CentOS - Jan 2016 - Just need to vent

On Mon, 2016-01-25 at 16:53 +0000, Richard Mann wrote:
> > 
> > Complaining on the CentOS list is probably not that productive,
though.
> > 
> 
> +1.  To be constructive, the criticism would need to be done ELSEWHERE.  On
this list, it is just whining.
It's not complaining. It's discussion.

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 11:53:27AM +0000, Peter Duffy
wrote:
> It's not complaining. It's discussion. 
Discuss it all you like.  But "constructive criticism" (used earlier)
isn't terribly useful on the CentOS list, because CentOS has very
little control over the implementation of init systems or desktop
environments.  I'm probably the 123123th person on the list to say
this, but if you want a hand in the direction CentOS goes, get
involved in Fedora.

-- 
Jonathan Billings <billings at negate.org>

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 08:43:46AM -0500, Jonathan Billings
wrote:
> Discuss it all you like.  But "constructive criticism" (used
earlier)
> isn't terribly useful on the CentOS list, because CentOS has very
> little control over the implementation of init systems or desktop
> environments.  I'm probably the 123123th person on the list to say
> this, but if you want a hand in the direction CentOS goes, get
> involved in Fedora.
Definitely. But please don't show up ranting about systemd unless you
genuinely have something new and insightful to add. We have literally
been discussing moving to an improved init system since 2005:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel at
lists.fedoraproject.org/message/Y6PUIY3HOPVKA5IUJQ5TL6WAVTE3G4KY/
and in that decade, pretty much everything to be said _has_ been said
and considered. That is, we've *been through* the independent analysis
of systemd.


-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm at fedoraproject.org>
Fedora Project Leader