http://apress.com/book/view/9781590597811 I acquired this book and it has the info I thought I wanted; but, I''m not sure. Is there something better more current out there? RESTful oath openid etc.. I''m coming from a wordpress to cake, codeigniter tinkering and forget why I tried rails; but, it seems pretty cool and intuitive. Appreciate the Capistrano rec prior. Super good, like a dream come true. Was able to deploy wp with it. Also Would you all recommend aptana radRails? I''m using vim & gEdit..they seem fitting. Thoughts please. Thank you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
On Jul 6, 8:41 am, Angel Robert Marquez <angel.marq...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> http://apress.com/book/view/9781590597811 > > I acquired this book and it has the info I thought I wanted; but, I''m not > sure. >Well it does look a bit long in the tooth - The publication date is given as oct 2007, shortly before the release of rails 2.0 and quite a lot has changed since then Fred> Is there something better more current out there? RESTful oath openid etc.. > > I''m coming from a wordpress to cake, codeigniter tinkering and forget why I > tried rails; but, it seems pretty cool and intuitive. > > Appreciate the Capistrano rec prior. Super good, like a dream come true. Was > able to deploy wp with it. > > Also > > Would you all recommend aptana radRails? > > I''m using vim & gEdit..they seem fitting. > > Thoughts please. > > Thank you.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
I know, I didn''t notice the date until..now. Good thing I didn''t pay for it; but, it was new on the shelf at the bookstore. Mislead. Capistrano deployment should vaporize all unnecessary literature on the shelfs as well... That would be nice if you could link the iPad or any and all other docs..so many ancient relics out their to sift through. Any baby teeth recommendations for an eager beaver? I''m willing to learn and not looking to take over. On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 12:47 AM, Frederick Cheung < frederick.cheung-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > On Jul 6, 8:41 am, Angel Robert Marquez <angel.marq...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> > wrote: > > http://apress.com/book/view/9781590597811 > > > > I acquired this book and it has the info I thought I wanted; but, I''m not > > sure. > > > > Well it does look a bit long in the tooth - The publication date is > given as oct 2007, shortly before the release of rails 2.0 and quite a > lot has changed since then > > Fred > > Is there something better more current out there? RESTful oath openid > etc.. > > > > I''m coming from a wordpress to cake, codeigniter tinkering and forget why > I > > tried rails; but, it seems pretty cool and intuitive. > > > > Appreciate the Capistrano rec prior. Super good, like a dream come true. > Was > > able to deploy wp with it. > > > > Also > > > > Would you all recommend aptana radRails? > > > > I''m using vim & gEdit..they seem fitting. > > > > Thoughts please. > > > > Thank you. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org<rubyonrails-talk%2Bunsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. > >-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
This was actually the book I have: http://apress.com/book/view/1590599942 On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 12:57 AM, Angel Robert Marquez < angel.marquez-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I know, I didn''t notice the date until..now. > > Good thing I didn''t pay for it; but, it was new on the shelf at the > bookstore. Mislead. Capistrano deployment should vaporize > all unnecessary literature on the shelfs as well... > > That would be nice if you could link the iPad or any and all other docs..so > many ancient relics out their to sift through. > > Any baby teeth recommendations for an eager beaver? I''m willing to learn > and not looking to take over. > > > On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 12:47 AM, Frederick Cheung < > frederick.cheung-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > >> >> >> On Jul 6, 8:41 am, Angel Robert Marquez <angel.marq...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> >> wrote: >> > http://apress.com/book/view/9781590597811 >> > >> > I acquired this book and it has the info I thought I wanted; but, I''m >> not >> > sure. >> > >> >> Well it does look a bit long in the tooth - The publication date is >> given as oct 2007, shortly before the release of rails 2.0 and quite a >> lot has changed since then >> >> Fred >> > Is there something better more current out there? RESTful oath openid >> etc.. >> > >> > I''m coming from a wordpress to cake, codeigniter tinkering and forget >> why I >> > tried rails; but, it seems pretty cool and intuitive. >> > >> > Appreciate the Capistrano rec prior. Super good, like a dream come true. >> Was >> > able to deploy wp with it. >> > >> > Also >> > >> > Would you all recommend aptana radRails? >> > >> > I''m using vim & gEdit..they seem fitting. >> > >> > Thoughts please. >> > >> > Thank you. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org<rubyonrails-talk%2Bunsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. >> >> >-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
The "classic" book for learning rails is "Agile Web Development with Rails", now in its fourth edition: http://www.pragprog.com/titles/rails4/agile-web-development-with-rails On 6 jul, 09:19, Angel Robert Marquez <angel.marq...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> This was actually the book I have:http://apress.com/book/view/1590599942 > > On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 12:57 AM, Angel Robert Marquez < > > > > angel.marq...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > I know, I didn''t notice the date until..now. > > > Good thing I didn''t pay for it; but, it was new on the shelf at the > > bookstore. Mislead. Capistrano deployment should vaporize > > all unnecessary literature on the shelfs as well... > > > That would be nice if you could link the iPad or any and all other docs..so > > many ancient relics out their to sift through. > > > Any baby teeth recommendations for an eager beaver? I''m willing to learn > > and not looking to take over. > > > On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 12:47 AM, Frederick Cheung < > > frederick.che...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > >> On Jul 6, 8:41 am, Angel Robert Marquez <angel.marq...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> > >> wrote: > >> >http://apress.com/book/view/9781590597811 > > >> > I acquired this book and it has the info I thought I wanted; but, I''m > >> not > >> > sure. > > >> Well it does look a bit long in the tooth - The publication date is > >> given as oct 2007, shortly before the release of rails 2.0 and quite a > >> lot has changed since then > > >> Fred > >> > Is there something better more current out there? RESTful oath openid > >> etc.. > > >> > I''m coming from a wordpress to cake, codeigniter tinkering and forget > >> why I > >> > tried rails; but, it seems pretty cool and intuitive. > > >> > Appreciate the Capistrano rec prior. Super good, like a dream come true. > >> Was > >> > able to deploy wp with it. > > >> > Also > > >> > Would you all recommend aptana radRails? > > >> > I''m using vim & gEdit..they seem fitting. > > >> > Thoughts please. > > >> > Thank you. > > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org<rubyonrails-talk%2Bunsubscrib e@googlegroups.com> > >> . > >> For more options, visit this group at > >>http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Thank you, appreciate it. I''ll read along, I just installed 3.0 and 1.9 That took some doing as well. On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Eddy Josafat <eddyjosafat-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> The "classic" book for learning rails is "Agile Web Development with > Rails", now in its fourth edition: > > http://www.pragprog.com/titles/rails4/agile-web-development-with-rails > > On 6 jul, 09:19, Angel Robert Marquez <angel.marq...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > This was actually the book I have:http://apress.com/book/view/1590599942 > > > > On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 12:57 AM, Angel Robert Marquez < > > > > > > > > angel.marq...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > I know, I didn''t notice the date until..now. > > > > > Good thing I didn''t pay for it; but, it was new on the shelf at the > > > bookstore. Mislead. Capistrano deployment should vaporize > > > all unnecessary literature on the shelfs as well... > > > > > That would be nice if you could link the iPad or any and all other > docs..so > > > many ancient relics out their to sift through. > > > > > Any baby teeth recommendations for an eager beaver? I''m willing to > learn > > > and not looking to take over. > > > > > On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 12:47 AM, Frederick Cheung < > > > frederick.che...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > >> On Jul 6, 8:41 am, Angel Robert Marquez <angel.marq...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> > > >> wrote: > > >> >http://apress.com/book/view/9781590597811 > > > > >> > I acquired this book and it has the info I thought I wanted; but, > I''m > > >> not > > >> > sure. > > > > >> Well it does look a bit long in the tooth - The publication date is > > >> given as oct 2007, shortly before the release of rails 2.0 and quite a > > >> lot has changed since then > > > > >> Fred > > >> > Is there something better more current out there? RESTful oath > openid > > >> etc.. > > > > >> > I''m coming from a wordpress to cake, codeigniter tinkering and > forget > > >> why I > > >> > tried rails; but, it seems pretty cool and intuitive. > > > > >> > Appreciate the Capistrano rec prior. Super good, like a dream come > true. > > >> Was > > >> > able to deploy wp with it. > > > > >> > Also > > > > >> > Would you all recommend aptana radRails? > > > > >> > I''m using vim & gEdit..they seem fitting. > > > > >> > Thoughts please. > > > > >> > Thank you. > > > > >> -- > > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > >> "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > > >> To post to this group, send email to > rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >> rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org<rubyonrails-talk%2Bunsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org><rubyonrails-talk%2Bunsubscrib > e@googlegroups.com> > > >> . > > >> For more options, visit this group at > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org<rubyonrails-talk%2Bunsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. > >-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Angel Marquez wrote: [...]> Would you all recommend aptana radRails?No. Rails doesn''t benefit from the use of an IDE. Just use a good text editor.> > I''m using vim & gEdit..they seem fitting.Yeah, that may be better. Personally, I''m fond of KomodoEdit.> > Thoughts please. > > Thank you.<standard-newbie-questions> You are using test-first development and version control, right? </standard-newbie-questions> Best, -- Marnen Laibow-Koser http://www.marnen.org marnen-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
I really liked "Simply Rails 2" by Patrick Lenz. It''s the only rails book where I went through all the code examples. As far as an IDE goes - I like Netbeans. You can code with a simple editor but nothing beats the view Netbeans gives you. On Jul 6, 4:11 pm, Marnen Laibow-Koser <li...-fsXkhYbjdPsEEoCn2XhGlw@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Angel Marquez wrote: > > [...] > > > Would you all recommend aptana radRails? > > No. Rails doesn''t benefit from the use of an IDE. Just use a good text > editor. > > > > > I''m using vim & gEdit..they seem fitting. > > Yeah, that may be better. Personally, I''m fond of KomodoEdit. > > > > > Thoughts please. > > > Thank you. > > <standard-newbie-questions> > You are using test-first development and version control, right? > </standard-newbie-questions> > > Best, > -- > Marnen Laibow-Koserhttp://www.marnen.org > mar...-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org > -- > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Bb Serviss wrote:> I really liked "Simply Rails 2" by Patrick Lenz. It''s the only rails > book where I went through all the code examples.I haven''t read that book, but based on all the technical errors in another one of Patrick''s Rails books (Building Your Own RoR Web Applications), I''d tend to steer well clear of any of his Rails writing.> > As far as an IDE goes - I like Netbeans. You can code with a simple > editor but nothing beats the view Netbeans gives you.NetBeans is a great IDE, but I do not believe it offers any advantage at all for Rails development (I use it for other stuff). What do you mean by "the view NetBeans gives you"? Best, -- Marnen Laibow-Koser http://www.marnen.org marnen-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org Sent from my iPhone -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
i'' On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser <lists-fsXkhYbjdPsEEoCn2XhGlw@public.gmane.org>wrote:> Bb Serviss wrote: > > I really liked "Simply Rails 2" by Patrick Lenz. It''s the only rails > > book where I went through all the code examples. > > I haven''t read that book, but based on all the technical errors in > another one of Patrick''s Rails books (Building Your Own RoR Web > Applications), I''d tend to steer well clear of any of his Rails writing. > > > > As far as an IDE goes - I like Netbeans. You can code with a simple > > editor but nothing beats the view Netbeans gives you. > > NetBeans is a great IDE, but I do not believe it offers any advantage at > all for Rails development (I use it for other stuff). What do you mean > by "the view NetBeans gives you"? > > Best, > -- > Marnen Laibow-Koser > http://www.marnen.org > marnen-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org > > Sent from my iPhone > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org<rubyonrails-talk%2Bunsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. > >-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Sorry but the advice to "don''t use an IDE because Rails doesn''t need one" is as dated as this book. Today''s IDEs give you significant advantages over a text editor, to name but a few: Visual debugging. No Rails configuration required, already understands the Rails structure for easy navigation. Integration with Rspec et al; run tests with a click, visual debug again, etc. Integration with Git; browse your changes, 1-click to diff, etc. Netbeans is good I agree (plus has an awesome flawless Vim plugin), but I now use RubyMine which is better (although the Vim plugin blows), but it''s not free though. On Jul 6, 7:16 pm, Marnen Laibow-Koser <li...-fsXkhYbjdPsEEoCn2XhGlw@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Bb Serviss wrote: > > I really liked "Simply Rails 2" by Patrick Lenz. It''s the only rails > > book where I went through all the code examples. > > I haven''t read that book, but based on all the technical errors in > another one of Patrick''s Rails books (Building Your Own RoR Web > Applications), I''d tend to steer well clear of any of his Rails writing. > > > > > As far as an IDE goes - I like Netbeans. You can code with a simple > > editor but nothing beats the view Netbeans gives you. > > NetBeans is a great IDE, but I do not believe it offers any advantage at > all for Rails development (I use it for other stuff). What do you mean > by "the view NetBeans gives you"? > > Best, > -- > Marnen Laibow-Koserhttp://www.marnen.org > mar...-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org > > Sent from my iPhone > -- > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
I don''t know man. I used to work with these two dev guys that would debate constantly over cygwin and eclipse. Personally at the time (bout a year ago) I used both for whatever worked best for my understanding at the time. I do find myself leaning towards the command line more these days. The only reason I like gEdit opposed to vim is because of the file browser side pane. But, to each his own. I prefer IDEs like training wheels. They help me understand concepts more easily. The terminal with a semi transparent background is looking pretty slick and not very cluttered on F13. The only real problems I''m running into are compatibility issues and I don''t think either the cl or the IDE would remedy those more favorably. i''ll check out rubymine. I like looking at different UI designs for this stuff anyways and can use without marrying. danka! On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Ginty <stephen.f.mcginty-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Sorry but the advice to "don''t use an IDE because Rails doesn''t need > one" is as dated as this book. > > Today''s IDEs give you significant advantages over a text editor, to > name but a few: > > Visual debugging. > No Rails configuration required, already understands the Rails > structure for easy navigation. > Integration with Rspec et al; run tests with a click, visual debug > again, etc. > Integration with Git; browse your changes, 1-click to diff, etc. > > Netbeans is good I agree (plus has an awesome flawless Vim plugin), > but I now use RubyMine which is better (although the Vim plugin > blows), but it''s not free though. > > On Jul 6, 7:16 pm, Marnen Laibow-Koser <li...-fsXkhYbjdPsEEoCn2XhGlw@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > Bb Serviss wrote: > > > I really liked "Simply Rails 2" by Patrick Lenz. It''s the only rails > > > book where I went through all the code examples. > > > > I haven''t read that book, but based on all the technical errors in > > another one of Patrick''s Rails books (Building Your Own RoR Web > > Applications), I''d tend to steer well clear of any of his Rails writing. > > > > > > > > > As far as an IDE goes - I like Netbeans. You can code with a simple > > > editor but nothing beats the view Netbeans gives you. > > > > NetBeans is a great IDE, but I do not believe it offers any advantage at > > all for Rails development (I use it for other stuff). What do you mean > > by "the view NetBeans gives you"? > > > > Best, > > -- > > Marnen Laibow-Koserhttp://www.marnen.org > > mar...-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org<rubyonrails-talk%2Bunsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. > >-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
I agree the file browser side pane is nice. If you like Vim and just want a side pane then go for Netbeans with the Vim plugin: http://jvi.sourceforge.net/ It works 100% like regular Vim, quite amazing how good it is actually. On Jul 6, 9:37 pm, Angel Robert Marquez <angel.marq...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I don''t know man. I used to work with these two dev guys that would debate > constantly over cygwin and eclipse. Personally at the time (bout a year ago) > I used both for whatever worked best for my understanding at the time. I do > find myself leaning towards the command line more these days. The only > reason I like gEdit opposed to vim is because of the file browser side pane. > But, to each his own. I prefer IDEs like training wheels. They help me > understand concepts more easily. The terminal with a semi transparent > background is looking pretty slick and not very cluttered on F13. The only > real problems I''m running into are compatibility issues and I don''t think > either the cl or the IDE would remedy those more favorably. > > i''ll check out rubymine. I like looking at different UI designs for this > stuff anyways and can use without marrying. > > danka! > > On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Ginty <stephen.f.mcgi...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > Sorry but the advice to "don''t use an IDE because Rails doesn''t need > > one" is as dated as this book. > > > Today''s IDEs give you significant advantages over a text editor, to > > name but a few: > > > Visual debugging. > > No Rails configuration required, already understands the Rails > > structure for easy navigation. > > Integration with Rspec et al; run tests with a click, visual debug > > again, etc. > > Integration with Git; browse your changes, 1-click to diff, etc. > > > Netbeans is good I agree (plus has an awesome flawless Vim plugin), > > but I now use RubyMine which is better (although the Vim plugin > > blows), but it''s not free though. > > > On Jul 6, 7:16 pm, Marnen Laibow-Koser <li...-fsXkhYbjdPsEEoCn2XhGlw@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > Bb Serviss wrote: > > > > I really liked "Simply Rails 2" by Patrick Lenz. It''s the only rails > > > > book where I went through all the code examples. > > > > I haven''t read that book, but based on all the technical errors in > > > another one of Patrick''s Rails books (Building Your Own RoR Web > > > Applications), I''d tend to steer well clear of any of his Rails writing. > > > > > As far as an IDE goes - I like Netbeans. You can code with a simple > > > > editor but nothing beats the view Netbeans gives you. > > > > NetBeans is a great IDE, but I do not believe it offers any advantage at > > > all for Rails development (I use it for other stuff). What do you mean > > > by "the view NetBeans gives you"? > > > > Best, > > > -- > > > Marnen Laibow-Koserhttp://www.marnen.org > > > mar...-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > -- > > > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org<rubyonrails-talk%2Bunsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. > >-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
I am currently reading this one: http://www.pragprog.com/titles/rails3/agile-web-development-with-rails-third-edition it helped me to build a webshop from totally 0! :) But as someone else also suggested, the 4th edition coming soon: http://www.pragprog.com/titles/rails4/agile-web-development-with-rails (they wrote in October, and they won''t be late I think!) and it is about Rails 3! :) It also helps me to get involved into this agile method. Also their other books are similar in this point, for example using Github is only 150 pages or like that, and extremely useful, alos for a beginner like me, absolutely understandable! Best wishes, hope you also share your opininon /advice what to read! thx, gezope On júl. 6, 09:41, Angel Robert Marquez <angel.marq...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> http://apress.com/book/view/9781590597811 > > I acquired this book and it has the info I thought I wanted; but, I''m not > sure. > > Is there something better more current out there? RESTful oath openid etc.. > > I''m coming from a wordpress to cake, codeigniter tinkering and forget why I > tried rails; but, it seems pretty cool and intuitive. > > Appreciate the Capistrano rec prior. Super good, like a dream come true. Was > able to deploy wp with it. > > Also > > Would you all recommend aptana radRails? > > I''m using vim & gEdit..they seem fitting. > > Thoughts please. > > Thank you.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Ginty wrote:> Sorry but the advice to "don''t use an IDE because Rails doesn''t need > one" is as dated as this book.I try an IDE for Rails about once a year -- precisely so I don''t get stuck on dated advice. Inevitably, I go back to KomodoEdit. I use NetBeans for JRuby/Monkeybars development. I love it for that, but it is completely inappropriate for Rails work.> > Today''s IDEs give you significant advantages over a text editor, to > name but a few: > > Visual debugging.Doesn''t seem to work in NetBeans.> No Rails configuration required, already understands the Rails > structure for easy navigation.That''s one of the few things I miss about Aptana, but it''s not a big enough advantage to put up with the rest.> Integration with Rspec et al; run tests with a click, visual debug > again, etc.I run tests with *no* clicks (with autospec in the shell). I don''t need an IDE for that.> Integration with Git; browse your changes, 1-click to diff, etc.NetBeans'' Git plugin is great (except for some annoying bugs), but except for the cute mouseover diffs, Komodo + GitX is at least as good a combination.> > Netbeans is good I agree (plus has an awesome flawless Vim plugin), > but I now use RubyMine which is better (although the Vim plugin > blows), but it''s not free though.I won''t pay for a text editor or an IDE. There are so many good free tools that it seems silly. Best, -- Marnen Laibow-Koser http://www.marnen.org marnen-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
About RadRails: Why should I spend my time with syntax controlling, checking, if I should spend my time with the customer? I think it is agile attitude, right? :) I use RadRails as an Eclipse plugin (for free), and it helps a lot! Mostly if you are not a real expert, many helpful features, text high- lighting. Maybe basic stuff, but also terminal, project viewer included, so I do not need to change the window 4 times if I change a little chunk of code, or I do not miss to restart the server... Later it will help me in refactoring, if I need, and many other little stuff. It was a good choice I must say! But: I also tried NetBeans, and its Rails plugin. The same, I think that is also terrific! :) Give them a try, these are free, and never believe those, who wants to work too much! ;) gezope On júl. 6, 09:41, Angel Robert Marquez <angel.marq...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> http://apress.com/book/view/9781590597811 > > I acquired this book and it has the info I thought I wanted; but, I''m not > sure. > > Is there something better more current out there? RESTful oath openid etc.. > > I''m coming from a wordpress to cake, codeigniter tinkering and forget why I > tried rails; but, it seems pretty cool and intuitive. > > Appreciate the Capistrano rec prior. Super good, like a dream come true. Was > able to deploy wp with it. > > Also > > Would you all recommend aptana radRails? > > I''m using vim & gEdit..they seem fitting. > > Thoughts please. > > Thank you.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Zoltan Gero wrote:> About RadRails: > > Why should I spend my time with syntax controlling, checking, if I > should spend my time with the customer? I think it is agile attitude, > right? :)Any good editor does syntax highlighting and project viewing. You don''t need an IDE to get those features.>Best, -- Marnen Laibow-Koser http://www.marnen.org marnen-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org Sent from my iPhone -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
On 7 July 2010 04:35, Marnen Laibow-Koser <lists-fsXkhYbjdPsEEoCn2XhGlw@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Ginty wrote: >> Visual debugging. > > Doesn''t seem to work in NetBeans.-1 Yes it does (in mine at least - Netbeans 6.8 on Ubuntu 9.04, 10.04 and WindowsXP). IIRC You need to install the "fast debugger" and set a couple of properties on the project, but then you have the ease of breakpoints (including conditional breakpoints) and all the other standard visual debugging tools (apart from an "immediates" window to evaluate expressions on the fly, but you can fudge that in the main code window...). The only apparent absence is "break on exception", although the Netbeans release notes say it''s in there, I''ve never gotten it working with Ruby. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
> I won''t pay for a text editor or an IDE. There are so many good free > tools that it seems silly. >I have never found anything that beats TextMate... -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
On 07 Jul 2010, at 11:30, Fernando Perez wrote:>> I won''t pay for a text editor or an IDE. There are so many good free >> tools that it seems silly. >> > I have never found anything that beats TextMate...Exactly. If TextMate is the tool that works for you (and you can try it out for 30 days) and makes you more productive and more comfortable at your job, not willing to spend $50 is just foolish to say the least. I bought a license with my own money, not one that the company I work for paid, simply because it''s a very good tool and I didn''t enjoy the other ones I tried (and I tried a lot of them). If you''re going to develop Rails apps and get paid for it, not willing to spend $50 on a productivity tool... what are you thinking? Best regards Peter De Berdt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
On 7 July 2010 11:55, Peter De Berdt <peter.de.berdt-LPO8gxj9N8aZIoH1IeqzKA@public.gmane.org> wrote:> If TextMate is the tool that works for you , not > willing to spend $50 is just foolish to say the least.But if it isn''t the tool that works for you, then it''s foolish to pay $50 for it. Arguing over "which text editor is best" is like arguing over "who''s wife is most beautiful"... and disagreeing with someone else''s opinion is almost as rude ;-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
On 07 Jul 2010, at 13:10, Michael Pavling wrote:>> If TextMate is the tool that works for you , not >> willing to spend $50 is just foolish to say the least. > > But if it isn''t the tool that works for you, then it''s foolish to pay > $50 for it. > > Arguing over "which text editor is best" is like arguing over "who''s > wife is most beautiful"... and disagreeing with someone else''s opinion > is almost as rude ;-)Agreed, I was more trying to point out that discarding a tool just because it costs money is not a right mindset (especially considering its price). I didn''t say there weren''t any other tools (free or not) available that might be someone else''s cup of tea. A former collegue of mine swears by Eclipse, but hey, I don''t understand his choice of women either :-D Joking aside, you should first look at the tool and how well it works for you and afterwards take money into consideration. Best regards Peter De Berdt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
I agree with Peter. I''ve tried a lot of editors, and TextMate is definitely my editor of choice. It has a lot of bundles for almost any language or task you could imagine, and it''s easy to customize those bundles. I''ve paid it with my own money, too. It''s worth every cent of its price. On Jul 7, 11:55 am, Peter De Berdt <peter.de.be...-LPO8gxj9N8aZIoH1IeqzKA@public.gmane.org> wrote:> On 07 Jul 2010, at 11:30, Fernando Perez wrote: > > >> I won''t pay for a text editor or an IDE. There are so many good free > >> tools that it seems silly. > > > I have never found anything that beats TextMate... > > Exactly. > > If TextMate is the tool that works for you (and you can try it out for > 30 days) and makes you more productive and more comfortable at your > job, not willing to spend $50 is just foolish to say the least. I > bought a license with my own money, not one that the company I work > for paid, simply because it''s a very good tool and I didn''t enjoy the > other ones I tried (and I tried a lot of them). If you''re going to > develop Rails apps and get paid for it, not willing to spend $50 on a > productivity tool... what are you thinking? > > Best regards > > Peter De Berdt-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Michael Pavling wrote:> On 7 July 2010 11:55, Peter De Berdt <peter.de.berdt-LPO8gxj9N8aZIoH1IeqzKA@public.gmane.org> wrote: >> If TextMate is the tool that works for you , not >> willing to spend $50 is just foolish to say the least. > > But if it isn''t the tool that works for you, then it''s foolish to pay > $50 for it.Exactly. My job gave me a copy of TextMate. I think I used it for one session, then went back to KomodoEdit. I certainly don''t see it as being worth $50 for the way I work. However, knowing that NetBeans has now got visual Ruby debugging inspires me to give it another try for Rails at some point. I still don''t think that Rails benefits from its heavy IDE nature, but visual debugging and the Git plugin might be a good combination if both work. Except...while writing this, I just found out that NB (like Eclipse) *still* doesn''t have word wrap in 6.9, even though it was promised. Generally speaking, I don''t like to work in an editor without word wrap. Back to Komodo, I suppose. Oy. Best, -- Marnen Laibow-koser http://www.marnen.org marnen-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
On 7 July 2010 15:30, Marnen Laibow-Koser <lists-fsXkhYbjdPsEEoCn2XhGlw@public.gmane.org> wrote:> visual debugging and the Git plugin might be a good combination if both work.The Git plugin was a bit poor when I used it last (six months ago now...). But the Mercurial plugin works just fine for me!> Except...while writing this, I just found out that NB (like Eclipse) > *still* doesn''t have word wrap in 6.9, even though it was promised. > Generally speaking, I don''t like to work in an editor without word wrap. > Back to Komodo, I suppose. Oy.See... it''s horses for courses... I *hate* word-wrapping! And turn it off on any editor I can :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Michael Pavling wrote:> On 7 July 2010 15:30, Marnen Laibow-Koser <lists-fsXkhYbjdPsEEoCn2XhGlw@public.gmane.org> wrote: >> visual debugging and the Git plugin might be a good combination if both work. > > The Git plugin was a bit poor when I used it last (six months ago > now...). But the Mercurial plugin works just fine for me! > >> Except...while writing this, I just found out that NB (like Eclipse) >> *still* doesn''t have word wrap in 6.9, even though it was promised. >> Generally speaking, I don''t like to work in an editor without word wrap. >> Back to Komodo, I suppose. �Oy. > > See... it''s horses for courses...That''s actually not what the phrase means; it means more like "use the right tool for the job at hand". :)> I *hate* word-wrapping! And turn it > off on any editor I can :-)My goodness, why? It''s long been a tenet of user interface design that any interface that requires horizontal scrolling of text probably needs to be redesigned. I do occasionally write and read long lines of code, and it''s essential to me to not have to lose context by scrolling horizontally. (Granted, it doesn''t happen often in Ruby since the syntax is so terse, but when I need it, I *really* need it.) Anyway, we''re going way off topic here, so I probably shouldn''t go on. Best, -- Marnen Laibow-Koser http://www.marnen.org marnen-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
On 7 July 2010 16:02, Marnen Laibow-Koser <lists-fsXkhYbjdPsEEoCn2XhGlw@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Michael Pavling wrote: >> See... it''s horses for courses... > > That''s actually not what the phrase means; it means more like "use the > right tool for the job at hand". :)This is the meaning I''d apply to it... http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/idioms/horses+for+courses.html ...and that''s the sentiment I used it with.>> I *hate* word-wrapping! And turn it >> off on any editor I can :-) > > My goodness, why? > I do occasionally write and read long lines of code, > and it''s essential to me to not have to lose context by scrolling > horizontally.For me, I "lose context" when the next "line" is actually a continuation of the previous. Of course, I avoid long lines where possible (refactor and rewrite to get rid of them), but where I come across them (for instance looking at a CSV) I want no wrapping! :-)> Anyway, we''re going way off topic here, so I probably shouldn''t go on.True enough... back to the grind. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
You raised a good enough point that I can''t resist one more reply. :) Michael Pavling wrote: [...]>> My goodness, why? >> I do occasionally write and read long lines of code, >> and it''s essential to me to not have to lose context by scrolling >> horizontally. > > For me, I "lose context" when the next "line" is actually a > continuation of the previous. Of course, I avoid long lines where > possible (refactor and rewrite to get rid of them),Right. At the same time, if the clearest form of an expression is wider than my screen, I''m not going to worry too much about rewriting it just to have short lines.> but where I come > across them (for instance looking at a CSV) I want no wrapping! :-)Ah, now that''s an interesting point. For CSV, I''d often agree with you -- tabular data should probably be presented at full width. (Though for quickly viewing a CSV file, I''d be inclined to use a spreadsheet or something to put it into tabular form, so I probably wouldn''t be doing much examination of it in a text editor in the first place.) However, source code feels to me more like running text. When I''m reading English text on a Web page, I don''t want my reading flow broken by scrolling back and forth. The same is true for me for source code. In KomodoEdit, we can each choose the word-wrapping setting we like -- it''s a configurable option. But in NetBeans, I have no choice but to scroll left and right. The developers keep promising word wrap in the next version, and keep breaking their promise (even though it''s a priority 1 issue on their tracker!). It''s a frustrating stupidity in an otherwise good IDE. Best, -- Marnen Laibow-Koser http://www.marnen.org marnen-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Every book is likely to contain some errors, most will have forums where you can ask questions of the subject material as well. Netbeans has everything I need. The side panes which show the project structure and page elements which make not only navigating, but understanding, the project easier. The code completion rocks and really helps when editing html templates and css files as I try and do as little html as possible. On Jul 6, 8:16 pm, Marnen Laibow-Koser <li...-fsXkhYbjdPsEEoCn2XhGlw@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Bb Serviss wrote: > > I really liked "Simply Rails 2" by Patrick Lenz. It''s the only rails > > book where I went through all the code examples. > > I haven''t read that book, but based on all the technical errors in > another one of Patrick''s Rails books (Building Your Own RoR Web > Applications), I''d tend to steer well clear of any of his Rails writing. > > > > > As far as an IDE goes - I like Netbeans. You can code with a simple > > editor but nothing beats the view Netbeans gives you. > > NetBeans is a great IDE, but I do not believe it offers any advantage at > all for Rails development (I use it for other stuff). What do you mean > by "the view NetBeans gives you"? > > Best, > -- > Marnen Laibow-Koserhttp://www.marnen.org > mar...-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org > > Sent from my iPhone > -- > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.