On Thu, October 22, 2015 17:25, Valeri Galtsev wrote:> . . . Still, disregarding the part some of us dislike personally > (plus often reboots necessary to install some vital updates > - which all Linuxes are prone to beginning somewhere around > 2.6 kernel) . . .I am glad to discover that I am not losing my mind. I too have been rather dismayed at the perceived increase in frequency with which I must reboot my servers. I wondered whether this was simply a misconception on my part or an actual change in the environment. Apparently it is the later. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB at Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3
James B. Byrne wrote:> > On Thu, October 22, 2015 17:25, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> . . . Still, disregarding the part some of us dislike personally >> (plus often reboots necessary to install some vital updates >> - which all Linuxes are prone to beginning somewhere around >> 2.6 kernel) . . . > > I am glad to discover that I am not losing my mind. I too have been > rather dismayed at the perceived increase in frequency with which I > must reboot my servers. I wondered whether this was simply a > misconception on my part or an actual change in the environment. > > Apparently it is the later.So systemd moves Linux to more resemble Windows? mark
On Fri, October 23, 2015 8:46 am, m.roth at 5-cent.us wrote:> James B. Byrne wrote: >> >> On Thu, October 22, 2015 17:25, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >>> . . . Still, disregarding the part some of us dislike personally >>> (plus often reboots necessary to install some vital updates >>> - which all Linuxes are prone to beginning somewhere around >>> 2.6 kernel) . . . >> >> I am glad to discover that I am not losing my mind. I too have been >> rather dismayed at the perceived increase in frequency with which I >> must reboot my servers. I wondered whether this was simply a >> misconception on my part or an actual change in the environment. >> >> Apparently it is the later. > > So systemd moves Linux to more resemble Windows? >I regret James cut out positive part I said - about great job both RH and CentOS teams are doing! But coming back to negative part (which is about almost any Linux distribution). These often reboots started in my recollection around 2.6 kernel which is long ago. Already then one of my friends started calling Linux "Lindoze" apparently stressing you need to reboot it often, like MS Windows. I would suggest to take his label with a grain of salt, as he is the one who also used funny name for another well known system, after Oracle bough out Sun Microsystems he called Sun-Oracle "snorkel" (as if you pronounce it awfully fast). This was what made first step to "similarity" at least in one respect of Linux to MS Windows. Is systemd yet another step? No comment from me, as at some point I decided to not be on any side of apparently awfully polarized on this issue community. ;-) Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On Oct 23, 2015, at 9:46 AM, m.roth at 5-cent.us wrote:> James B. Byrne wrote: >> >> I am glad to discover that I am not losing my mind. I too have been >> rather dismayed at the perceived increase in frequency with which I >> must reboot my servers. I wondered whether this was simply a >> misconception on my part or an actual change in the environment. >> >> Apparently it is the later. > > So systemd moves Linux to more resemble Windows?No. If anything, systemd handles upgrades better than SysV init, since it handles re-execing better. Please stop spreading FUD. Most likely the glibc and openssl updates are what people are talking about. Doesn?t require a reboot, just restarting all the services that might have those libraries loaded. -- Jonathan Billings <billings at negate.org>