
>>
>> I hope that I haven''t forgotten anyone -- If I have, please
speak up.
>
> I will continue my contributions to Shorewall by providing rpm packages
> tailored for RedHat/Fedora based distributions. The Shorewall rpms have
> quickly become the number one download at our site with some thousand
> downloads each month.
>
> Simon
>
> Hi All:
>
> I''m available to help beta test.
>
> Simon:
> I have used your rpms, they work great. What I see as one problem,
> is that while you have 2.2.X available, fedora extra still has only 1.4.8
> available to install. I know that shorewall is not aimed at the newbie,
> but how can "we" get this changed? That should cut down on the
number
> of "1.4.x problem reports" While on the subject of rpms, have you
The proper fix for this situation would be to get shorewall included into
Fedora Core or Extras, and I mean a current shorewall. Why is it still at
1.4.8?
> considered making a yum repo available for the shorewall package?
> This would help to stay current, and handle any dependency issues that
> may occur. To stay current, all you would need to do is add a
> shorewall.repo
> to /etc/yum.repos.d and when a "yum check-update'' is run the
shorewall
> repo is contacted to see if there is a newer version available. "yum
> update"
> would install any newer packages, if found. I have a mini repo setup for
> myself,
> works great. I can help out with the setup of the repo if needed. If this
> is
> workable, maybe add the shorewall.repo information to the rpm.
If there is no better solution, I''ll think about it.

Simon
> Just some thoughts.
>
> Jerry Vonau
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Shorewall-devel@lists.shorewall.net
> https://lists.shorewall.net/mailman/listinfo/shorewall-devel
>
>

> Simon:
> I have used your rpms, they work great. What I see as one problem,
> is that while you have 2.2.X available, fedora extra still has only
1.4.8
> available to install. I know that shorewall is not aimed at the
newbie,
> but how can "we" get this changed? That should cut down on the
number
> of "1.4.x problem reports" While on the subject of rpms, have you
The proper fix for this situation would be to get shorewall included
into
Fedora Core or Extras, and I mean a current shorewall. Why is it still
at
1.4.8?

Ok I see why, it''s listed on the orphaned page:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras_2fOrphanedPackages

Any takers?? If not I''ll give it a go.

Jerry

Paul,
I see Tom gave you admin rights on SF. Please, let me know if you need
help with anything.

        Project: Shoreline Firewall
        https://sourceforge.net/projects/shorewall

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Good luck for the future Tom, difficult to find anything else to say that
already has been said.
Thanks for all the help with those daft questions I often ask..
Richard

I can set-up a mirror in Italy at any time.

Regards,
Maurizio

Il giorno mer, 18-05-2005 alle 08:38 +0100, Keith Edmunds ha
scritto:
> Claas Langbehn wrote:
> > If the website cannot stay online, I would like to help to mirror it.
> 
> I too can offer a mirror, this one based in the UK.
> 
> Tom, you''ve done a fabulous job with Shorewall - you are one of
the
> stars of the Open Source community: thank you.
>

Mike Noyes wrote:
> Paul,
> I see Tom gave you admin rights on SF. Please, let me know if you need
> help with anything.
> 
>         Project: Shoreline Firewall
>         https://sourceforge.net/projects/shorewall
I think the main thing needed at the moment is to get CVS and the
mailing lists converted over.  Where do we start with that?

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Tom,

Great work, great product, immensely useful and well designed. Like Charles
said, it will not die. I reckon you set too high a standard for yourself
while judging yourself or being overly self-critical. We value what you have
given us. Wish you get back your life and happiness. You will be fondly
talked of for all that you have done for the community.

Regards
Mohan  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: leaf-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net 
> [mailto:leaf-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of 
> Simon Matter
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 11:59 PM
> To: Tom Eastep
> Cc: Shorewall Users; Shorewall Announcements; LEAF; 
> leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; Tarry Eastep
> Subject: [leaf-devel] Re: [Shorewall-announce] I quit.
> 
> > It is with regret that I announce that Shorewall development and 
> > support is officially ended.
> 
> Hi Tom,
> 
> All I can say is THANK YOU very much for all the hard work 
> you have put into Shorewall and it''s great documentation and 
> the best support I have seen in my life. I hope you will get 
> your life back and relax and enjoy.
> You really did so much for all of us.
> 
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On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 13:10, Paul Gear wrote:
> Mike Noyes wrote:
> > I see Tom gave you admin rights on SF. Please, let me know if you need
> > help with anything.
> > 
> >         Project: Shoreline Firewall
> >         https://sourceforge.net/projects/shorewall
> 
> I think the main thing needed at the moment is to get CVS and the
> mailing lists converted over.  Where do we start with that?
Paul,
CVS instructions are in the SF Site Docs.

        Introduction to SourceForge.net Project CVS Services for Developers
        Import of Existing CVS Repositories
       
https://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=768&group_id=1#existingcvsimport
        
I wasn''t able to locate the information on mailing list import. The SF
staff informed me they do offer mbox import as a service. You''ll need
to
open a SR with the SF staff once you have the mbox files.

        Google string: mailman mbox ~import

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Paul Gear wrote:
> Mike Noyes wrote:
>>Paul,
>>I see Tom gave you admin rights on SF. Please, let me know if you need
>>help with anything.
>>
>>        Project: Shoreline Firewall
>>        https://sourceforge.net/projects/shorewall
> 
> I think the main thing needed at the moment is to get CVS and the
> mailing lists converted over.  Where do we start with that?
> 
According to Cristian''s post this afternoon, he is willing to be
Webmaster (thanks, Cristian). So you might think about getting the web
site and rsync server moved first (you can always check the Website
changes into CVS after the fact). That way, Cristian can adjust links in
the web site as the other components move around. Cristian needs an
account on Sourceforge and needs to be given authority to update the site.

As for CVS and the mailing lists:

CVS: I can tar up the CVS directory and copy the tarball into SF at any
time that I get the word that folks are ready. I can commit my changes
into CVS over on SF as easily as I can to the local CVS. When CVS moves,
the CVS web interface needs to also move (or be deactivated).

Mailing Lists: I''m currently running a later version of Mailman than
are
SF. Mike tells me that SF are upgrading in the near future. Once they
have done so, it will be easier to do the move. When the mailing lists
move, the web site need to be updated to reflect the move. Just let me
know what I need to do here.

Just my $.02.

-Tom
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On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 14:38, Tom Eastep wrote:
> Mailing Lists: I''m currently running a later version of Mailman
than are
> SF. Mike tells me that SF are upgrading in the near future. Once they
> have done so, it will be easier to do the move. When the mailing lists
> move, the web site need to be updated to reflect the move. Just let me
> know what I need to do here.
Tom,
The issue becomes the SF meaning of "near future". How long are you
willing to maintain the mailing lists?


Strategic Projects ? Mailing List Service 
https://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?group_id=1&docid=2352

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Mike Noyes wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 14:38, Tom Eastep wrote:
>>Mailing Lists: I''m currently running a later version of Mailman
than are
>>SF. Mike tells me that SF are upgrading in the near future. Once they
>>have done so, it will be easier to do the move. When the mailing lists
>>move, the web site need to be updated to reflect the move. Just let me
>>know what I need to do here.
> 
> Tom,
> The issue becomes the SF meaning of "near future". How long are
you
> willing to maintain the mailing lists?
Maintaining the lists is pretty easy now that I got rid of htdig. I''ll
maintain them until SF upgrades.

-Tom
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Washington USA  \ teastep@shorewall.net
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Tom Eastep wrote:
> It is with regret that I announce that Shorewall development and support is
> officially ended.
Thank you Tom
Writing documentation ,help-ing users is the hard part of
open source projects . So few read the fine manual ...

http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/18/1245224

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Thanx Tom.

Anyway, I can host mailling list for shorewall (or forum) if you are 
interested.

Regards,
Sasa

2005/5/19, Sasa Stupar
<sasa@stupar.homelinux.net>:
> Thanx Tom.
> 
> Anyway, I can host mailling list for shorewall (or forum) if you are
> interested.
> 
> Regards,
> Sasa
> 
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> Post: Shorewall-users@lists.shorewall.net
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> Support: http://www.shorewall.net/support.htm
> FAQ: http://www.shorewall.net/FAQ.htm
> 
> 
> 
upps.-.. shorewall is /.ed  :P

Tom,

I want to thank you for all your work you''ve done in shorewall, the
most
powerful and flexible firewall.

if the site goes down i would like to help mirroring it in brazil.

best regards,
Paulo Cunha
Brazil

Interlize Internet
www.interlize.com.br

> Tom Eastep wrote:
> > It is with regret that I announce that Shorewall development and
support is
> > officially ended.
 
I''m stunned.
I''ve been using Shorewall since we got an ADSL connection, i.e.
February 2002,
to my almost entire satisfaction: How comforting it is to see the console filled
with dozens and dozens "DROP" messages as a response to the numerous
unwelcome
connections attempts. 
I had made a single try at "fwbuilder", but couldn''t make it
work; then I turned
to Shorewall, impressed by its very complete documentation.
So good it is that I never had to subscribe to the mailing list and request for
help (until just today, see my earlier, unrelated, post). In fact, I mostly
relied
on the examples contained in the config file themselves, and it just worked.

Sad and strange that no-one came to help you in your endeavour.
Could it be its very professionalism (documentation quality, timely release of
new features, in step with netfilter development); such that nobody imagined
that help was actually needed, until it was too late?
As Timothy pointed out in his slashdot post, it is very important to understand
how and why this happens to a FLOSS project. Once we know the answer, maybe we 
will be able to avoid such depressing outcomes.

I certainly understand how you can feel, having worked so hard for the community
and mostly receiving feedback only when something is going wrong or from someone
who needs still more, more than you can provide.

I wish you the best of luck in recovering your real life, and a nice lawn :-)

And I also hope that a rescue team will show up...


Best regards,
Gilles

P.S. I''d offer to help a little, but I''m not a security
expert, so I don''t know
     of what use I can be.

Gilles wrote:
>Sad and strange that no-one came to help you in your endeavour.
>Could it be its very professionalism (documentation quality, timely release
of
>new features, in step with netfilter development); such that nobody imagined
>that help was actually needed, until it was too late?
>  
>
I will second that. I have written and thanked Tom off-list already and 
mentioned this point a little. Shorewall works so well, so easily, is 
documented so very well, I never imagined that there was anything that I 
could do to make it even better! I now see there are some things that 
even I could help with be they however small. I apologized to him for 
that as well. I now see the toll it can take on a man to create 
something so complete. By that I mean all facets, the docs, the help, 
the examples, the mailing list, the actual code, the support lent, the 
fixes, and continued improvements.

I forget when, exactly, I stumbled upon Shorewall, not knowing how good 
it was, found it to work perfectly for my needs and never searched 
further ... I never knew how it stacked up against other packages 
attempting the same thing; I''ve come to see just how good it is though 
after learning enough to know.

I am sorry to see the toll it took on Tom, but I am delighted to see so 
many stepping up to ensure Shorewall moves ahead from its already great 
position and state.

I said it to him, but I''ll say it here again: Tom, thank you for 
Shorewall. It protected my network before I fully knew all of what it 
was doing or the work that went on to create it.

jib

Tom, 

I''m sorry to hear you leave Shorewall development.
I only want to say a BIG THANK YOU for all you have done,
your detailed documentation, your passionate support.

With all best wishes for you and your family.

Francesco Giudice
from Lecce, Italy

Hello Tom,

I''d like to thank you for all of your work you put into these code,
I thint shorewalll is the best firewall package I ever use - and not
only because the code but because of your person.

Take care of yourself

-- 
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 August

Alexander Wilms wrote:
> ...
> So I think he would like the idea of extending his collection of
international
> beers with the help of his users.
> Guys, I think it would be a nice (and practical - you all know, beer is 
> healthy :-) ) way to thank him for the last years of Shorewall development,
> all the high quality documentation and support. I guess it made live easier
> for many of us.
Tom told us recently that he''s gained 60 lbs since starting Shorewall.
I''m not sure more beer is a good idea!  ;-)

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Paul Gear wrote:
> 
> Tom told us recently that he''s gained 60 lbs since starting
Shorewall.
> I''m not sure more beer is a good idea!  ;-)
> 
Alex claims that beer is healthy and that, as a German, he is an expert
in such matters :-)

-Tom
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2005/5/23, Tom Eastep <teastep@shorewall.net>:
> Paul Gear wrote:
> 
> >
> > Tom told us recently that he''s gained 60 lbs since starting
Shorewall.
> > I''m not sure more beer is a good idea!  ;-)
> >
> 
> Alex claims that beer is healthy and that, as a German, he is an expert
> in such matters :-)
> 
> -Tom
> --
do you like wine Tom?

Maybe I can send you some Chilean wine (pretty good one..:) )

Cristian Rodriguez wrote:
> 
> do you like wine Tom?
> 
> Maybe I can send you some Chilean wine (pretty good one..:) )
Yes, I do like wine; and I particularly like Chilean wine although we
don''t have a large selection available here.

-Tom
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Washington USA  \ teastep@shorewall.net
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On Monday 23 May 2005 22:41, Paul Gear wrote:
> Alexander Wilms wrote:
> > ...
> > So I think he would like the idea of extending his collection of
> > international beers with the help of his users.
> > Guys, I think it would be a nice (and practical - you all know, beer
is
> > healthy :-) ) way to thank him for the last years of Shorewall
> > development, all the high quality documentation and support. I guess
it
> > made live easier for many of us.
>
> Tom told us recently that he''s gained 60 lbs since starting
Shorewall.
> I''m not sure more beer is a good idea!  ;-)
OK, so don''t send a barrel, some exclusive bottles are enough :-)

Alexander Wilms wrote:
> On Monday 23 May 2005 22:41, Paul Gear wrote:
>>Tom told us recently that he''s gained 60 lbs since starting
Shorewall.
>>I''m not sure more beer is a good idea!  ;-)
> 
> OK, so don''t send a barrel, some exclusive bottles are enough :-)
>
The Australian beers that I am familiar with are only available in cans
that are the size of small barrels :-)

-Tom
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Washington USA  \ teastep@shorewall.net
PGP Public Key   \ https://lists.shorewall.net/teastep.pgp.key

>So I decided to send him some variants of German beer. I think he liked it,
so
>he send me this link today: 
>
>http://shorewall.net/images/Bier.jpg
>  
>
This reminds me of an old joke of a friend from my former studies abroad:

Person1: Do you like see fish?
Person2: sure
Person1: well, I like to eat it!

I hope you get it :)

On Mon, 2005-05-23 at 15:34, Tom Eastep wrote:
> Alexander Wilms wrote:
> > OK, so don''t send a barrel, some exclusive bottles are enough
:-)
> 
> The Australian beers that I am familiar with are only available in cans
> that are the size of small barrels :-)
Great American Beer Festival
http://www.beertown.org/events/gabf/04winners.htm

AIBA 2004 Winners
http://www.beerawards.com/pdfs/2004results.pdf

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Hi Folks,

this is quite OT for a firewall users/devel list, but probably you like this 
idea.

Around 2 month ago Tom helped me with a - at least for me - mythical problem 
in my company''s network. With his patience, knowledge and some
"network
magic" he could solve my problems within minutes. (Erghh, I was searching
for
a solution a full day long. And this wasn''t the first time he helped me
personally. I asked him if he likes beer and the answer was a short and 
clear: Yep!

So I decided to send him some variants of German beer. I think he liked it, so 
he send me this link today: 

http://shorewall.net/images/Bier.jpg

So I think he would like the idea of extending his collection of international 
beers with the help of his users.
Guys, I think it would be a nice (and practical - you all know, beer is 
healthy :-) ) way to thank him for the last years of Shorewall development, 
all the high quality documentation and support. I guess it made live easier 
for many of us.

Those of you who think that this is a nice idea can contact me privately by 
mail and I will give you Tom''s snail mail address. 
Those who prefer the networkers style: "whois shorewall.net" :-)

I hope many of you will contribute to pay a bit back to him what he gave to 
us.

Thank you,
Alexander Wilms
alex.wilms@adminguru.org

Mike Noyes wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-05-23 at 15:34, Tom Eastep wrote:
>>Alexander Wilms wrote:
>>>OK, so don''t send a barrel, some exclusive bottles are
enough :-)
>>The Australian beers that I am familiar with are only available in cans
>>that are the size of small barrels :-)
> 
> Great American Beer Festival
> http://www.beertown.org/events/gabf/04winners.htm
> 
> AIBA 2004 Winners
> http://www.beerawards.com/pdfs/2004results.pdf
> 
Good to see that my favorite Brewery (Deschutes Brewery) did well. Their
"Black Butte Porter" is my favorite beer.

"Black Butte" is a cinder cone (small volcano) near US hiway 97 on the
outskirts of Bend, Oregon which is where the brewery is located.

-Tom
-- 
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Shoreline,     \ http://shorewall.net
Washington USA  \ teastep@shorewall.net
PGP Public Key   \ https://lists.shorewall.net/teastep.pgp.key

Hello,

Egypt Beers is ready
please advise, and I will ship him some Egyptian Souveniers as well

Thank you for the idea

Kind Regards
Samer

>From: Alexander Wilms <alex.wilms@adminguru.org>
>Reply-To: Mailing List for Shorewall 
>Users<shorewall-users@lists.shorewall.net>
>To: Mailing List for Shorewall Users
<shorewall-users@lists.shorewall.net>
>CC: Shorewall Development Mailing List 
><shorewall-devel@lists.shorewall.net>
>Subject: [Shorewall-users] A Gift for Tom - Send him your local beers
>Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 20:35:20 +0200
>
>Hi Folks,
>
>this is quite OT for a firewall users/devel list, but probably you like 
>this
>idea.
>
>Around 2 month ago Tom helped me with a - at least for me - mythical 
>problem
>in my company''s network. With his patience, knowledge and some
"network
>magic" he could solve my problems within minutes. (Erghh, I was
searching
>for
>a solution a full day long. And this wasn''t the first time he
helped me
>personally. I asked him if he likes beer and the answer was a short and
>clear: Yep!
>
>So I decided to send him some variants of German beer. I think he liked it, 
>so
>he send me this link today:
>
>http://shorewall.net/images/Bier.jpg
>
>So I think he would like the idea of extending his collection of 
>international
>beers with the help of his users.
>Guys, I think it would be a nice (and practical - you all know, beer is
>healthy :-) ) way to thank him for the last years of Shorewall development,
>all the high quality documentation and support. I guess it made live easier
>for many of us.
>
>Those of you who think that this is a nice idea can contact me privately by
>mail and I will give you Tom''s snail mail address.
>Those who prefer the networkers style: "whois shorewall.net" :-)
>
>I hope many of you will contribute to pay a bit back to him what he gave to
>us.
>
>Thank you,
>Alexander Wilms
>alex.wilms@adminguru.org
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While I think sending Tom a gift is a great idea, let''s not forget  
that the man wants to lose 60 pounds NOT gain an addition 50 lbs.

Perhaps some people can send him some light beer.


Cheers,
   Matthew


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On May 24, 2005, at 8:51 AM, samer Y. Azmy wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Egypt Beers is ready
> please advise, and I will ship him some Egyptian Souveniers as well
>
> Thank you for the idea
>
> Kind Regards
> Samer
>
>
>
>> From: Alexander Wilms <alex.wilms@adminguru.org>
>> Reply-To: Mailing List for Shorewall Users<shorewall- 
>> users@lists.shorewall.net>
>> To: Mailing List for Shorewall Users <shorewall- 
>> users@lists.shorewall.net>
>> CC: Shorewall Development Mailing List <shorewall- 
>> devel@lists.shorewall.net>
>> Subject: [Shorewall-users] A Gift for Tom - Send him your local beers
>> Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 20:35:20 +0200
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> this is quite OT for a firewall users/devel list, but probably you  
>> like this
>> idea.
>>
>> Around 2 month ago Tom helped me with a - at least for me -  
>> mythical problem
>> in my company''s network. With his patience, knowledge and some
>> "network
>> magic" he could solve my problems within minutes. (Erghh, I was  
>> searching for
>> a solution a full day long. And this wasn''t the first time he
>> helped me
>> personally. I asked him if he likes beer and the answer was a  
>> short and
>> clear: Yep!
>>
>> So I decided to send him some variants of German beer. I think he  
>> liked it, so
>> he send me this link today:
>>
>> http://shorewall.net/images/Bier.jpg
>>
>> So I think he would like the idea of extending his collection of  
>> international
>> beers with the help of his users.
>> Guys, I think it would be a nice (and practical - you all know,  
>> beer is
>> healthy :-) ) way to thank him for the last years of Shorewall  
>> development,
>> all the high quality documentation and support. I guess it made  
>> live easier
>> for many of us.
>>
>> Those of you who think that this is a nice idea can contact me  
>> privately by
>> mail and I will give you Tom''s snail mail address.
>> Those who prefer the networkers style: "whois shorewall.net"
:-)
>>
>> I hope many of you will contribute to pay a bit back to him what  
>> he gave to
>> us.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Alexander Wilms
>> alex.wilms@adminguru.org
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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Matthew E. Porter wrote:
> While I think sending Tom a gift is a great idea, let''s not forget
> that the man wants to lose 60 pounds
That wasn''t what he said. He said he had gained 60lbs since starting 
Shorewall, but he left to speculation whether that was a complaint, a 
boast, a desire to lose or half way to his target of gaining 120lbs.
I''m
sure someone as dedicated as Tom will have the willpower to keep the 
beer until "later" if that''s the right thing to do.

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Yes, and take a look at Tom''s answer that he gave to Paul Gear
yesterday ;-)
Tom knew that I will start this thread and he liked the idea. So please 
don''t discuss more about his weight, or he will fall into depression
;-).

Just send him beer, as said: It''s healthy :-)

Alexander Wilms

Keith Edmunds wrote:
> Matthew E. Porter wrote:
>
>> While I think sending Tom a gift is a great idea, let''s not
forget
>> that the man wants to lose 60 pounds
>
>
> That wasn''t what he said. He said he had gained 60lbs since
starting
> Shorewall, but he left to speculation whether that was a complaint, a 
> boast, a desire to lose or half way to his target of gaining 120lbs. 
> I''m sure someone as dedicated as Tom will have the willpower to
keep
> the beer until "later" if that''s the right thing to do.
>

On Mon, 2005-05-23 at 13:48 -0700, Tom Eastep wrote:
> Paul Gear wrote:
> 
> > Tom told us recently that he''s gained 60 lbs since starting
Shorewall.
> > I''m not sure more beer is a good idea!  ;-)
> 
> Alex claims that beer is healthy and that, as a German, he is an expert
> in such matters :-)
Yes, we are. ;)  [1]

And I really like that idea. Tom, you''ll get another parcel from
Germany. But please take my advice: Don''t drink too much different
beers
on one evening. Taste one or two different ones, and resort to your
preferred brewery after that... [2]

 karsten


[1] Not sure, if I should mention this, but... Back a couple of years I
collected beers -- from Germany and all over the world. Of course I
tasted every single beer, and although I didn''t take notes I still
remember most facts and the taste of those beers. The collection is
discontinued for quite some time now, but I still have every single
bottle on shelfs or stored in boxes -- about 1100 of ''em.

[2] Together with a friend I once tasted a couple of beers (about 16,
IIRC) one evening. Although we didn''t drink a lot (I got every bottle
only once), the mixing resulted in a *major* headache the next day...


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Seems that Germans are really the beer nation, because I got most of the 
positive responses from Germans.

Please guys, let''s show Tom the wide variety of our world''s
beers.

Thank you Karsten for supporting the idea!

Alex

On Wednesday 25 May 2005 14:55, Karsten Br?ckelmann
wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-05-23 at 13:48 -0700, Tom Eastep wrote:
> > Paul Gear wrote:
> > > Tom told us recently that he''s gained 60 lbs since
starting Shorewall.
> > > I''m not sure more beer is a good idea!  ;-)
> >
> > Alex claims that beer is healthy and that, as a German, he is an
expert
> > in such matters :-)
>
> Yes, we are. ;)  [1]
>
> And I really like that idea. Tom, you''ll get another parcel from
> Germany. But please take my advice: Don''t drink too much different
beers
> on one evening. Taste one or two different ones, and resort to your
> preferred brewery after that... [2]
>
>  karsten
>
>
> [1] Not sure, if I should mention this, but... Back a couple of years I
> collected beers -- from Germany and all over the world. Of course I
> tasted every single beer, and although I didn''t take notes I still
> remember most facts and the taste of those beers. The collection is
> discontinued for quite some time now, but I still have every single
> bottle on shelfs or stored in boxes -- about 1100 of ''em.
>
> [2] Together with a friend I once tasted a couple of beers (about 16,
> IIRC) one evening. Although we didn''t drink a lot (I got every
bottle
> only once), the mixing resulted in a *major* headache the next day...