CentOS - Apr 2015 - CentOS 7.1 user login screen can't scroll up/down

On Thu, April 9, 2015 13:12, zep wrote:
> frankly, this blows my mind.   not long ago there was a huge kerfuffle
> over the change to only allow (as someone defined it 'secure')
certain
> passwords, requiring numbers, special characters, some minimum length
> and that -had to be done- because people didn't use proper passwords
> and couldn't be trusted to just use what was appropriate/correct
> for their environment.
>
> now a completely reverse the position, plain text showing user names
> to the world (which has always been considered to be poor security
> at best) is just 'yeah, whatever you feel like doing.   go ahead.'
>
User interface decisions are never driven by security.  If security is
mentioned then it is used as a fig-leaf to shut down dissent.

Security when applied to these sorts of decisions is the patriotism of
the FOSS world.  The last refuge of scoundrels who have no desire to
admit error and wish no discomfort from making any.

The actual reasons for change usually come down to the aesthetic
values of a small group of developers, or often a single individual,
with the power to impose their vision on the rest of humanity.  And
the desire to do so.  I cannot imagine why. . .

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On Fri, 2015-04-10 at 09:07 -0400, James B. Byrne wrote:
> On Thu, April 9, 2015 13:12, zep wrote:
> 
> > frankly, this blows my mind.   not long ago there was a huge kerfuffle
> > over the change to only allow (as someone defined it 'secure')
certain
> > passwords, requiring numbers, special characters, some minimum length
> > and that -had to be done- because people didn't use proper
passwords
> > and couldn't be trusted to just use what was appropriate/correct
> > for their environment.
> >
> > now a completely reverse the position, plain text showing user names
> > to the world (which has always been considered to be poor security
> > at best) is just 'yeah, whatever you feel like doing.   go
ahead.'
> User interface decisions are never driven by security.  If security is
> mentioned then it is used as a fig-leaf to shut down dissent.
> 
> Security when applied to these sorts of decisions is the patriotism of
> the FOSS world.  The last refuge of scoundrels who have no desire to
> admit error and wish no discomfort from making any.
> 
> The actual reasons for change usually come down to the aesthetic
> values of a small group of developers, or often a single individual,
> with the power to impose their vision on the rest of humanity.  And
> the desire to do so.  I cannot imagine why. . .
Seems RH, intoxicated by Fedora's wildest screwballs, has started to
loose its purpose and its sense of direction. The constant problems with
C7 updates is a nightmare for some dedicated Centos fans.


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On Apr 10, 2015, at 10:00 PM, Always Learning <centos at u64.u22.net>
wrote:
> Seems RH, intoxicated by Fedora's wildest screwballs, has started to
> loose its purpose and its sense of direction. 
This is just absurd.

Fedora and Red Hat are just using Gnome?s default settings for the user list. 
Red Hat even documents how to change it.  I?d hardly call this some sort of
?loss of direction?.  A distro makes choices and if you disagree with them, that
doesn?t always mean that they?re screwballs.
> The constant problems with
> C7 updates is a nightmare for some dedicated Centos fans.
Constant problem?  You mean the first point release?  I agree that there have
been problems, but I?m not seeing a nightmare for most people.  A lot of bugs
are being shaken out from the initial release, so I?m not terribly surprised to
see significant changes introduced in 7.1503.



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